The Dragon, Origination of Demons, What Transgression of Satan Was, and the Story of Fallen Angels

[amadeus]

If I wanted to be popular, I would use my skills as a software engineer and make an app, and make millions, or write a book, and make millions that way. I'm not on these forums to seek popularity, because it would be a poor choice to achieve that, if that were my true intention. I am here to seek like minded believers. I am here to spread the truth. I am here so that the truth may be found by people seeking for it on the internet, as I once sought after the truth in my own online searches to try to understand God when I was still still in my infancy in the knowledge of the Messiah. As such, the people on this forum, rather than delight in the zeal of a fellow believer for the Messiah, they reject him, they reproach him, because they cannot stand someone that is in the truth, that is contrary to everything they do and believe in. There is a deeper reason while the people of this forum are grumbling against me, and it has nothing to do with the way I speak, it has to do with them, and the hardness of their hearts.

But... do you not complain too much? If they people are as you say, why do you let yourself be pulled into an argument or why so you bother to answer them? Why not simply walk forward with God as He leads no matter what anyone else says or does?

Many of these people here have been here on this forum and other designated Christian forums for years. They have heard the messages and the self-proclaimed good words of dozens of newly arrived members too many times who had little of nothing from God to offer. Too often they have been burned when they only tried to express love and welcomes.

No, we should not allow ourselves to get weary in well doing , but we are still human and some of us have very serious problems of our own.

How is your heart? And how are your lungs? I am speaking of the physical now. You are 31 years old. One of the sisters who has responded to you on this thread is more than twice your age and has been serving God for longer than you have been alive. Have you even read her request for prayer on this forum? Or mine? Or those of others here? None of these simple requests for prayer even begin to approach the length of your 'Oh so important' writing about demons and satan. Try comforting and encouraging some of these in need of God's touch for a change instead coming here with a "poor me" attitude because someone did not take part of their valuable time to read according to your recommendation.

 

[biloqewu]

But... do you not complain too much? If they people are as you say, why do you let yourself be pulled into an argument or why so you bother to answer them? Why not simply walk forward with God as He leads no matter what anyone else says or does?

Many of these people here have been here on this forum and other designated Christian forums for years. They have heard the messages and the self-proclaimed good words of dozens of newly arrived members too many times who had little of nothing from God to offer. Too often they have been burned when they only tried to express love and welcomes.

No, we should not allow ourselves to get weary in well doing , but we are still human and some of us have very serious problems of our own.

How is your heart? And how are your lungs? I am speaking of the physical now. You are 31 years old. One of the sisters who has responded to you on this thread is more than twice your age and has been serving God for longer than you have been alive. Have you even read her request for prayer on this forum? Or mine? Or those of others here? None of these simple requests for prayer even begin to approach the length of your 'Oh so important' writing about demons and satan. Try comforting and encouraging some of these in need of God's touch for a change instead coming here with a "poor me" attitude because someone did not take part of their valuable time to read according to your recommendation.

Because the Law of God commands us to admonish our brother,

"'Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. (Leviticus 19:17)

So any believer who refuses to believe the truth will without a doubt be rebuked by me, just as the Law commands, and also what the apostles told us to do in regards to fellow believers that are in error.

 

[amadeus]

Because the Law of God commands us to admonish our brother,

"'Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. (Leviticus 19:17)

So any believer who refuses to believe the truth will without a doubt be rebuked by me, just as the Law commands, and also what the apostles told us to do in regards to fellow believers that are in error.

I won't contend with you on what is written in scripture. However, it is not an error to fail to read what you wrote or what you recommend. On the other hand, who is likely to please God, the priest and Levite who to moved to the other side of the road to avoid having to deal with a man in need, or the Samaritan who rendered aid and as he left said these words?

"And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee." Luke 10:35

And how was it that Jesus lived? In the written words of Paul do we not see it?

"Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others." Phil 2:3-4

Hopefully you are also praying for the physical as well as the spiritual needs of all of here.

 

[biloqewu]

I won't contend with you on what is written in scripture. However, it is not an error to fail to read what you wrote or what you recommend. On the other hand, who is likely to please God, the priest and Levite who to moved to the other side of the road to avoid having to deal with a man in need, or the Samaritan who rendered aid and as he left said these words?

"And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee." Luke 10:35

And how was it that Jesus lived? In the written words of Paul do we not see it?

"Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others." Phil 2:3-4

Hopefully you are also praying for the physical as well as the spiritual needs of all of here.

I wasn't admonishing them for not reading, I was admonishing them for complaining and grumbling, "oh I don't like the way you speak", "oh you called her woman", "oh you posted the a link, I don't like links", "oh you're here to teach us, I don't like that", "oh, you're not here to get to know us", "oh you're so rude", and yada yada yada, which are all grumblings and excuses because they essentially don't want to read, which is fine, don't read, but don't complain against me as if I've done evil to cause you not to read, you just don't want to read because you know there's going to be something there you're not going to like. The strife is caused by the complainers, not by the one giving the message of truth. You should be admonishing them, not me. I've said enough on this. Let us press this matter no further, and move forward in either discussing the study, or another matter, or just remaining silent.

 

[brakelite]

remaining silent.

 

[Jay Ross]

Checkout this study on what the transgression of Satan was that caused his fall, what the origination of demons is, what the serpent looked like, and the full story of fallen angels from beginning to end, read the full study here,

The Dragon, the Origination of Demons, What the Transgression of Satan Was, and the Story of Fallen Angels | Wisdom of God

I have not read this blog post beyond the first couple of paragraphs. I did look at what else you had posted to your blog and looked at another.

I was given some sound advice which I will share with you. Do other people want to know what I know about God and the scriptures?

The usual answer to this question is that they will have other interests that do not co-inside with what my interests are and, as such, they are not likely going to read what I might post unless I can hook them within the first paragraph or so.

In your link to your blog post on the Dragon, I was not hooked after reading the first couple of paragraph.

The one blog I did read through which was about 10 pages after I downloaded into Word and dropped the font size to 11 pts contained subject matter that I have had a passing interest in. In that Blog Post, I quickly found that no account was taken with the 12 months that the flood endured and Noah and his family were living within the ark during the whole duration of the flood. The other error was in your understanding of the time span covered within the Book of Judges account. It did not gel with the time span as recorded from when Israel left Egypt until the time that the foundation stone of Solomon's temple was laid, 480 years.

Because of these oversights on your part, that I found in the blog that you wanted readers on this sight to read, I doubt that I would now go back and read your post on the Dragon.

Publishing your own works is a difficult business and I know that others are not always interested in what I believe is a "brilliant study or research on my part. People will think otherwise. Know what I mean.

Shalom

 

[biloqewu]

I have not read this blog post beyond the first couple of paragraphs. I did look at what else you had posted to your blog and looked at another.

I was given some sound advice which I will share with you. Do other people want to know what I know about God and the scriptures?

The usual answer to this question is that they will have other interests that do not co-inside with what my interests are and, as such, they are not likely going to read what I might post unless I can hook them within the first paragraph or so.

In your link to your blog post on the Dragon, I was not hooked after reading the first couple of paragraph.

The one blog I did read through which was about 10 pages after I downloaded into Word and dropped the font size to 11 pts contained subject matter that I have had a passing interest in. In that Blog Post, I quickly found that no account was taken with the 12 months that the flood endured and Noah and his family were living within the ark during the whole duration of the flood. The other error was in your understanding of the time span covered within the Book of Judges account. It did not gel with the time span as recorded from when Israel left Egypt until the time that the foundation stone of Solomon's temple was laid, 480 years.

Because of these oversights on your part, that I found in the blog that you wanted readers on this sight to read, I doubt that I would now go back and read your post on the Dragon.

Publishing your own works is a difficult business and I know that others are not always interested in what I believe is a "brilliant study or research on my part. People will think otherwise. Know what I mean.

Shalom

Counting the timelines that happened from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah is difficult and also not important in deriving the current year, because we know all the surrounding timelines.

We know there are around 1,878 years from Adam to Terah, around 1,992 years from the anointing of Yeshuah to now, and around 1,000 years from the Year 6000 YB to the Year 7000 YB, which sums up to around 4,870 years that can be accounted for within the total of 7,000 years for this heaven and earth, which leaves around 2,130 years to account for in the last two remaining timelines to account for, from Terah to the anointing of Yeshuah, and from now to the Year 6000 YB, where if those 2,130 years are added to the Year 1878 YB of Terah, the latest year Yeshuah would’ve received the anointed would’ve been the Year 4008 YB, but since we know Yeshuah received the anointing in a Jubilee year, then the latest Jubilee year Yeshuah would’ve received the anointing within that timeline would’ve been around 8 years prior in the Year 4000 YB, where those 8 years are then subtracted from the 2,130 years left to account for, which yields around 2,122 years from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, where those last remaining 8 years are then added to the last remaining timeline that is left to account for, the timeline from now until the Year 6000, which would thus be around 8 years, and in this way, without having to try to count timelines that are difficult to count from Terah until the anointing of the Messiah, where some of those timelines overlapped, such as the coregencies of the kings of Judah, where a “coregency” is when two kings rule at the same time, we already know that around 2,122 years passed from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, and knowing exactly how the 2,122 years are distributed among the recorded timelines in the scriptures from Terah until the anointed of the Messiah is not as important, except obviously to count the major timelines from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah to verify that there are indeed approximately 2,122 years to account for, and throughout the study, I verified that time. So I am indeed correct, we are in the Year 5991 YB, and it will be 5992 YB in around 2 weeks in Tishrei 10, where I will be in Jerusalem.

 

[Jay Ross]

Counting the timelines that happened from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah is difficult and also not important in deriving the current year, because we know all the surrounding timelines.

We know there are around 1,878 years from Adam to Terah, around 1,992 years from the anointing of Yeshuah to now, and around 1,000 years from the Year 6000 YB to the Year 7000 YB, which sums up to around 4,870 years that can be accounted for within the total of 7,000 years for this heaven and earth, which leaves around 2,130 years to account for in the last two remaining timelines to account for, from Terah to the anointing of Yeshuah, and from now to the Year 6000 YB, where if those 2,130 years are added to the Year 1878 YB of Terah, the latest year Yeshuah would’ve received the anointed would’ve been the Year 4008 YB, but since we know Yeshuah received the anointing in a Jubilee year, then the latest Jubilee year Yeshuah would’ve received the anointing within that timeline would’ve been around 8 years prior in the Year 4000 YB, where those 8 years are then subtracted from the 2,130 years left to account for, which yields around 2,122 years from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, where those last remaining 8 years are then added to the last remaining timeline that is left to account for, the timeline from now until the Year 6000, which would thus be around 8 years, and in this way, without having to try to count timelines that are difficult to count from Terah until the anointing of the Messiah, where some of those timelines overlapped, such as the coregencies of the kings of Judah, where a “coregency” is when two kings rule at the same time, we already know that around 2,122 years passed from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, and knowing exactly how the 2,122 years are distributed among the recorded timelines in the scriptures from Terah until the anointed of the Messiah is not as important, except obviously to count the major timelines from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah to verify that there are indeed approximately 2,122 years to account for, and throughout the study, I verified that time. So I am indeed correct, we are in the Year 5991 YB, and it will be 5992 YB in around 2 weeks in Tishrei 10, where I will be in Jerusalem.

From my analysis of the Biblical Chronology, from the creation of Adam to the end of this age I have concluded that this time period will span around 6140 to 6150 solar years. I too can make the claims that I have verified that my conclusions to be fairly accurate. So if there is a difference of between 140 to 150 years between our conclusions, then perhaps both of us need to go back to the drawing board, so to speak, and recheck our logic with respect to what is actually recorded in the scriptures.

My understanding that the end of this present age will occur within the next 25 plus or minus say 4 to 5 years to allow for any errors that may have occurred in the establishment of the relativity of the present calendar with God's timeline.

You have, on the other hand, in one of your blog and restated above, that the end of the Sixth age/time period of God, that this will occur in around 8 years time. I just wonder how right you think you are.

I know that there are story telling errors that must be accounted for within the scriptures, and that we cannot make assumptions as to the importance of any particular person mentioned in the scriptures. Time may prove you right, that the end of the present age is very near, but some how I do not believe that it will.

Shalom

 

[biloqewu]

From my analysis of the Biblical Chronology, from the creation of Adam to the end of this age I have concluded that this time period will span around 6140 to 6150 solar years. I too can make the claims that I have verified that my conclusions to be fairly accurate. So if there is a difference of between 140 to 150 years between our conclusions, then perhaps both of us need to go back to the drawing board, so to speak, and recheck our logic with respect to what is actually recorded in the scriptures.

My understanding that the end of this present age will occur within the next 25 plus or minus say 4 to 5 years to allow for any errors that may have occurred in the establishment of the relativity of the present calendar with God's timeline.

You have, on the other hand, in one of your blog and restated above, that the end of the Sixth age/time period of God, that this will occur in around 8 years time. I just wonder how right you think you are.

I know that there are story telling errors that must be accounted for within the scriptures, and that we cannot make assumptions as to the importance of any particular person mentioned in the scriptures. Time may prove you right, that the end of the present age is very near, but some how I do not believe that it will.

Shalom

6140 to 6150 solar years seems to be an arbitrary number, not to mention the only valid year Yeshuah would return in that range of years would be the year 6150, because that is the only multiple of 50 in that range, because we know Yeshuah will return in a Jubilee year, and since Jubilees began in the beginning of creation, and happen every 50 years, then whatever year the Messiah returns must be a multiple of 50, which narrows down the year of his return to alot less possibilities. Even so, the technique I used for my calculation is to simply count all the surrounding timelines around the timelines that are difficult to count, which are the ones from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, which I surmise you attempted to do, and not just you, but also the Jews, which is why both you and also them reach such different numbers, because it is not the correct way to determine the current year since creation, because the timelines from Terah to anointing of the Messiah are very difficult to account for, mainly because of the coregencies of the kings of Judah, and other factors that will lead you to arrive at an imprecise number. The way I see it is this way, take for example if there were 8 hours alotted to interview 8 candidates. But let us say candidate 1 was interviewed for one hour, then candidate 2 was interviewed for 30 minutes, and then candidates 3 and 4 were interviewed at the same time for 1 hour and a half, and candidate 5 was interviewed for 2 hours, candidate 6 was interviewed for one hour, and candidate 7 and 8 were interviewed at the same time for the last two remaining hours. If you were to count the above durations for each of the 8 candidates, without knowledge of their concurrencies, then you would reach an imprecise number of 11.5 hours, which is not the 8 hours we know it take to interview all candidates. And this is precisely the problem the Jews, or even you run into when trying to count the number since creation using the timelines from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, because of the difficulty in knowing which timelines were concurrent, like the coregencies of the kings of Judah, and not even knowing what gaps there might also exist between timelines. Its just very difficult to arrive at a precise number doing it that way. So what I have done, is that instead of trying to count these difficult numbers, I counted all the surrounding timelines around this gap of time that we cannot account for with precision, to then derive a precise number of precisely how much time elapsed precisely for these timelines, without having to bother trying to go crazy counting the timelines. And then, all I have to do is count the major timelines, to merely just justify the number that I already reached using another technique. Its actually fairly simple to know what the current year since creation is, just having a few tidbits of knowledge. And although this may be very difficult for you to also understand, there is a very precise timeline God has appointed for this aeons of this earth. The Messiah won't just come at an insignificant number such as a Year 8394, he will arrive at a very precise year that corresponds to all the truths we know from the Torah, the Jubilee cycles and the Sabbaths, a Year 6000. The second coming of the Messiah will be the most significant event in the history of the world, so no doubt it will be at a very precise year, just as his anointing was also at a very precise year, the Year 4000.

 

[Jay Ross]

6140 to 6150 solar years seems to be an arbitrary number, not to mention the only valid year Yeshuah would return in that range of years would be the year 6150, because that is the only multiple of 50 in that range, because we know Yeshuah will return in a Jubilee year, and since Jubilees began in the beginning of creation, and happen every 50 years, then whatever year the Messiah returns must be a multiple of 50, which narrows down the year of his return to alot less possibilities. Even so, the technique I used for my calculation is to simply count all the surrounding timelines around the timelines that are difficult to count, which are the ones from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, which I surmise you attempted to do, and not just you, but also the Jews, which is why both you and also them reach such different numbers, because it is not the correct way to determine the current year since creation, because the timelines from Terah to anointing of the Messiah are very difficult to account for, mainly because of the coregencies of the kings of Judah, and other factors that will lead you to arrive at an imprecise number. The way I see it is this way, take for example if there were 8 hours alotted to interview 8 candidates. But let us say candidate 1 was interviewed for one hour, then candidate 2 was interviewed for 30 minutes, and then candidates 3 and 4 were interviewed at the same time for 1 hour and a half, and candidate 5 was interviewed for 2 hours, candidate 6 was interviewed for one hour, and candidate 7 and 8 were interviewed at the same time for the last two remaining hours. If you were to count the above durations for each of the 8 candidates, without knowledge of their concurrencies, then you would reach an imprecise number of 11.5 hours, which is not the 8 hours we know it take to interview all candidates. And this is precisely the problem the Jews, or even you run into when trying to count the number since creation using the timelines from Terah to the anointing of the Messiah, because of the difficulty in knowing which timelines were concurrent, like the coregencies of the kings of Judah, and not even knowing what gaps there might also exist between timelines. Its just very difficult to arrive at a precise number doing it that way. So what I have done, is that instead of trying to count these difficult numbers, I counted all the surrounding timelines around this gap of time that we cannot account for with precision, to then derive a precise number of precisely how much time elapsed precisely for these timelines, without having to bother trying to go crazy counting the timelines. And then, all I have to do is count the major timelines, to merely just justify the number that I already reached using another technique. Its actually fairly simple to know what the current year since creation is, just having a few tidbits of knowledge. And although this may be very difficult for you to also understand, there is a very precise timeline God has appointed for this aeons of this earth. The Messiah won't just come at an insignificant number such as a Year 8394, he will arrive at a very precise year that corresponds to all the truths we know from the Torah, the Jubilee cycles and the Sabbaths, a Year 6000. The second coming of the Messiah will be the most significant event in the history of the world, so no doubt it will be at a very precise year, just as his anointing was also at a very precise year, the Year 4000.

I will not go into precise details, but from one major event in the History of Israel before the nation was divided, because of heavy taxation to maintain the upkeep of the nation of Israel, to when the end of the present world, as we know it, ends, has been prophetically revealed in the scriptures in one prophecy written during/around the time of the Babylonian exile.

Another prophecy through the prophet Daniel has been given to suggest when this present age will end, but the starting point of this prophecy is somewhat shrouded in history and misconceptions.

God also provided a number of prophetic words which tell us when all of Israel will be redeemed in our near future, which also co-insides with when God intends to establish His everlasting Kingdom on the earth as well as give dominion to the Son of Man over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.

In all of these prophecies, Terah does not figure as an important signpost to the End times as you are suggesting.

Perhaps it would be good for you to reveal why you believe that Terah figures in establishing the End times timelines and why you have used Him as a lynch pin in your calculations.

Shalom

 

[biloqewu]

I will not go into precise details, but from one major event in the History of Israel before the nation was divided, because of heavy taxation to maintain the upkeep of the nation of Israel, to when the end of the present world, as we know it, ends, has been prophetically revealed in the scriptures in one prophecy written during/around the time of the Babylonian exile.

Another prophecy through the prophet Daniel has been given to suggest when this present age will end, but the starting point of this prophecy is somewhat shrouded in history and misconceptions.

God also provided a number of prophetic words which tell us when all of Israel will be redeemed in our near future, which also co-insides with when God intends to establish His everlasting Kingdom on the earth as well as give dominion to the Son of Man over all of the peoples of the earth such that they should worship Him.

In all of these prophecies, Terah does not figure as an important signpost to the End times as you are suggesting.

Perhaps it would be good for you to reveal why you believe that Terah figures in establishing the End times timelines and why you have used Him as a lynch pin in your calculations.

Shalom

I did not pick Terah because he relates in any way to the end times, I picked Terah because all the genealogies from Adam up until Terah are precise, meaning no assumptions have to be made to build a timeline up until Terah. Whereas beginning from Terah and onwards, then you have to begin making assumptions, such as, was Abraham his firstborn son or not? And as the genealogies and timelines carry on, then more assumptions have to be made. And those assumptions will alter a precise calculation of what the current year since the beginning is. So from Adam to Terah, there were precisely 1,878 years, without any doubts, and using that number, along with other precise lengths of time, then I arrived at a precise calculated year, using the technique I described to you in the former post. Next, you are indeed correct that the book of Daniel reveals all the times up until the very end of the aeon. In fact, the timelines of Daniel corroborate my calculated year 6000 YB to be 2026 AD in the timeframes of Daniel pertaining to the 1,290 years plus 1,335 years. If 1,290 years are added to to the first instance when sacrifices stopped in the temple, which would thus be around 600 BC, when King Jehoiakim was captured by the Babylonians and the temple articles were taken, which implies sacrifices stopped since the temple articles were no longer there,

Jehoiakim was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem eleven years. He did evil in the eyes of Yehovah his God. 6 Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon attacked him and bound him with bronze shackles to take him to Babylon. 7 Nebuchadnezzar also took to Babylon articles from the temple of Yehovah and put them in his temple there. (2 Chronicles 36:5-7 [NIV])

Then you reach around the year 691 AD, which was around the time the Dome of the Rock was built on the temple mount in Mount Moriah, thus fulfilling the abomination that would appear after the 1,290 years,

“From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. (Daniel 12:11 [NIV])

And when 1,335 are added to that year, and you reach 2026 AD which is the same precise year that would be the year 6000 YB according to my calculations,

Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. (Daniel 12:12 [NIV])

So even the timelines of Daniel corroborate my calculated year since creation. How much longer before you believe that I am right?

 

[Jay Ross]

I did not pick Terah because he relates in any way to the end times, I picked Terah because all the genealogies from Adam up until Terah are precise, meaning no assumptions have to be made to build a timeline up until Terah.

Yes, but you were not precise in your assumptions with respect to when the flood was over. You based you chronology of the patriarchs up to Terah on when the flood started, not on when the flood was over. If you had been precise, then you would have added one year to the year from Adam's creation as to when Terah's was born.

Whereas beginning from Terah and onwards, then you have to begin making assumptions, such as, was Abraham his firstborn son or not?

Yes, there are people who make that argument. But the year in which Terah died linked into the year that Sarah Died, gives us a pretty clear indication as to Terah's age when Abraham was born to Terah. Terah was 70 years old when Abraham was born.

And as the genealogies and timelines carry on, then more assumptions have to be made. And those assumptions will alter a precise calculation of what the current year since the beginning is.

Yes you have made a number of assumptions and one of those is that the Book of Judges is linear in its story line where as there are three distinct parallel story lines being described with the longest story line in the Book of Judges having a duration of around 220 years and not over 450 years if you add all of the time periods provided in the Book of Judges together. With that being said, there is an introduced error of around 230 years in your calculations.

I have already stated that there is a storytelling error that must be considered when considering a chronology of the Old Testament. The other consideration is that the time stamping of key events in the Biblical prophecy stories is not always precisely provided and the time stamp for these events must be deduced from the evidence provided.

Again, I have to only wait 8 or so years to find out if your theory is reasonably accurate.

I know that I always provide a range for any event to unfold in, because the different calendars are not precisely tied together, so that people can wait to see the key events unfolding to know where we are within God's time line.

That is why I suggest that the end of this present age is still around 20-30 years from now.

I also know that the prophecy given in Revelation 16:17-21 has already unfolded and that this occurred around 100 years ago.

I also know that Revelation 16:12-16 is still being fulfilled at this present time and that it will conclude at the end of this age just as the Daniel. 8 2,300 years prophecy will also end at the end of this age.

But, time will reveal the truth of what I am posting here. I know that I cannot precisely state that in the year, abcd, that the end of this age will occur. I must qualify the year range in which I believe it will happen.

Again, if there is an error in our understanding and assumptions then that error undermines what we write. I have demonstrated two error that you have made.

We will have to wait the 8 or so years for that confirmation.

Shalom

 

[biloqewu]

Yes, but you were not precise in your assumptions with respect to when the flood was over. You based you chronology of the patriarchs up to Terah on when the flood started, not on when the flood was over. If you had been precise, then you would have added one year to the year from Adam's creation as to when Terah's was born.



Yes, there are people who make that argument. But the year in which Terah died linked into the year that Sarah Died, gives us a pretty clear indication as to Terah's age when Abraham was born to Terah. Terah was 70 years old when Abraham was born.



Yes you have made a number of assumptions and one of those is that the Book of Judges is linear in its story line where as there are three distinct parallel story lines being described with the longest story line in the Book of Judges having a duration of around 220 years and not over 450 years if you age all of the time periods provided in the Book of Judges together. With that being said, there is an introduced error of around 230 years in your calculations.

I have already stated that there is a storytelling error that must be considered when considering a chronology of the Old Testament. The other consideration is that the time stamping of key events in the Biblical prophecy stories is not always precisely provided and the time stamp for these events must be deduced from the evidence provided.

Again, I have to only wait 8 or so years to find out if your theory is reasonably accurate.

I know that I always provide a range for any event to unfold in, because the different calendars are not precisely tied together, so that people can wait to see the key events unfolding to know where we are within God's time line.

That is why I suggest that the end of this present age is still around 20-30 years from now.

I also know that the prophecy given in Revelation 16:17-21 has already unfolded and that this occurred around 100 years ago.

I also know that Revelation 16:12-16 is still being fulfilled at this present time and that it will conclude at the end of this age just ad the Daniel. 8 2,300 years prophecy will also end at the end of this age.

But, time will reveal the truth of what I am posting here. I know that I cannot precisely state that in the year, abcd, that the end of this age will occur. I must qualify the year range in which I believe it will happen.

Again, if there is an error in our understanding and assumptions then that error undermines what we write. I have demonstrated two error that you have made.

We will have to wait the 8 or so years for that confirmation.

Shalom

So first you assume that I mentioned Terah because I was trying to associate him with the end times, and now you assume I mentioned the flood because I used the flood in my calculations? You just skimmed right through the study and made untrue assumptions, for if you see my calculations, you can clearly see, the flood was not used in my calculations as you say they were (and I do put the year of birth of Adam in Year 1 YB, although that does not affect the year of birth of a son, for if a son were born when Adam was two years old, that would still mean the son was born in Year 2 YB, not in Year 3 YB),

Birth of Adam was in Year 1 YB, then Seth around Year 130 YB, Enosh around Year 235 YB, Kenan around Year 325 YB, Mahalalel around Year 395 YB, Jared around Year 460 YB, Enoch around Year 622 YB, Methuselah around Year 687 YB, Lamech around Year 874 YB, Noah around Year 1056 YB, Shem around Year 1558 YB since he was born when Noah was 502 years old, for he was 98 when the Flood happened, which was when Noah was 600, then Arphaxad around Year 1658 YB, Shelah around Year 1693 YB, Eber around Year 1723 YB, Peleg around Year 1757 YB, Reu around Year 1787 YB, Serug around Year 1819 YB, Nahor around Year 1849 YB, and Terah around Year 1878 YB.

I merely mention the flood to give the reader a point of reference of a very well known time in relation to the above genealogy, but in no way was it used to calculate an exact year, because there's no need to, we have the above precise times. And next, I stop the sum of these genealogies at the birth of Terah, so your argument about the birth of Abraham is irrelevant, because it is not used in my calculation of precise of portions of time, which I deliberately did, because the timing of the birth of Abraham is in question, he may or may not have been the firstborn of Terah, so deriving a precise and accurate year cannot be done introducing segments of time that are in question, because it would thus yield an imprecise time. My concern in this study is deriving a precise and exact year based on precise and exact portions of time that can be verified with absolute certainty, such as the time from Adam to Terah, which is precisely 1878 years, and from the anointing of Yeshuah until now which is precisely 1,992 years (beginning in Tishrei 10), and from the Year 6000 YB to the Year 7000 YB, which is precisely 1,000 years, which yields a precise number of 4,890 years, where then the remaining time of 2,130 precise years are divided between the last two remaining portions of time, from Terah to the anointing of Yeshuah, and from now until the Year 6000 YB, which in the study, I addressed how that time is divided, and how the major the major timelines recorded in scripture from Terah until the anointing of the Messiah justify that number in approximation. I already know how much time elapsed using the surrounding timelines, so counting those difficult timelines, like in the example I gave you, is futile. You will not arrive at a precise number.

And also, the bowls of wrath have not happened. They happen on Tishrei 15 on the Festival of Tabernacles, shortly after the second coming, for the festival was not just celebrated by living in booths, but by the priest pouring wine on the altar for 7 days each day. After Yeshuah returns to blast the trumpets in correlation with the Festival of Trumpets that happens on Tishrei 1, then the bowls of wrath will be poured on Tishrei 15. For just as the Messiah came to fulfill the spring festivals in his first coming, so he comes again to fulfill the autumn festivals in his second coming.

And finally, there is much error in your words. I encourage you to think deeply on what I told you, and see that it is logical and right.

 

[Jay Ross]

The Beginning of the Flood is defined thus: -

Genesis 7: 11 – 12, 16: - 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.
. . . . .
16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.​

The flood event being over is described thus: -

Genesis 8: 13 – 19: - 13 And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry. 14 And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dried.

15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 "Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons' wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth." 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him. 19 Every animal, every creeping thing, every bird, and whatever creeps on the earth, according to their families, went out of the ark.

So, the Flood was over in the 601st year of Noah’s life.

The next piece of information that we need to consider is this: -

Genesis 11:10b: –– Shem was one hundred years old, and begot Arphaxad two years after the flood.

So after considering the above information, then two years after the flood event, Noah was 603 years old. So we both accept that Noah was born in the year 1056 YB, then Arphaxad was born when Noah was 603 years old, in the year 1659 JB, to be precise. Sadly, you stated, in your blog and in the post above, that “Arphaxad {was born} around Year 1658 YB,” which means that your calculation at this point has an error of 1 year which means that it is not precise as you claimed in your post above: - .

I merely mention the flood to give the reader a point of reference of a very well known time in relation to the above genealogy, but in no way was it used to calculate an exact year, because there's no need to, we have the above precise times.

Then in your post above you expressed your opinion that the sixth and seventh bowl judgement as recorded in Revelation 16 has not happened yet without any verifiable proof when you said: -

And also, the bowls of wrath have not happened. They happen on Tishrei 15 on the Festival of Tabernacles, shortly after the second coming, for the festival was not just celebrated by living in booths, but by the priest pouring wine on the altar for 7 days each day. After Yeshuah returns to blast the trumpets in correlation with the Festival of Trumpets that happens on Tishrei 1, then the bowls of wrath will be poured on Tishrei 15. For just as the Messiah came to fulfill the spring festivals in his first coming, so he comes again to fulfill the autumn festivals in his second coming.

That is your opinion and has not been proven yet. With your above bold claim you then went on to make the following claim: -

And finally, there is much error in your words. I encourage you to think deeply on what I told you, and see that it is logical and right.

Many on this board will not spend the amount of time that I have, to show you the errors in the one blog of yours that I read.

Sadly, you are believing you own marketing BS. Your above attempted put down, of my responses to your blog will come back and bit you in a place that will hurt you badly.

Have a good day now.

 

[biloqewu]

The Beginning of the Flood is defined thus: -

Genesis 7: 11 – 12, 16: - 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.
. . . . .
16 So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the Lord shut him in.​

The flood event being over is described thus: -

Genesis 8: 13 – 19: - 13 And it came to pass in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, that the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark and looked, and indeed the surface of the ground was dry. 14 And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dried.

15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying, 16 "Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons' wives with you. 17 Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth." 18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him. 19 Every animal, every creeping thing, every bird, and whatever creeps on the earth, according to their families, went out of the ark.

So, the Flood was over in the 601st year of Noah’s life.

The next piece of information that we need to consider is this: -

Genesis 11:10b: –– Shem was one hundred years old, and begot Arphaxad two years after the flood.

So after considering the above information, then two years after the flood event, Noah was 603 years old. So we both accept that Noah was born in the year 1056 YB, then Arphaxad was born when Noah was 603 years old, in the year 1659 JB, to be precise. Sadly, you stated, in your blog and in the post above, that “Arphaxad {was born} around Year 1658 YB,” which means that your calculation at this point has an error of 1 year which means that it is not precise as you claimed in your post above: - .



Then in your post about you expressed your opinion that the sixth and seventh bowl judgement as recorded in Revelation 16 has not happened yet without any verifiable proof when you said: -



That is your opinion and has not been proven yet. With your above bold claim you then went on to make the following claim: -



Many on this board will not spend the amount of time that I have, to show you the errors in the one blog of yours that I read.

Sadly, you are believing you own marketing BS. Your above attempted put down, of my responses to your blog will come back and bit you in a place that will hurt you badly.

Have a good day now.

You are correct that I was in error concerning my calculations for the genealogies of Adam to Terah, where my error was in two factors, not properly adding the subsequent ages after each generation after Adam in regards to the Year 1 YB, and then assuming "after the flood" was in the beginning of the flood, not at the end of the flood. I have therefore made a correction to my calculations and updated the studies in English and in Spanish, but all that did was just add an additional two years to the summation of precise times, while reducing the segment of time from Terah to the anointing by Yeshuah by two years. The YB to Gregorian year conversion still remains the same, with this correction I essentially just moved time around (at least in my except spreadsheet). And I thank you for that, you just made my study even more precise. Now, I've just shown you and the members of this forum that just as I am fervent in the truth, I am just as humble to admit error and learn, and so, will you now do the same regarding Yeshuah coming to fulfill the autumn festivals of the Torah in correlation with the seven trumpets and seven bowls of wrath in Revelation as I explained to you in the above post? Precision of numbers and endless genealogies can be argued all day long, but not concerning this matter. What I'm telling you is how it will be. Take a look,

and give two quarts of wine as a liquid offering. This will be a special gift, a pleasing aroma to Yehovah. (Numbers 15:10 [MODIFIED-NLT])

Along with it you must present the proper liquid offering of one quart of alcoholic drink with each lamb, poured out in the Set-Apart Place as an offering to Yehovah. (Numbers 28:7 [MODIFIED-NLT])

And you shall make its plates and dishes for incense, and its flagons and bowls with which to pour drink offerings; you shall make them of pure gold. (Exodus 25:29 [ESV])

“On the fifteenth day of the seventh month you shall have a set-apart convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work, and you shall keep a feast to Yehovah seven days. And you shall offer a burnt offering, a food offering, with a pleasing aroma to Yehovah, thirteen bulls from the herd, two rams, fourteen male lambs a year old; they shall be without blemish… and its drink offering… “On the second day twelve bulls from the herd, two rams, fourteen male lambs a year old without blemish… and their drink offerings… “On the third day eleven bulls, two rams, fourteen male lambs a year old without blemish… and its drink offering… “On the fourth day ten bulls, two rams, fourteen male lambs a year old without blemish… and its drink offering… “On the fifth day nine bulls, two rams, fourteen male lambs a year old without blemish… and its drink offering… “On the sixth day eight bulls, two rams, fourteen male lambs a year old without blemish… and its drink offerings… “On the seventh day seven bulls, two rams, fourteen male lambs a year old without blemish… and its drink offering. (Numbers 29:12-34 [MODIFIED-ESV])

The Feast of Tabernacles was celebrated for seven days, which included the pouring of wine on the altar each day for seven days using bowls. How do you not see the correlation of this to the seven bowls of wrath that are also poured using bowls? The bowls of wrath happen in such proximity to each other, day after day, that at the fifth plague,

The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done. (Revelation 16:10-11 [NIV])

Which is darkness, men will feel pain from the sores that happened just a few days prior in the first plague,

The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. (Revelation 16:2 [NIV])

Stop being stubborn and understand.

 

[Jay Ross]

And I thank you for that, you just made my study even more precise.

I am sorry, I did not make your study more precise, I corrected a misunderstanding that you had assumed was correct but had in fact made an error in your assumptions with resect to the chronological record of the Patriarchs year of birth.

As to the presumption that your study is precise, is questionable, to say the least. Are all of your assumptions precisely correct?

I do not believe so. The order of the Bowl judgements are recorded in Revelation 16 in the reverse order to which they unfold within the timeline of man. It seems to me that John was taken to the end of the timeline and then "walked" so to speak back along the timeline to the beginning of the Bowl Judgements occurring. His journey back along the time line was over 2,500 year to the time that the Euphrates River, symbology for the Baal Religion, began to dry up to be replaced by another.

The evidence to support this understanding is actually found in the record of what happens during each of the Bowl Judgements and the time stamp of when the Bowl Judgements occur.

Your arrogance in believing/assuming that you have the precise interpretation of the order of the Bowl Judgements in the right order is why your Blog in this case is not precise but is in effect another error on your part in the interpretation of the scriptures.

In your arrogance, you are telling me that I am in error but you have not provided the proof that will back up you fanciful assumption that what you believe is precise, or to look at it another way, that my understanding of the Bowl Judgement order of them occurring, is in error.

Oh well, I can tell you once, I can tell you a number of times, but if you will not listen or ask then there is little more that I can do to help correct your ignorance in this matter.

Have a good day now, you hear me.

 

[bbyrd009]

Again, I have to only wait 8 or so years to find out if your theory is reasonably accurate.

i'm not engaged here, but this caught my eye; this is when the US is estimated to be @ 100% of GDP to service the "national" debt, kind of interesting maybe

 

[aspen]

I trust you will follow my link and read every word in search for the answer to your OP, Biloqewu - it is in there! I am free this afternoon.....

Catechism of the Catholic Church

 

[Nancy]

But... do you not complain too much? If they people are as you say, why do you let yourself be pulled into an argument or why so you bother to answer them? Why not simply walk forward with God as He leads no matter what anyone else says or does?

Many of these people here have been here on this forum and other designated Christian forums for years. They have heard the messages and the self-proclaimed good words of dozens of newly arrived members too many times who had little of nothing from God to offer. Too often they have been burned when they only tried to express love and welcomes.

No, we should not allow ourselves to get weary in well doing , but we are still human and some of us have very serious problems of our own.

How is your heart? And how are your lungs? I am speaking of the physical now. You are 31 years old. One of the sisters who has responded to you on this thread is more than twice your age and has been serving God for longer than you have been alive. Have you even read her request for prayer on this forum? Or mine? Or those of others here? None of these simple requests for prayer even begin to approach the length of your 'Oh so important' writing about demons and satan. Try comforting and encouraging some of these in need of God's touch for a change instead coming here with a "poor me" attitude because someone did not take part of their valuable time to read according to your recommendation.

AMEN @amadeus - I come here for fellowship and learning, to support and to be supported. Prayer is IMHO the most powerful gift God has given us and if used in faith, as Gods will be done, we just need trust that He has the best of the best for His children ♥ BTW- any news from the Dr.'s office yet??

 

[Jay Ross]

i'm not engaged here, but this caught my eye; this is when the US is estimated to be @ 100% of GDP to service the "national" debt, kind of interesting maybe

That in and of itself could be a valid reason for the USA to go to war to wipe out the debt that it has. That was one of the main reasons in the ancient times that kings went to war.