stunnedbygrace
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Is it your idea that no one will be saved until God removes their blindness
Yes. Blind men can’t see.
A physician must heal a blind man for him to see.
Dead men can’t see either for that matter.
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Is it your idea that no one will be saved until God removes their blindness
And that once the blindness is removed, they will of course believe and be saved?Yes. Blind men can’t see.
A physician must heal a blind man for him to see.
Dead men can’t see either for that matter.
And that once the blindness is removed, they will of course believe and be saved?
Much love!
Believe and be saved.If your blindness is healed and you suddenly see God exists, you already believe He exists because you have seen that He does.
so your question makes no sense.
And . . . from Romans 1 . . . people already know God exists. I did. A small child, who knew God created everything. But I was not trusting Him, and was not born again. Knowledge is not saving faith.If your blindness is healed and you suddenly see God exists, you already believe He exists because you have seen that He does.
so your question makes no sense.
PRESS ONWARDS IN THE GLORIOUS LORD . Let the LORD BE PRAISED .
Believe and be saved.
This HE said to those who believed on HIM , IF ye CONTINUE in Me the TRUTH shall make you FREE .Exactly.
But I don’t think you would like where that would lead.
Exactly what?Exactly.
But I don’t think you would like where that would lead.
So, while spirit and flesh are in reality two separate and literal things, here we are speaking of ‘the flesh’ as corruptive (sinful) influences…be it earthly or ingrained in some way.I think you are correct that for the most part we're speaking of the same things.
Andrew Farley defines the flesh as "a way to feel good about yourself". It took me a long time to understand what he meant. We have a way ingrained in us from our infancy of how to live, and now we are entered into a new way. If we fail to differentiate between spirit and flesh we may find ourselves trying to solve things in the old way.
If we fail to trust that God really has freed us from sin, we can feel helpless, destined to do the same evil things we've hated. These can happen below the surface of the mind, so that we find ourselves acting contrary to our faith.
Our intentions are good, but we get waylaid, we get hijacked, we get confused and turned around, and despondant, not realizing this is fleshy feeling, we just get caught up into it.
The deceptive lusts. Body desires that deceive us into thinking, This is me. I can't stop this. I feel so horrible. This shows I'm evil. Fleshy thinking replaces spiritual thinking, and fleshy action follows.
Much love!
It sounds like you've got something front and center that you are dancing around but not saying. You're losing me.Exactly.
But I don’t think you would like where that would lead.
Yes!So, while spirit and flesh are in reality two separate and literal things, here we are speaking of ‘the flesh’ as corruptive (sinful) influences…be it earthly or ingrained in some way.
This, we can agree on!
It sounds like you've got something front and center that you are dancing around but not saying. You're losing me.
Much love!
I think there is truth in this. Paul exhorts us to:To me the heart of this matter is that we are not at war with ourselves, but with our flesh, and we are not our flesh. But we are the one who is controlling our flesh, if we are in fact controlling it.
We have to grow into this.
Much love!
My friend. All people are spiritually dead - blind to spiritual things until the light of Christ opens their eyes to the truth.
@Naomi25 Great verse there....I think there is truth in this. Paul exhorts us to:
1 Corinthians 9:25-27
Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
I think there is ample evidence that we are not condemned if we ‘fall down’…not as long as we keep our eyes on Christ, the author and perfecter of our faith…but there is the expectation that we exert self control and discipline towards a goal.
@David H. Getting back on track. I do have something to say that has bothered me about “freewill.” And it sort of ties in to the verse the first responder to you gave, you did not choose Me, I chose you.
No man can use something called “freewill” unless his blindness is first healed. After his blindness is healed and he can see God exists, does he use something called freewill or does he just sort of go the only way he can now see there is to go? (Where would we go Lord? You have the words of eternal life.) I think it’s important to the continuation and growth of the mans humility that he doesn’t beat up blind men as if he himself just chose to see and believe and they choose not to. I chose you, you did not choose Me is pretty important to not forget. Extreme lack of humility can, and has, ensued in modern Christianity over this “freewill” theological framework that men are indoctrinated into.
A man will always freely choose to do the thing that will save his hide, won’t he? Unless he can’t see and hear.