The False Doctrine of Infant Baptism

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Lets look at the idea or doctrine of Infant Baptism. There is no scriptural evidence sanctioning or for the authorization of Infant Baptism, Christ says nothing about Infant Baptism. The Apostles say nothing about Infant Baptism. The early Church did not have Infant Baptism so were did it come from.

The sudden rise of Infant Baptism is not hard to account for if we look for a moment the mystic rites of the mystery religions. In the mystery religions of antiquity in Egypt, Chaldea and Babylon, we learn that the power of the priests was claimed so great that they held the eternal destiny of human souls in their grasp. Infants who died without the mystic rites of the mystery religions having been performed over them, were denied entrance into the "Elysian Fields," the paradise of the Pagans. The system of infant baptism from the earliest time was an initiation ceremony of the mystery religions and cults and interestingly, infants in paganism have Original Sin..

The Elysian Fields (Ancient Greek: lýsion pedíon) was a conception of the afterlife that evolved and maintained by certain Greek religious and philosophical sects and cults. In mythology, Aeneas, like Heracles and Odysseus before him, travels to the underworld and we read of the visit of Aeneas to the infernal regions. There he found the unhappy souls of infants who had died without receiving the rites of paganism, 'before the gates the cries of babes new-born, whom fate had from their tender mothers torn, assault his ears'...cambridgecitycoc.org.uk/OriginalSin.doc;

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"Infant Baptism is an issue that has divided the Christian community for centuries. Surprisingly this was never an issue in the early church; it is only an issue of churches in more recent history.
During the first three centuries, the church was in an evangelistic mode and we see only adult baptism being administered only upon a persons conversion. There was also the concept that baptism washed away all pre-baptismal sins. It has been in more recent history that infant baptism has been practiced by the church to wash away 'original sin.' Another practice followed this of even postponing baptism until a persons deathbed in order not to commit post-baptismal sins which would have to be dealt with through penance.

As the church absorbed the pagan world, infant baptism became a common practice. In part, this was based on the fact that even in the ancient church there was the idea that baptism was the initiation rite into the community of faith, and infants are born into that community so they are baptized. Another contributing factor was the rise of the understanding of original sin and the belief that baptism washed away the stain of original sin.

The earliest mention of infant baptism was by Tertullian around A.D. 220. Tertullian mentions the practice in conjunction with sponsors who would aid in the childs spiritual training (as Godparents today). But overwhelmingly, the doctrine of baptism during the first three centuries of the church was adult believers baptism only. Infants simply cannot comply: infants cannot be converted, infants cannot repent and believe and in reality, do not need repentance, having not yet committed any actual transgression....Infant baptism is not a Scriptural doctrine. It is not found anywhere in the Bible. There is not one example in the Bible of one single baby ever being baptized and its origins are largely pagan." What are the origins of infant baptism, and is there any Scriptural basis for it?
 

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Do you have a problem with circumcision of infants?
Does the infant agree to it and believe it will be good for him, of course not. He doesnt even know what it is to say nothing concerning faith in God by the baby...
 

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Does the infant agree to it and believe it will be good for him, of course not. He doesnt even know what it is to say nothing concerning faith in God by the baby...
Right. Yet Gen. 17:12 prescribes the practice. Your objection is lack of personal choice/commitment despite this command to Abraham?
 

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Right. Yet Gen. 17:12 prescribes the practice. Your objection is lack of personal choice/commitment despite this command to Abraham?
God decided on it and made it clearly known through the inspired word and the prophets, so that has nothing to do with this idea of infant baptism, which comes from paganism.
 

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Here we have a good explanation by Professor Walter Veith...
Baptism is a symbol of our willingness to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is a conscious decision and proclamation.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned (Mark 16:16).
Infants cannot make a conscious decision. Therefore, to baptize them defeats the whole purpose of the ceremony. Also, infant baptism is never taught in the Scriptures.

The doctrine of infant baptism is of pagan origin and was brought into the Church by Roman Catholicism. As with most Catholic doctrines, infant baptism has its origins in the Babylonian mysteries....In Babylon, new birth was conferred by baptism of infants. European pagans sprinkled their newborns or immersed them, and to this day the "holy water" used for baptism in some circles is still prepared according to the pagan custom of plunging a torch from the altar into the water. Having introduced infant baptism, the Roman Catholic Church was opposed to adults being baptized and even issued the following decree: "Let him be accursed who says adults must be baptized."i

In Acts 8, the King James Version gives a full description of the baptism of the eunuch. The eunuch was a high official from Ethiopia (Acts 8:27) and had come to worship in Jerusalem. He was reading the book of Isaiah when Philip was sent to him and explained to him the passages pertaining to the Messiah.
When he had grasped their significance and recognized Jesus Christ in these verses, he was ready to be baptized (Acts 8:27-35). The KJV continues with the following verses:
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water. And the eunuch said, 'See, here is water. What doth hinder me to be baptized?' And Philip said, 'If thou believest with all thine heart, thou may.' And he answered and said, 'I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.' And he commanded the chariot to stand still. And they went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him (Acts 8:36-38).
The question of the eunuch, "What doth hinder me to be baptized?" is answered by Phillip in verse 37:
If thou believeth with all thine heart, thou mayest.

Modern translations leave out verse 37, and the eunuch is thus denied his answer. It is stated in these translations that certain manuscripts do no contain this verse, and therefore the verse should not be included.
However, these modern translations do not do justice to the chiastic structure of the passage in question. The passage is written in question-answer chiasm and leaving out verse 37 would destroy this literary structure.

Omission of the verse is however convenient for those who propagate infant baptism, because the condition for baptism mentioned in this verse 'believing with ones whole heart' cannot be met by infants. Both infant baptism and baptism by pouring have been introduced by Roman Catholicism into the Church, but they find no support in the Scriptures..."http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception-infant-baptism-believer
 

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God decided on it and made it clearly known through the inspired word and the prophets, so that has nothing to do with this idea of infant baptism, which comes from paganism.
1 Cor. 15:10 mentions baptism on behalf of the dead, who like infants cannot be converted, cannot repent. Do you have a problem with that too?
 

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Lets look at the idea or doctrine of Infant Baptism. There is no scriptural evidence sanctioning or for the authorization of Infant Baptism, Christ says nothing about Infant Baptism. The Apostles say nothing about Infant Baptism. The early Church did not have Infant Baptism so were did it come from.

The sudden rise of Infant Baptism is not hard to account for if we look for a moment the mystic rites of the mystery religions. In the mystery religions of antiquity in Egypt, Chaldea and Babylon, we learn that the power of the priests was claimed so great that they held the eternal destiny of human souls in their grasp. Infants who died without the mystic rites of the mystery religions having been performed over them, were denied entrance into the "Elysian Fields," the paradise of the Pagans. The system of infant baptism from the earliest time was an initiation ceremony of the mystery religions and cults and interestingly, infants in paganism have Original Sin..

The Elysian Fields (Ancient Greek: lýsion pedíon) was a conception of the afterlife that evolved and maintained by certain Greek religious and philosophical sects and cults. In mythology, Aeneas, like Heracles and Odysseus before him, travels to the underworld and we read of the visit of Aeneas to the infernal regions. There he found the unhappy souls of infants who had died without receiving the rites of paganism, 'before the gates the cries of babes new-born, whom fate had from their tender mothers torn, assault his ears'...cambridgecitycoc.org.uk/OriginalSin.doc;

Here is a another description...

"Infant Baptism is an issue that has divided the Christian community for centuries. Surprisingly this was never an issue in the early church; it is only an issue of churches in more recent history.
During the first three centuries, the church was in an evangelistic mode and we see only adult baptism being administered only upon a persons conversion. There was also the concept that baptism washed away all pre-baptismal sins. It has been in more recent history that infant baptism has been practiced by the church to wash away 'original sin.' Another practice followed this of even postponing baptism until a persons deathbed in order not to commit post-baptismal sins which would have to be dealt with through penance.

As the church absorbed the pagan world, infant baptism became a common practice. In part, this was based on the fact that even in the ancient church there was the idea that baptism was the initiation rite into the community of faith, and infants are born into that community so they are baptized. Another contributing factor was the rise of the understanding of original sin and the belief that baptism washed away the stain of original sin.

The earliest mention of infant baptism was by Tertullian around A.D. 220. Tertullian mentions the practice in conjunction with sponsors who would aid in the childs spiritual training (as Godparents today). But overwhelmingly, the doctrine of baptism during the first three centuries of the church was adult believers baptism only. Infants simply cannot comply: infants cannot be converted, infants cannot repent and believe and in reality, do not need repentance, having not yet committed any actual transgression....Infant baptism is not a Scriptural doctrine. It is not found anywhere in the Bible. There is not one example in the Bible of one single baby ever being baptized and its origins are largely pagan." What are the origins of infant baptism, and is there any Scriptural basis for it?
I think some people believe that you will go to hell if you don't get baptized, so they have their babies baptized.
 

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1 Cor. 7:14 references the children even of a “mixed” marriage being holy. A discussion of original sin and grace both being genetically transmitted deserves its own OP, but I mention it in passing to show that Christian children are included in the people of God. Acts 2:38-39 has Peter telling his Pentecost audience to be baptized as a sign of the promise that is extended to their children as well. This is the culmination of the promise to Abraham and his offspring (Gal. 3:29). Baptism being the equivalent of circumcision as a sign of entrance into this new Covenant (note how Col. 2:11-12 links them), I see no downside to infant baptism any more than I do to infant circumcision.

By the way, Acts 16:33 doesn’t mention the ages of everyone in the household that was baptized, but it’s a safe bet children were among them. 1 Cor. 1:16 mentions Paul baptizing a whole household. Apparently it was a common practice.
 

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Lets look at the idea or doctrine of Infant Baptism. There is no scriptural evidence sanctioning or for the authorization of Infant Baptism, Christ says nothing about Infant Baptism. The Apostles say nothing about Infant Baptism. The early Church did not have Infant Baptism so were did it come from.
John the Baptist was led to use water as an agent symbolic of cleansing. It was an act to portray a determination to repent of sin and so be accepted by God again.

It's important to recognize that Water Baptism was not required, nor was it under the Law of Moses. Jews responded to the call for Baptism out of personal conviction.

In the NT Water Baptism likewise is not a rule nor a law. It was simply a continuation of what John had done in the context of Israel's sad moral state. People still needed to be brought to repentance. But in the NT era they way they do that is by embracing Christ, instead of the Law.

Infant Baptism is purely a form of dedication. It is not the infant child repenting, but rather, the parents choosing to raise the child up in the faith. It's called "Baptism," but it's really just a "Dedication."
 
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Do you have a problem with circumcision of infants?
Yes.
Have you ever witnessed a circumcision?
That baby boy suffers horribly and screams.

The practice of infant baptism is not sanctioned by Christ. It was never taught by Christ.

It is a rite that adds a new one to the population of mans church.An innocent.
 

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Yes.
Have you ever witnessed a circumcision?
That baby boy suffers horribly and screams.

The practice of infant baptism is not sanctioned by Christ. It was never taught by Christ.

It is a rite that adds a new one to the population of mans church.An innocent.
I wonder if Paul was thinking about what Christ did or did not teach when he had Timothy get circumcised, Acts 16:3.
 

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I wonder if Paul was thinking about what Christ did or did not teach when he had Timothy get circumcised, Acts 16:3.
Paul said he was an appointed Apostle of Immanuel. We are to understand everything he did was aligned with the teachings of Christ.
 

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1 Cor. 15:10 mentions baptism on behalf of the dead, who like infants cannot be converted, cannot repent. Do you have a problem with that too?
What Bible are you using.......
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
 

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I think some people believe that you will go to hell if you don't get baptized, so they have their babies baptized.
No... not all. At least some like the Presbyterians dont belive baptism saves.

But it seems as if baptising them wrongly likely will cause the baby to end up in hell.... because they never, or rarely correct that error. And unl;ess you are a Quaker, Salvation Army, or Church of Satan you are expected to be baptised to be a member of the Christian clan. Be it for salvation or to show the other watchers and witnesses you got the faith.

Some denominations baptize infants to cleans them from original sin.

Some, like the Catholics baptise the infants but it is a dedication and presentation of the infant to God.
HOW HORRIBLE that anyone would want throe infant dedicated and presented to God.

That surly is worthy of child abuse and we all know Jesus wont hold people guiltless who abuse children.
Same for thos who want their infants cleansed from original sin or to start their journey through life.

CHILD ABUSE.... I know... I was

The people who had their entire families baptised in the bible... people like the Jailer etc were lied to and that is worse because they trusted those doing the preaching and turned their own faith properly and then their entire families were baptised and the toddlers and infants had no clue.

So the parents felt good that they themselves had done good and the kids were not going to make it as their baptisms were not acknowledged by God the Father or Jesus. It should not be cause it was false.

So those who did those baptisms should themselves have to suffer as well.

And those denominations who say once baptised do not do it again should also. Those would be the believers in the Westminster Confession of Faith.
 
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No... not all. At least some like the Presbyterians dont belive baptism saves.

But it seems as if baptising them wrongly likely will cause the baby to end up in hell.... because they never, or rarely correct that error. And unl;ess you are a Quaker, Salvation Army, or Church of Satan you are expected to be baptised to be a member of the Christian clan. Be it for salvation or to show the other watchers and witnesses you got the faith.

Some denominations baptize infants to cleans them from original sin.

Some, like the Catholics baptise the infants but it is a dedication and presentation of the infant to God.
HOW HORRIBLE that anyone would want throe infant dedicated and presented to God.

That surly is worthy of child abuse and we all know Jesus wont hold people guiltless who abuse children.
Same for thos who want their infants cleansed from original sin or to start their journey through life.

CHILD ABUSE.... I know... I was

The people who had their entire families baptised in the bible... people like the Jailer etc were lied to and that is worse because they trusted those doing the preaching and turned their own faith properly and then their entire families were baptised and the toddlers and infants had no clue.

So the parents felt good that they themselves had done good and the kids were not going to make it as their baptisms were not acknowledged by God the Father or Jesus. It should not be cause it was false.

So those who did those baptisms should themselves have to suffer as well.

And those denominations who say once baptised do not do it again should also. Those would be the believers in the Westminster Confession of Faith.
I believe my statement was correct. I think some people believe you need to be baptized in order to go to heaven. Maybe this verse has something to do with it:

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." John 3:5 RSV