They say exactly that. How else can one interpret leaving the faith? If it's impossible it would not have to be warned against.
The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS
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What you think about Jesus determines your Eternal Destiny .If you Believe that Jesus was NOT “THE” Son Of God- God in the Flesh and the Savior Of ALL that will simply come to Him in Faith—- and that He was not Devine , merely “ a” Son Of God like Anybody else in the world—— you ain’t Saved.Sorry .
As Jesus asked Peter..... “ and who do “ you” say that I am?” ..... Peter said,” You are the Christ, THE SON Of The Living God” ......Only those that have had their hearts opened by a Visit from the Holy Spirit can give the proper response that Peter did.....( “Flesh and Blood did not reveal this to you”, Jesus told Peter ) I suspect that you have not had that visit....
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What is this silliness you speak of .. I have never stated that the son of God was not divine.. you must be confusing me with someone else.
You are very confused .. Not Catholics ..Not Orthodox (which you already have a majority) Not Lutherans and other non fundamentalist - which are the majority of Protestants ..
This leaves you with the fundamentalist Evangelical and Pentecostals in the US bible belt ..
They are the only ones that believe every word of the bible is to be taken literally ... as the literal word of God - without error .. inerrancy.
Your version of literalism is loop te doop to most of us .. but hey .. perhaps you are correct.. Just don't pretend you are the majority perspective.
Do you believe every word out of the mouth of the Popes was Inspired as well ? .. Gods Inspired Word ? His ordained servants on earth .. Pontifex Maximus . !?
If a person falls away from the faith they were never saved. They were what Jesus called stoney heart hearers. Lk 8:13
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away
When you see that the purpose of the Law was to show you that you could not keep it , Perhaps you will Understand that it was given to get people to “ Shut Up” about their delusional thinking in regard to it.The Law could only point out sin and your need for a Savior....
The Law served its purpose in my life.....The Holy Spirit, using the Law in the way that it was intended, lead me to Jesus. I traded in my reliance on the Law to show me how to live for something that was much better ....a thing that was hidden for Millenia , until God decided that it was time to reveal this “ Mystery”.He used Paul to reveal it —- “Christ IN Us”. THAT is our “ Hope for Glory” now—- the Indwelling Holy Spirit. Without that “ Holy Spirit” you are “ NONE of His”
Paul said that the Law was “ weak and useless” due to the fact that it had “ no Power” to Save.On the other hand ......Paul said that the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 “ DID” have the Power to Save . I’m going to put my Faith in that thing that can save —- not the thing that can only point me to it.
God Commands us to REST in His Gospel Of Grace......if you Refuse to Rest in the Finished Work Of The Cross, God will declare you Guilty Of Disobedience and UNBELIEF— SERIOUS STUFF! Stop “ TRYING” to be Saved by Laws that we’re never meant to save and start “TRUSTING” in the Remedy For Sin That WILL SAVE —- to the UTTERMOST! The “ remedy” is Grace. Plus Nothing. Exemplified by the Gospel That has the Power to actually CHANgE LIVES — from the INSIDE OUT....The Law was “ Outside In” and remember what Paul said , “ It had no power to save.It STILL has none.
Newbies and those still “ babes in the Faith” May not understand the following—- yet! But here is the Truth ......wanna do a better job keeping the Law? Wanna be “ more obedient” in regard to the things that God that God is “Really” Concerned about? A Contrite Heart....a Lover Of Mercy.....Kindness....Empathy.....Forgiveness.....A person who truly Loves God and their Brothers and Sisters? Take the Law—- pass it forward to somebody that needs it To see the NEED FOR JESUS... and “ YOU” That benefited from its True Purpose, “ Trade Up” to something that is much better—- Trusting in The Holy Spirit to Work “ IN and THROUGH” you.....
The Bible contains many Paradoxes.......if you want to be First— Be Last. If you went to Go Upward— Go Downward.Wanna be Obedient ? Wanna be a better Law Keeper, even though it does not save you? Quit worrying about either of theses things .The less I worry about the Law, the better job I do with it.....If you give God the Trust He wants, proven by your RESTING in His Gospel Of Grace , you will “FIND YOURSELF” doing those things that please God......” The man that finds LIFE will Find it by Trusting God”.......Let go and Let God......Trust Him to do what you can’t .We can use the Commandments to become more “ Moral” .We can Most certainly “ Turn over a New Leaf” , but only God can TRANSFORM US from the INSIDE OUT...... God Bless.....
I don’t really post to you—- I use your posts and the posts of a few others at this Site that are confused and have been poorly taught as a “ Springboard” to get the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing out there for those New to the Faith that have not been ruined yet by Legalists , Religionists and Tares....I don’t post to those that are “ stiffed - Necked” or Biblically Ignorant.....please feel free to ignore me....we will both be happier.....
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Really depends on what you define Christianity as...
I define it as a narrower path than perhaps you do...
That if anyone does not ascribe to the truth of 2 Timothy 3:16, he is not a Christian.
Of course not...my perspective is not of the majority...but it is the right perspective (Matthew 7:13-14).
Is not sin the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4)?
Pro 28:9, He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
“ All things are Lawful”....
“Christians are DEAD to the Law”
Why do you want to see an increase in Sin? Don’t you know that God says “ The Law was given so that Sin might INCREASE!”
The Nastiest churches all have the same thing in common.....They Preach and Stress the Law That is “ weak and USELESS” according to Paul and never teach about the Grace Of God that is the True Engine that drives Obedience.....the ONLY Obedience that God is interested in....an obedience that stems from the Love formed in your heart when you awaken to the fact that all of your sins are Forgiven and you are a Member Of The Body Of Christ—- the place where “ it is FINISHED” .....and as far as your Salvation is concerned—— you are UNTOUCHABLE ! God bless ...l
The law is weak and useless to be able to impart life (Galatians 3:21)...
It is not weak and useless as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24-25) showing them that they are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20) from sins (Matthew 1:21) and thus converting their souls (Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).
Psa 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
See also Isaiah 55:10-11.
Thank you...God bless you too!
Also, that Christians are dead to the law, refers to the fact that there is no more condemnation for the believer (Romans 8:1-a, John 5:24 (kjv)).
That New Covenant believers are governed by the law is evident from scriptures such as Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6.
More specifically, that we are governed by the love of Christ which is the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within us (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 john 1:6, Romans 8:4).
That we bear the fruit of the Spirit against which there is no law (Galatians 5:22-23) and that this is a righteousness of God apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).
Therefore the law declares that the righteousness of faith (Philippians 3:9) is righteousness indeed (Romans 3:21).
I do believe some of the Bible is inspired -- only a literalist believes all of the Bible is inspired .. and this is an extremist position which has brought horrible evil to the world - a narrative of Satan spun by the decieved.
Only the deceived think that the literalist point of view is a deception.
I know of nobody here that stresses the Role Of The Law in leading Lost sinners to Jesus than I do.....
I am with Paul.....” The Law is Only Good if you know how to use it”..... I learned how to use it and try to pass it in.......people ain’t getting many if these vital truths in their churches.....its “ Why,SURE Jesus Saves ! BUT! Once you know “ that” you must KEEP the Law to “ STAY” Saved........a Doctrine straight from Hell.....
I didn't accuse God of anything - You are the one that has put those monikers onto God. I categorically reject that God is a xenophobic genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. a flip flopping God who makes a rule stating children should not be killed for the sins of their parents .. then turns around and has children killed because their parents worship idols .. the sin of the parents.
This is Your God .. the one YOU profess to believe in.. as that is how the God YHWH is depicted during the time of the Israelites.
You are on the Broad path .. one which many sheep are travelling .. thinking you have a free pass - and can avoid judgement.
you usurp the position of the Logos -- declaring who is a Christian and who is not - like you are the Judge.
I swear....it’s like shooting fish in a barrel with this guy.....
2 Tim 3:16-17.......” ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God” ......
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