The Epistle To The Hebrews

[WalterandDebbie]

The Book Of Hebrews:

Many Jewish believers, having stepped out of judaism into Christianity, want to reverse their course in order to escape persecution by their countrymen. The writer of Hebrews exhorts them to "go to perfection" (6:1).

His appeal is based on the superiority of Christ over the Judaic system. Christ is better than the angels, for they worship Him. He is better than Moses, for He created him. He is better than Aaronic priesthood, for His sacrifice was once for all time.

He is better than the Law, for he mediates a better covenant. In short, there is more to be gained in Christ than to be lost in Judaism. Pressing on in Christ produces tested faith, self- discipline, and a visible love seen in good works.

Although the King James Version uses the title "The Epistle Of Paul The Apostle To The Hebrews ," there is no manuscript evidence to support it. The oldest and most reliable title is simply Pros Ebraious, "To Hebrews."

 

[Not me]

Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
in these last days has spoken to “us” in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

I have thought that Hebrews was written to whoever was the “us” in the above verse(s).

To find out who the us is? Who did the fathers and prophets speak to? If they spoke to both the Jews and Gentiles. Than Hebrews was written to humanity as a whole.

Anyways just a thought.

Be blessed in Christ, Not me

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
in these last days has spoken to “us” in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

I have thought that Hebrews was written to whoever was the “us” in the above verse(s).

To find out who the us is? Who did the fathers and prophets speak to? If they spoke to both the Jews and Gentiles. Than Hebrews was written to humanity as a whole.

Anyways just a thought.

Be blessed in Christ, Not me

Amen, I would say that you are correct with your thinking. Hebrews 6:1

 

[Not me]

Amen, I would say that you are correct with your thinking. Hebrews 6:1

Than not to open a can of worms;

Than would that make all the warnings and cautions written to humanity as a whole??

(My surmising)

Working his salvation out, Not me

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Than not to open a can of worms;

Than would that make all the warnings and cautions written to humanity as a whole??

(My surmising)

Working his salvation out, Not me

yes, :)

 

[Not me]

yes, :)

I’m not a 100% convinced yet, but it is something I keep before God. Are your inwardly convinced and have you worked out the verses yet?

A seeking soul, Not me

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I’m not a 100% convinced yet, but it is something I keep before God. Are your inwardly convinced and have you worked out the verses yet?

A seeking soul, Not me

I'm always now more than ever, seeking first his kingdom with the scriptures, unto God working out my salvation.

 

[Not me]

I'm always now more than ever, seeking first his kingdom with the scriptures, unto God working out my salvation.

Thanks, yes seeking His truths, in His person.

Such a security is there in that truth.

Many blessings as we search, Not me

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I'm always now more than ever, seeking first his kingdom with the scriptures, unto God working out my salvation.

Matthew 6:33, and Philippians 2:12

 

[Not me]

Matthew 6:33, and Philippians 2:12

Works for me!

Blessings in Christ, Not me

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Works for me!

Blessings in Christ, Not me

Yeah!

 

[Stan B]

The Book Of Hebrews:

Many Jewish believers, having stepped out of judaism into Christianity, want to reverse their course in order to escape persecution by their countrymen. The writer of Hebrews exhorts them to "go to perfection" (6:1).

His appeal is based on the superiority of Christ over the Judaic system. Christ is better than the angels, for they worship Him. He is better than Moses, for He created him. He is better than Aaronic priesthood, for His sacrifice was once for all time.

He is better than the Law, for he mediates a better covenant. In short, there is more to be gained in Christ than to be lost in Judaism. Pressing on in Christ produces tested faith, self- discipline, and a visible love seen in good works.

Although the King James Version uses the title "The Epistle Of Paul The Apostle To The Hebrews ," there is no manuscript evidence to support it. The oldest and most reliable title is simply Pros Ebraious, "To Hebrews."

What is the significance of the various headings translators used for Paul's Epistle to the Hebrews? The KJV uses "The Epistle Of Paul The Apostle to the Hebrews," NASB and ESV uses "The Letter to the Hebrews

You say >> "there is no manuscript evidence to support it. The oldest and most reliable title is simply Pros Ebraious, "To Hebrews.""

How is that in any way significant?

 

[Stan B]

Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
in these last days has spoken to “us” in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

I have thought that Hebrews was written to whoever was the “us” in the above verse(s).

To find out who the us is? Who did the fathers and prophets speak to? If they spoke to both the Jews and Gentiles. Than Hebrews was written to humanity as a whole.

Anyways just a thought.

Be blessed in Christ, Not me

Since this is the only Epistle Paul wrote in Hebrew, and specifically addresses the Old Covenant, it seems pretty reasonable to assume it was written to the Hebrews. And the “us” would be Paul's kindred brothers, as were the prophets. I don't recall any prophecies being directed at any other than Israel.

 

[Not me]

Since this is the only Epistle Paul wrote in Hebrew, and specifically addresses the Old Covenant, it seems pretty reasonable to assume it was written to the Hebrews. And the “us” would be Paul's kindred brothers, as were the prophets. I don't recall any prophecies being directed at any other than Israel.

The letter may have well been addressed to the Hebrews, henceforth the name. But by the first and second verse, I see it as written to whoever the “us” was.

This is what I lean towards, but if you see it differently, that’s fine. As long as we are feeding our personal relationship with Christ we are on track.

In the OT the Gentiles were included in the all nations, meaning the prophecies were directed to all of humanity.

Genesis 22:18 (NASB)
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

Genesis 26:4 (NASB)
"I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;

So the “us” would be all nations, (all of humanity.) But God knows, so to Him we go.

So I wish you well and your growing in Christ, Not me

 

[101G]

Not saying that any is right or wrong. the book was writter for all to see and learn from, but to a particular people who was stiffnecked, and hardhearted, and jealous for the Law of Moses, and the Old Covenant. it was written for all to learn from. those who wanted, or NOT to contuine under the slave mentality of slavery, (works) bondage vs freedom of sons in God, under (Grace) . this hits another topic concering racism, not only in America, but in the world.
if it was not for religious, and political zealot there would not have been any slavery ........ anywhere. as then, so now the same. America, and else where around the world is reaping the harvest that they planted. as Malcom X said, "the chicken have come home to roost". no, I don't buy what Malcom said, or any of the others with that mentality. we say what the bible says, Ezekiel 18:1 "The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
Ezekiel 18:2 "What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Ezekiel 18:3 "As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die".
so the chicken coming home to roost, don't apply here in the Book of hebrews nor the world. for God will not punish the children for what their fore fathers did. no, he's going to punish you for what you did. so if you eat sour grapes, ..... just like your fore-fathers, then you reap what you have planted. if your a racist like your fathers then don't come come crying to God. just as the book of Hebrews, if you want to act like your fore-fathers, (sacrificing everyday, meaning that you're still at work never ending your sin), don't come crying to God. you reap what "YOU" sow, not what someone else did. for we all will stand before the Judgment seat of God. Hebrew or not.

PICJAG.

 

[Stan B]

The letter may have well been addressed to the Hebrews, henceforth the name. But by the first and second verse, I see it as written to whoever the “us” was.

This is what I lean towards, but if you see it differently, that’s fine. As long as we are feeding our personal relationship with Christ we are on track.

In the OT the Gentiles were included in the all nations, meaning the prophecies were directed to all of humanity.

Genesis 22:18 (NASB)
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

Genesis 26:4 (NASB)
"I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;

So the “us” would be all nations, (all of humanity.) But God knows, so to Him we go.

So I wish you well and your growing in Christ, Not me

Notme says >> In the OT the Gentiles were included in the all nations, meaning the prophecies were directed to all of humanity.

Nope.

Notme says >> Genesis 22:18 (NASB)
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

Nope! That was not 'addressed' to all nations; only one person: Abraham.

Genesis 26:4 (NASB)
Notme says >> "I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;

Nope! That was not 'addressed' to all nations; only one person: Abraham.

Out of all the prophecies, can you find even one that was addressed to other than the descendants of Abraham?

 

[Not me]

Notme says >> In the OT the Gentiles were included in the all nations, meaning the prophecies were directed to all of humanity.

Nope.

Notme says >> Genesis 22:18 (NASB)
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."

Nope! That was not 'addressed' to all nations; only one person: Abraham.

Genesis 26:4 (NASB)
Notme says >> "I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;

Nope! That was not 'addressed' to all nations; only one person: Abraham.

Out of all the prophecies, can you find even one that was addressed to other than the descendants of Abraham?

The prophecies were addressed to one man, true, but the prophecies (the good news) were for all nations.

Matthew 12:21 (NASB)
"AND IN HIS NAME THE GENTILES WILL HOPE."

Romans 15:12 (NASB)
Again Isaiah says, "THERE SHALL COME THE ROOT OF JESSE, AND HE WHO ARISES TO RULE OVER THE GENTILES, IN HIM SHALL THE GENTILES HOPE."

Genesis 3:15 (NASB)
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."

The prophecy of "His bruising the head" was for wherever he might be found, in all of humanity, both the Jews and Gentiles, for this prophecy was given before there were Jew or Gentiles, that the works of the devil would be overcome in all of humanity.

So the Good News of the prophets and fathers, spoke to both the Jews and Gentiles, all of humanity.

This is my understanding,.... but I wish you well. Not me

 

[WalterandDebbie]

What is the significance of the various headings translators used for Paul's Epistle to the Hebrews? The KJV uses "The Epistle Of Paul The Apostle to the Hebrews," NASB and ESV uses "The Letter to the Hebrews

You say >> "there is no manuscript evidence to support it. The oldest and most reliable title is simply Pros Ebraious, "To Hebrews.""

How is that in any way significant?

I think, I can see his reasoning for various headings, to show his appeal was based on the superiority of Christ over the Judaic system. What is your reason for asking to what I stated ?

 

[Stan B]

The prophecies were addressed to one man, true, but the prophecies (the good news) were for all nations.

Matthew 12:21 (NASB)
"AND IN HIS NAME THE GENTILES WILL HOPE."

Romans 15:12 (NASB)
Again Isaiah says, "THERE SHALL COME THE ROOT OF JESSE, AND HE WHO ARISES TO RULE OVER THE GENTILES, IN HIM SHALL THE GENTILES HOPE."

Genesis 3:15 (NASB)
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."

The prophecy of "His bruising the head" was for wherever he might be found, in all of humanity, both the Jews and Gentiles, that the works of the devil would be overcome in all of humanity

So the Good News of the prophets and fathers, spoke to both the Jews and Gentiles.

This is my understanding, but I wish you well. Not me

Not me references >> Matthew 12:21, which is a quote from Isaiah address specifically to Israel:

"But you, Israel, My servant,
Jacob whom I have chosen,
Descendant of Abraham My friend" Isaiah 41:8

Same goes for Romans 15. a quote from Isaiah:

Therefore thus says the Lord God of hosts, “O My people who dwell in Zion" Isaiah 10:24

The prophets did not speak to the Gentiles, they only spoke to the Jews *'about'* the Gentiles.

 

[Stan B]

I think, I can see his reasoning for various headings, to show his appeal was based on the superiority of Christ over the Judaic system. What is your reason for asking to what I stated ?

I was only asking why the various titles given to the book were important, and particularly the KJV using the title "The Epistle Of Paul The Apostle To The Hebrews" as has been done for almost 2000 years.