The Dragon, Origination of Demons, What Transgression of Satan Was, and the Story of Fallen Angels

[amadeus]

AMEN @amadeus - I come here for fellowship and learning, to support and to be supported. Prayer is IMHO the most powerful gift God has given us and if used in faith, as Gods will be done, we just need trust that He has the best of the best for His children ♥ BTW- any news from the Dr.'s office yet??

No, no news at all. Since we trust this doctor more than all of our others, we suspect either it is a staff problem or something had happened to the doctor. His practice is more important to him as are the people he treats. But... he is about my age and pushes himself to the limit and beyond. We are praying for him.

In the interim, we made our 3rd phone call to his office on Wednesday [9-5] whereas the CT scan was done the previous Tuesday [8-28]. Again our primary message was recorded on a machine. Maybe we will hear something today. It is still early AM here.

 

[Nancy]

No, no news at all. Since we trust this doctor more than all of our others, we suspect either it is a staff problem or something had happened to the doctor. His practice is more important to him as are the people he treats. But... he is about my age and pushes himself to the limit and beyond. We are praying for him.

In the interim, we made our 3rd phone call to his office on Wednesday [9-5] whereas the CT scan was done the previous Tuesday [8-28]. Again our primary message was recorded on a machine. Maybe we will hear something today. It is still early AM here.

Wow, that's pretty bad practice on the part of the medical community. I suppose I am quite blessed to live near many different options for care, and as I worked in one of the, if not THE largest Healthcare network in the area-have met many Doctors, nurses etc...and patients LOVE to talk about their docs, lol. But, I never wait more than a day or two and sometimes the same day-my calls do get returned. My hope and prayer for you and your wife are, that no news is good news. Praise God!

 

[amadeus]

Wow, that's pretty bad practice on the part of the medical community. I suppose I am quite blessed to live near many different options for care, and as I worked in one of the, if not THE largest Healthcare network in the area-have met many Doctors, nurses etc...and patients LOVE to talk about their docs, lol. But, I never wait more than a day or two and sometimes the same day-my calls do get returned. My hope and prayer for you and your wife are, that no news is good news. Praise God!

Thank you!

What is the norm for you on call backs is usually also the norm for us. Whatever the reason this is unusual. This man has been our pulmonologist since about 1989 when he diagnosed my wife's asthma. Not long after that he diagnosed my sleep apnea. We have told him that he cannot retire and he cannot die because he is irreplaceable. We were joking of course, but the point is we wouldn't want to change doctors.

I have lost track of how many times we had to change our GP because he either quit or moved to a big city to make more money.

I am on my third cardiologist because the first one refused to admit that my problem was in his specialty [it was and is], and the second one overbooked so heavily it was impossible for him to keep track of anything. Waiting not less than 2 hours to see him for a scheduled appointment every time was foolishness. My present cardiologist properly identified the problem and admits he cannot fix it but he helps me to minimize the worst symptoms. There are doctors and there are doctors. Fortunately we rely on the Great Physician to get past many of these seemingly unsolvable troubles.

Give God the glory!

 

[Nancy]

Thank you!

What is the norm for you on call backs is usually also the norm for us. Whatever the reason this is unusual. This man has been our pulmonologist since about 1989 when he diagnosed my wife's asthma. Not long after that he diagnosed my sleep apnea. We have told him that he cannot retire and he cannot die because he is irreplaceable. We were joking of course, but the point is we wouldn't want to change doctors.

I have lost track of how many times we had to change our GP because he either quit or moved to a big city to make more money.

I am on my third cardiologist because the first one refused to admit that my problem was in his specialty [it was and is], and the second one overbooked so heavily it was impossible for him to keep track of anything. Waiting not less than 2 hours to see him for a scheduled appointment every time was foolishness. My present cardiologist properly identified the problem and admits he cannot fix it but he helps me to minimize the worst symptoms. There are doctors and there are doctors. Fortunately we rely on the Great Physician to get past many of these seemingly unsolvable troubles.

Give God the glory!

"Fortunately we rely on the Great Physician to get past many of these seemingly unsolvable troubles." <---And, that brings me peace. I no longer fret in the slightest when I bring my vehicle in for repair ♥ And, yes indeed, there are doctors, and there are "doctors". Money and prestige seem to have taken over for some time now.

 

[amadeus]

"Fortunately we rely on the Great Physician to get past many of these seemingly unsolvable troubles." <---And, that brings me peace. I no longer fret in the slightest when I bring my vehicle in for repair ♥ And, yes indeed, there are doctors, and there are "doctors". Money and prestige seem to have taken over for some time now.

Since posting #41 and #43 on this thread my wife received a phone call. I am going to the prayer thread for my wife to provide an update.

 

[biloqewu]

I am sorry, I did not make your study more precise, I corrected a misunderstanding that you had assumed was correct but had in fact made an error in your assumptions with resect to the chronological record of the Patriarchs year of birth.

As to the presumption that your study is precise, is questionable, to say the least. Are all of your assumptions precisely correct?

I do not believe so. The order of the Bowl judgements are recorded in Revelation 16 in the reverse order to which they unfold within the timeline of man. It seems to me that John was taken to the end of the timeline and then "walked" so to speak back along the timeline to the beginning of the Bowl Judgements occurring. His journey back along the time line was over 2,500 year to the time that the Euphrates River, symbology for the Baal Religion, began to dry up to be replaced by another.

The evidence to support this understanding is actually found in the record of what happens during each of the Bowl Judgements and the time stamp of when the Bowl Judgements occur.

Your arrogance in believing/assuming that you have the precise interpretation of the order of the Bowl Judgements in the right order is why your Blog in this case is not precise but is in effect another error on your part in the interpretation of the scriptures.

In you arrogance, you are telling me that I am in error but you have not provided the proof that will back up you fanciful assumption that what you believe is precise, or to look at it another way, that my understanding of the Bowl Judgement order of them occurring, is in error.

Oh well, I can tell you once, I can tell you a number of times, but if you will not listen or ask then there is little more that I can do to help correct your ignorance in this matter.

Have a good day now, you hear me.

Did it not occur to you that there was a reason why the plagues of Egypt occurred, which were literal plagues within short time of each other, to foreshadow greater plagues that are still to come? How will the world be impressed by God if God is not able to deliver the plagues he said he would deliver against all the cities of the world, if everything is just figurative language? It is because of your lack of belief that you do not believe that the plagues of Revelation are not literal, and cannot accept a simple teaching correlating the festivals of the Torah to those events, which we can clearly see that festivals of Torah did indeed correlate with the events of the first coming of Yeshuah, so it so such a far stretch in the imagination that they would also correlate with the second coming of Yeshuah, seeing that Yeshuah has yet to fulfill those festivals? I am not incorrect in these matters. Believe, or do not believe. Soon enough you will see I was right, but it is better to know now than to be caught up unawares in whats coming.

 

[Jay Ross]

Did it not occur to you that there was a reason why the plagues of Egypt occurred, which were literal plagues within short time of each other, to foreshadow greater plagues that are still to come? How will the world be impressed by God if God is not able to deliver the plagues he said he would deliver against all the cities of the world, if everything is just figurative language? It is because of your lack of belief that you do not believe that the plagues of Revelation are not literal, and cannot accept a simple teaching correlating the festivals of the Torah to those events, which we can clearly see that festivals of Torah did indeed correlate with the events of the first coming of Yeshuah, so it so such a far stretch in the imagination that they would also correlate with the second coming of Yeshuah, seeing that Yeshuah has yet to fulfill those festivals? I am not incorrect in these matters. Believe, or do not believe. Soon enough you will see I was right, but it is better to know now than to be caught up unawares in what is coming.

Revelation. 16:19: - The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered great Babylon, to make her drain the cup of the fury of his wrath.

History reveals that around 1922, the Land of the Chaldeans was remembered once more by the world and the Nation of Iraq was created over the land of the Chaldeans and this included Babylon the city.

Mandatory Iraq - Wikipedia might prove an interesting history lesson as to when the land of the Chadeans was remembered once more.

A history of Jerusalem as found here Jerusalem - Wikipedia is also a good read as it details how Jerusalem was divided and administrated and in 1948 partitioned.

I believe that Rev. 16:19 is confirmed in the above two links.

Oh the cities of the nations all fell during WW1, if my memory serves me correctly.

Yes, I believe that I have a fairly good handle on what is unfolding at the moment.

Recent History is now showing that certain portions of the sixth Bowl Judgement is also unfolding at this present time.

As for your theory that the Festivals will playing a role in the End time events, is something that I believe is a grasping at strays attempt by people to explain what is happening.

A thousand years is as a day unto the Lord, I question based on my understanding of the Chronology of the Scriptures. But as I have previously suggested, we will know the answer as to the validity of your theory within 8 years according to what you have posted above.

Now have a good day, now.

 

[biloqewu]

Revelation. 16:19: - The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered great Babylon, to make her drain the cup of the fury of his wrath.

History reveals that around 1922, the Land of the Chaldeans was remembered once more by the world and the Nation of Iraq was created over the land of the Chaldeans and this included Babylon the city.

Mandatory Iraq - Wikipedia might prove an interesting history lesson as to when the land of the Chadeans was remembered once more.

A history of Jerusalem as found here Jerusalem - Wikipedia is also a good read as it details how Jerusalem was divided and administrated and in 1948 partitioned.

I believe that Rev. 16:19 is confirmed in the above two links.

Oh the cities of the nations all fell during WW1, if my memory serves me correctly.

Yes, I believe that I have a fairly good handle on what is unfolding at the moment.

Recent History is now showing that certain portions of the sixth Bowl Judgement is also unfolding at this present time.

As for your theory that the Festivals will playing a role in the End time events, is something that I believe is a grasping at strays attempt by people to explain what is happening.

A thousand years is as a day unto the Lord, I question based on my understanding of the Chronology of the Scriptures. But as I have previously suggested, we will know the answer as to the validity of your theory within 8 years according to what you have posted above.

Now have a good day, now.

Surely you must be joking. Was the destruction of world war 1 caused by earthquakes or by man made weapons? How do wars among men reveal the power of God, if man has risen against man from the very beginning? A "plague" is a power that is brought on by God, not by man, so that by the power that is brought, man may say, "surely this is the finger of God bringing this", and in that way, God is glorified, and also feared. Just as it was in the days of Egypt, God has determined to bring plagues upon the entire earth, so through his power, all nations may be in dread of him, and be broken like pottery, so that they may then be ruled over by the people of God. This is the truth, believe this or believe your worthless lies that make the power of God revealed in book of Revelation out to be mere ordinary events of man.

 

[Jay Ross]

Surely, you must be joking. Was the destruction of world war 1 caused by earthquakes or by manmade weapons? How do wars among men reveal the power of God, if man has risen against man from the very beginning? A "plague" is a power that is brought on by God, not by man, so that by the power that is brought, man may say, "surely this is the finger of God bringing this", and in that way, God is glorified, and also feared. Just as it was in the days of Egypt, God has determined to bring plagues upon the entire earth, so through his power, all nations may be in dread of him, and be broken like pottery, so that they may then be ruled over by the people of God. This is the truth, believe this or believe your worthless lies that make the power of God revealed in book of Revelation out to be mere ordinary events of man.

I am sorry that I have presented something different to your understanding. I too once, was looking for earthquakes to hang my theories off as the signpost for the end times, but when the translators gave two different meaning to the same Greek word in the New Testament, I had to ask the question, "How was this possible?"

In 2001, after the 9/11 signs and wonders event, of Revelation_16:12-16, I realised that the observable outcomes confirmed the prophesies of the three foul and wicked frog like spirits that went out from the mouth of the Dragon, the false prophet and the beast had occurred. The indications were the outcomes of the prophecy being fulfilled after they had gone out, like, all of the world seeing the unfolding events as they unfolded, and the world all gathering together in their living rooms to watch their TV's as the second tower was struck by the second plane over New York. The next sign that confirmed that the Revelation_16:12-16 was still unfolding was the beginning of the process by the USA President at that time to gather all of the nations together to act in unity against a perceived threat to the global community.

The sign given, as described in Daniel_7:7-12 is of the Little Horn, i.e. the false prophet of Revelations, in conjunction with the people inhabiting the dominion of the fourth Beast, speaking out pompous words against God, telling the whole world that Allah was a stronger god than the Jewish or Christian God at this present time.

So, looking at the outcomes of the Bowl Judgements, I was able to perceive that the 7th Bowl Judgement began around 100 years ago during the time of great turmoil around the world which had not been seen up to and until that time.

I was also able to perceive that the 6th Bowl Judgement had begun around 1400 or so years ago after Christianity had for all but overtaken the Baal worship around the Euphrates River and in effect had caused the Baal Religion, symbolised as the Euphrates River, to dry up. In place of the Baal religion along the Euphrates River we now have the Islamic religion which is the highway for the three kings on the eastern side of the Euphrates River to be able to march in the future into Jerusalem.

The final sign in this prophecy is the gathering of the Nation in the valley of decision, i.e. at Armageddon and that is still a near future event that will occur in around 20-30 years from now when the end of this present Age will occur.

Now you can call what I have posted, "worthless lies," but when God demonstrated His power to both the Northern and Southern Kingdoms, God used the might of earthly kingdoms/armies to pour out His wrath against them. God has also used the plagues of Egypt to punish the banished and scattered nation of the Israelites where they are presently living as He informed them He would in the Holiness Code found in both Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

God's finger heralded the arrival of the Meds and the Persians when they drained the river flowing through the city of Babylon and over powered the city. God's power and fulfilment of prophecy was demonstrated through the marching armies of man, fulfilling His purposes throughout the history of Mankind.

Perhaps, it is time for you to become reflective and reconsider the “truth” in your developed theories as to How God Will demonstrate His Power among the Nations.

Shalom

 

[justbyfaith]

"Woman!!!!!" ??? Just who do you think you are, Biloqewu? Face-to-Face with many of the men on here, THAT remark could cost you some teeth.

Jesus called His own mother, "Woman..." (John 2:4). Would you have sought to break some of Jesus' teeth in witnessing that event in scripture?

In those days, to most people around Him, it was not known to them that He was the Son of God.

So you can't use the excuse that you wouldn't have attacked Him because He was God.

Jesus said, Inasmuch as you do it to one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me.

The Lord Jesus Christ is our example (1 Peter 2:21-22). And He didn't sin when He called His own mother, "Woman..."

 

[justbyfaith]

The blog didn't really keep my interest either...because I'm not sure it lines up perfectly with biblical doctrine...and I don't want to be deceived by extra-biblical material.

 

[Willie T]

Jesus called His own mother, "Woman..." (John 2:4). Would you have sought to break some of Jesus' teeth in witnessing that event in scripture?

In those days, to most people around Him, it was not known to them that He was the Son of God.

So you can't use the excuse that you wouldn't have attacked Him because He was God.

Jesus said, Inasmuch as you do it to one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me.

The Lord Jesus Christ is our example (1 Peter 2:21-22). And He didn't sin when He called His own mother, "Woman..."

Oh, be sensible. It is not the precise "word" used. It is the intent. And today, when a man calls out a woman with that specific term, he intends something a lot different than what Jesus did those times he directly referred to His mother as "Woman."

 

[justbyfaith]

Oh, be sensible. It is not the precise "word" used. It is the intent. And today, when a man calls out a woman with that specific term, he intends something a lot different than what Jesus did those times he directly referred to His mother as "Woman."

What does he intend?

 

[Willie T]

What does he intend?

Have you read the entire exchange, in context, so that you understand that particular post?

 

[justbyfaith]

The "entire exchange", as far as I can see it, was:

Being here since 2010... I have read many here don't click onto links...just sayin'...if
you want to place a couple of choice paragraphs it would be great. Thanks.:)
Happy Holiday weekend.

Yes, totally agree.
I always think when I read this kind of opening post.

Either say what you have to say...or don't bother to post a lazy post.

Woman, if I could paste the entire content of the study here I would, but I cannot, because there is a limit on here. The entire study is needed to understand the whole picture conveyed about the fall of angels. If you don't want to read, simply because it was put as a link, or because it's too long, well then.... don't read. But you're doing yourself a disfavor.

It seems to me like they were being a little (tiny) bit rude to him from what I can see.

Unless there is more to the "exchange" in other threads...

 

[Willie T]

And you honestly see nothing more than just a simple exchange of words? Well, if you don't, then maybe it will take years more of living for you to see what happened there.

BTW, Post #6 will show you a lot of his internal reaction to first, her post concerning something he is obviously passionate about, and secondly, a further agreement by yet another female.... and one who called his approach "lazy."

The truth is seen in not necessarily just the words on a page, but the often wounded emotions of the heart that posted them.

 

[justbyfaith]

It could have been avoided if the females in question had been more Christ-like and not insulted him so that his emotions were wounded.

In my next years of living, I don't think I am going to put a lot of focus on something as insignificant as some disagreement between people on the internet, whom I have never really met.

But I will take a look at post #6.

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't like it when other people complain, myself! Do you?

 

[Willie T]

It could have been avoided if the females in question had been more Christ-like and not insulted him so that his emotions were wounded.

In my next years of living, I don't think I am going to put a lot of focus on something as insignificant as some disagreement between people on the internet, whom I have never really met.

But I will take a look at post #6.

Are the others here insignificant to you? I don't think so. They shouldn't be, and neither should their relationships be.

 

[Willie T]

I don't like it when other people complain, myself! Do you?

Actually, "Yes", I do. If that never happened in my classes, I would have quit that work a long time ago. It is often in "complaints" that the heart truly speaks.