The False Doctrines with OTHER key words

[CharismaticLady]

I disagree with you. I believe that it contains a specific teaching that is distinct from the whole of the eight chapters that you are referring to.

If you make a doctrine out of 4 or 5 alone, you can easily make a false doctrine. But if you see the context of 6, that PREVENTS the false teaching. See why it is dangerous to think chapter 4 is distinct?

Romans 4: justification without the law.
Romans 5: not under law, but under grace.

Romans 6:

• 1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
• 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

 

[justbyfaith]

Hi @CharismaticLady,

It is important that we absorb the doctrines of justification by grace through faith found in Romans 4 and 5.

They have their purpose in the mind of the believer; and they are also not nullified by subsequent teachings on holiness in Romans 6 and Romans 8.

As a matter of fact, it ought to be clear that Paul's contentions that we ought not to continue in sin that grace may abound, etc. are all part of a whole teaching that does not take away the fact that grace can in fact be misapplied when it is understood correctly.

Fact is, the grace of our God is extravagant and also scandalous.

Where sin abounds, grace superabounds (Romans 5:20).

This concept is the very thing that prompts Paul to say what he says in Romans 6:1-4; but I would say to you truly that the concept that leads him to answer to how it might be misapllied in those verses is in fact sound doctrine.

 

[friend of]

If only past sins are cleansed, then nobody is going to heaven. We all fall short daily and to think oneself otherwise displays spiritual pride.

 

[CharismaticLady]

In Romans 4, the subject matter is justification by faith; whereas in Romans 8, we have a subject matter of sanctification by the Spirit.

All eight chapters are Old Covenant vs. New Covenant and lead to the culmination of the covenant of the Spirit.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Hi @CharismaticLady,

It is important that we absorb the doctrines of justification by grace through faith found in Romans 4 and 5.

They have their purpose in the mind of the believer; and they are also not nullified by subsequent teachings on holiness in Romans 6 and Romans 8.

As a matter of fact, it ought to be clear that Paul's contentions that we ought not to continue in sin that grace may abound, etc. are all part of a whole teaching that does not take away the fact that grace can in fact be misapplied when it is understood correctly.

Fact is, the grace of our God is extravagant and also scandalous.

Where sin abounds, grace superabounds (Romans 5:20).

This concept is the very thing that prompts Paul to say what he says in Romans 6:1-4; but I would say to you truly that the concept that leads him to answer to how it might be misapllied in those verses is in fact sound doctrine.

That was a little confusing. So what is your definition of grace concerning sin?

 

[justbyfaith]

That was a little confusing. So what is your definition of grace concerning sin?

The definition for grace, impaho, is five-fold:

1) unmerited (simple) favour

2) getting what we don't deserve (as opposed to mercy--not getting what we do deserve)

3) G)od's R)iches A)t C)hrist's E)xpense

4) the enabling power of the Lord

5) G)oodness R)endered A)s C)hrist E)mpowers.

 

[marks]

Why not outline the first 8 chapters?

Just a suggestion, I find it useful sometimes.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

The definition for grace, impaho, is five-fold:

1) unmerited (simple) favour

2) getting what we don't deserve (as opposed to mercy--not getting what we do deserve)

3) G)od's R)iches A)t C)hrist's E)xpense

4) the enabling power of the Lord

5) G)oodness R)endered A)s C)hrist E)mpowers.

That is a good definition and better than most people's on here.

 

[Truthcampaign.org]

We are not in the flesh (carnal nature)

When Jesus spoke about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, did the disciples leave because they thought Jesus taught cannibalism?

Jesus made very clear that his “literal” flesh is “bread” that must be consumed:

• I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. 51

• This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever. 58

Jesus was very explicit that the “bread” you eat is truly his flesh:

• Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.” 53

• Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 54

• For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 55

• Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 56

• Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 57

https://truthcampaign.org/truth-campaign-5/

 

[Truthcampaign.org]

but in the Spirit (divine nature), if the Spirit of God dwells within.

https://truthcampaign.org/truth-campaign-2/

 

[amigo de christo]

When Jesus spoke about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, did the disciples leave because they thought Jesus taught cannibalism?

Jesus made very clear that his “literal” flesh is “bread” that must be consumed:

• I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. 51

• This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever. 58

Jesus was very explicit that the “bread” you eat is truly his flesh:

• Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.” 53

• Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 54

• For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 55

• Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 56

• Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 57

https://truthcampaign.org/truth-campaign-5/

Read just a wee bit father along . HE also said my Words are SPIRIT and they are LIFE .

 

[Truman]

Besides "cover" there are other key phrases of the false doctrine which brings death of the Church age of Sardis in Revelation 3.

False Doctrine phrases

• Cover: the blood of Jesus covers our sin, and hides our sin from the Father who cannot look upon sin.

• Past, present and future sins are all forgiven

• Imputed righteousness, that covers your unrighteousness, but doesn't make you righteous.

• Jesus freed us from the law and the consequences of sin, so you can sin and remain saved.

• We will always sin until our bodies of flesh die and are changed.

Truth

• The blood of Jesus takes away our desire to sin 1 John 3:5; 2 Peter 1:4

• Past sins are cleansed. 2 Peter 1:9

• Our born again nature does righteousness, making us righteous. 1 John 3:7

• Jesus freed us from SIN. John 8:34-36

• We are not in the flesh (carnal nature), but in the Spirit (divine nature), if the Spirit of God dwells within. (Reason for Paul's command to not quench the Spirit)

Justification frees us from guilt and gives us spiritual rebirth. Sanctification (the daily cross) removes sin from our soul. Glorification will happen when we are caught up in the clouds, are given new bodies, and will be with Jesus forever. THE problem with the church today is the lack of the daily cross. Hence the church in a large part is a baby-sitter for adult spiritual infants. "There is no one as blind as the blind one who believes they see." Shalom.

 

[amigo de christo]

That is a good definition and better than most people's on here.

Actually also we have the very biblical defintion of what Grace does .
And i bet you arleady know it .
But let us read what paul once wrote to titus . Many , many moons ago , go back days , months , years , decades
centuries , almost two millinia . Paul wrote this
For the grace of GOD which Brings Salvation has appeared to all , TEACHING US
Teaching us to deny ungodliness and wordly lusts and to be living soberly , righteously and godly in this world
as we await the coming of our LORD .
YES Indeed sister . The grace that comes from GOD , is not hyper grace at all . ITS REAL .
As you already know . Feast on that BIBLE sister . Feast every day and love every WORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

And now its TIME to PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .
So let all the hands fly up and let the praises coupled with much thanksgiving be given UNTO HE who alone
has saved us , changed us , and IN HIM we have all hope .
ALL HOPE . no matter what comes against us . whether we live or die , suffer , are beaten , persecuted and even killed , we have
ALL HOPE . FOR WE HAVE THE GLORIOUS HOPE OF OUR KING . LET the praises FLY TO THE LORD my friends .

 

[Nancy]

Read just a wee bit father along . HE also said my Words are SPIRIT and they are LIFE .

Amen. We are to 'feed' on The Word of God...

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. We are to 'feed' on The Word of God...

YES indeed sister . and lambs LOVE those words . FOR GOD puts a LOVE for TRUTH on our hearts .
FEED on the bible . Yes indeed .

 

[CharismaticLady]

When Jesus spoke about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, did the disciples leave because they thought Jesus taught cannibalism?

Jesus made very clear that his “literal” flesh is “bread” that must be consumed:

• I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. 51

• This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever. 58

Jesus was very explicit that the “bread” you eat is truly his flesh:

• Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.” 53

• Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 54

• For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 55

• Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 56

• Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 57

https://truthcampaign.org/truth-campaign-5/

Yes, they thought it was literal, rather than spiritual.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Justification frees us from guilt and gives us spiritual rebirth. Sanctification (the daily cross) removes sin from our soul. Glorification will happen when we are caught up in the clouds, are given new bodies, and will be with Jesus forever. THE problem with the church today is the lack of the daily cross. Hence the church in a large part is a baby-sitter for adult spiritual infants. "There is no one as blind as the blind one who believes they see." Shalom.

We have different views. I already stated mine. We are being glorified now. It is part of the divine nature of God that we are partakers of, perfecting us more and more into Christ's image and nature.

 

[Truman]

We have different views. I already stated mine. We are being glorified now. It is part of the divine nature of God that we are partakers of, perfecting us more and more into Christ's image and nature.

"and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death." Hebrews 2:15 NIV. I'll leave it at that. Shalom.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Actually also we have the very biblical defintion of what Grace does .
And i bet you arleady know it .
But let us read what paul once wrote to titus . Many , many moons ago , go back days , months , years , decades
centuries , almost two millinia . Paul wrote this
For the grace of GOD which Brings Salvation has appeared to all , TEACHING US
Teaching us to deny ungodliness and wordly lusts and to be living soberly , righteously and godly in this world
as we await the coming of our LORD .
YES Indeed sister . The grace that comes from GOD , is not hyper grace at all . ITS REAL .
As you already know . Feast on that BIBLE sister . Feast every day and love every WORD .

The Grace of God is His power to become like Him and have no desire to sin. One of the Semitic writing styles is parallelisms. Saying one thing two different ways. One confirms the other.

Acts of the Apostles 4:33 " And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Confirmed by 2 Peter 1:2-4 "Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.