The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

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The Light

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I disagree with a Pre-Trib view.
You might want to reconsider. He is coming in an hour that your think not.
I wish I didn't and would prefer that but am just stuck on the last trumpet being #7.
The last trumpet is blown on the feast of trumpets.

And then we see a GREAT MULTITUDE in Rev. 7 _ WHO JUST CAME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATUON _ THAT NO ONE COULD NUMBER. If they just came out of it, that means they were in it!
The Church wasn't in the great tribulation. They are already in heaven. Those that came out of the great tribulation are Jews. They got victory over the beast and are singing the song of Moses.

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

It doesn't appear that you understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel.
As I have described the details of what takes place at the 7th Trumpet and you cannot see that it correlates to the Rapture,
The 7th trumpet blown by an angel has absolutely nothing to do with a rapture. The 7th trumpet is the end of the wrath of God. It is when Christ sets up His kingdom on the earth.

then stick with what you believe and we shall soon see. The GT is about to begin,and when we are still here, you'll be scratching your head!
Yes the great tribulation is about to begin. Before that happens, the Church will be raptured to heaven.

I don't buy into the Gap Theory either. Jesus began his ministry after the 69 weeks of years and was cut off in the middle. Finishing that 70th week was not necessary, it was inclusive. Gabriel was delivering an accurate message, (precise time) to Daniel that wasn't altered - it described Jesus 1st Coming only and then alluded to the destruction of Jerusalem (not within the 70 weeks- didn't have to be, it was a parenthetical statement made - additional facts added).
Has this happened.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The seventy weeks are not complete.
 

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So is WPM. Why are you acting as if he called them something else? As he said, in your view they are the lastfruits rather than the firstfruits.

No. In my view, they are first fruits just as the Word says.
Why can't it be the same firstfruits that James wrote about?
Because it not the same first fruits.
Ever hear of interpreting scripture with scripture?
Of course. Very important.
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting......18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The souls of these firstfruits Israelite believers are in heaven with Jesus now.
Great. But they are not part of the 144,000 first fruits. That much is sure.
 

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You left out the verse that says:

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Is this a third group of people to you?
No.
We are all seated in the heavenly realms as saved souls right now, whether your living or dead.
His second coming clothes all saved souls with a glorified body, like his glorious body.


Phill 3
20 But [we are different, because] our citizenship is in heaven. And from there we eagerly await [the coming of] the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who, by exerting that power which enables Him even to subject everything to Himself, will [not only] transform [but completely refashion] our earthly bodies so that they will be like His glorious resurrected body.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory].

Heb 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels [in festive gathering], 23 and to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are registered [as citizens] in heaven, and to God, who is Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous (the redeemed in heaven) who have been made perfect [bringing them to their final glory], 24 and to Jesus, the Mediator of a new covenant [uniting God and man], and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks [of mercy], a better and nobler and more gracious message than the blood of Abel [which cried out for vengeance].
 

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The potential problem with teaching a pre-trib rapture, other than it being a false doctrine, is that it can lead people to think that they don't need to worry about going through persecution and tribulation and such because they think they will either die first or be taken away (raptured) from it before it happens. That can lead to a false sense of security and a lack of preparedness for hardship.
Someone that believes in the truth of a pretribulation rapture should be more prepared as we are told to watch as we know not what hour He will come.
 
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Your bias is keeping you from seeing the truth.

Not so. You have showed you are bereft of any convincing Scripture. If you had it you would be quick to give it. But you do not. That is why you cannot.
 

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Well, WPM made a good point, and you may have missed it. Jesus said this:
Luke 17.27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

And Genesis says this:
Gen 7.11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.


So what we have here is Jesus saying the worldly celebration ended on the day Noah entered the ark, at which time the Flood came and destroyed them all. And in Genesis it is said that on the day Noah and his family entered the ark, on the 17th day of the 2nd month, the Flood began.
No, you are breaking up the thoughts to force fit your point. You and WPM need a verse from Scripture that states it took 7 days to enter the ark. Without your proof text you are literally dead in the water. Now you could point out there were not punctuation marks, and they were added even in modern Hebrew Scriptures. You are still going past what most have accepted as breaks in the thought.

Verse 13 goes with verse 14, not 12.

"In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort."

"And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

"And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in."

Then again we see the phrase:

"And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth."

Verse 12 is the end of the thought from verse 11 or 5.

"And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him. And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth. And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah."

"And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."

That is the end of the thought with a period. It is not part of the next sentence, which starts with a preposition:

"In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort."

You are saying that Noah disobeyed God and waited for the 7th day to enter the ark, if you move the prepositional phrase from the next sentence and place it in the previous sentence.

What is the big deal that God shut the door 6 days before the Flood came? Personally I think that Enoch was a type of the church and Noah was a type of Israel, obedient to God. The rapture would have happened prior to wickedness even getting out of hand. Israel still goes further, into troublesome times than the church does, but is removed while Satan is granted his 42 month empire.

Jesus does not tell us the meaning of the 6 days, but either Noah obeyed God the first day or waited in disobedience until the very last minute, which would also apply to pre and post positions, as if Jesus would let you all remain on the earth post the Second Coming. The Second Coming is the 6th Seal. The final harvest is after the 7th Seal, and the Lamb's book of life has been opened to remove names of people who will soon be tossed directly into the LOF.

So I would say the ark being shut is in direct comparison of the Lamb's book of life opened. All have been safe, inside, until the book was unsealed. Noah was safe inside a sealed ark, while the rest of the world were stuck outside. Now, no one could enter the ark, after the first day, even if they wanted to. After the 7th Seal, many will be booted from God's redemption.

No one knows if it will be an exact 6 years or 6 days after the 6th Seal is opened. But many today hold to the year day principle. Israel was punished 40 years in the wilderness, for the 40 days of spying out the land and giving a bad report. The way you all compare Scripture, any thing goes. But you have not given a proof text saying it took all 7 days to enter the ark. If we did that sort of interpretation, you all would cry conjecture.

You can try to convince us that the punctuation marks have been placed in the wrong spots, but who would we blame? Did the Hebrew textual critics place them according to English understanding, or did the English follow the Hebrew addition. The Torah itself has no such divisions. Modern Hebrew has added them to modern Hebrew versions of the Torah.
 

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Your comparison between the Flood and a Pretribulation Rapture leaves me unconvinced. Particularly of concern is the fact you have no biblical statement indicating that. Therefore, it is an illegitimate claim.
Illegitimate? Jesus compared His Second Coming to the days of Noah. How much more legitimacy do you require? Enoch was raptured before Noah started to build the ark, which seems to have taken 100 years.

Then Noah was taken up above the Flood by a different mode than a rapture, but both were removed and protected from the Judgment time. When do you think the judgment happens in the book of Revelation? Only at Armageddon, and none of the other set of events? What are the Trumpets for, or the Thunders?
 

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He is totally contradicting the actual wording, context and supporting NT teaching from Christ. Is he a Premil?
I believe he is. I actually agree with you. But I hate getting into wars w/ my brother. The language is his subject. Theology is more my subject. Thanks.
 

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Exactly. I wonder if it is more important to know the truth or protect a fallen doctrine.
What John wrote in Revelation 20 could apply to the day of the Cross.

The OT redeemed were resurrected and given life, but the rest of the dead did not live again, until the GWT Judgment. This is the first resurrection.

That would make sense even to amil who claim the time of waiting was from the Cross until the Second Coming.

But then they would have to stop pretending there is only one resurrection. Their whole system of eschatology seems based on a single resurrection. Then some pre-mill hop on board that amil train, and claim a "last day" resurrection as well.
 

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You left out the verse that says:

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Is this a third group of people to you?
That's obviously a reference to the ones Paul calls "the dead in Christ" in verse 16. You have them rising already before Jesus brings them with Him from heaven even though it says they rise first after He descends from heaven. In verse 16 it's talking about them bodily rising from the dead, not rising in the air to meet Jesus. Their souls come with Jesus from heaven and then unite with their changed, incorruptible bodies when they are resurrected from the dead. You are so incredibly confused.
 

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The wedding feast in Revelation 19 is with Israel, not the church.
Revelation 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.

Where do you get your beliefs from? Judaism? Who does scripture say is the bride of Christ? Israel? Or the church?

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.

Clearly, the bride of Christ is the church, not Israel. You are not interpreting Revelation 19 in a way that lines up with other scripture. Do you never take other scripture into account when interpreting any given verse or passage?
 

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Notice I said that is a POTENTIAL problem with believing in a pre-trib rapture. Doesn't mean that will be the case for everyone who believes in it. Understand?

What is the potential problem?

Yes, of course. Why would it be evil to be mistaken about a doctrine that is not essential to salvation?

It is not essential to salvation. It may be essential to whether we go through the Great Trib or not.

What exactly is your understanding of "the Great Tribulation"? What is it exactly and how long do you think it lasts? You may recall that I pointed out how our understanding of it isn't the same? Yet, I still don't know exactly what your understanding is of that term other than you said it refers to God's wrath.

Matthew 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.../KJV

Is that hard to understand? Great Tribulation. Wars rumours of wars, Pestilince,Earthquakes. Volcanos, death and destruction everywhere. They might even throw in an Alien invasion and also tell all of the Bigfoots to start attacking instead of running. How would you like to have to defend your family from a pissed of Bigfoot while you all are out camping? I bet no 9mm will take one down.

John 16:33
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.../KJV

That's a far cry from Matthew 24:21, such as was not since the beginning of the world. It is going to be much much worse. You think you have Tribulation and persecutions? Brother, these are the good old days right now compared to what coming. There's quite a few more scriptures describing the GT. People will search for death and not be able to find it. Only one way to die during this time, confess Jesus as Lord and they will cut off your head. There's 6 or it 7 bowls of Wrath that will poured out upon the earth. The horsemen, the famines, and the mark of the beast. All that stuff. It will be the darkest and hardest time that has ever come upon the world since the beginning of time.

But the church will be in heaven at the Marriage supper of the Lamb during this time, having a BBQ with the Lord!

There's about 300 or so prophecies abut the (first) coming of the Messiah in scripture. There's 2500 about the His 2nd coming, end times and the GT.

No, not really. Some people go through some really terrible things in their lives. Think about the kind of things Christians in Middle Eastern countries, some African countries and China have been through. Absolutely horrible persecution. And think about what people have been through during earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, famines and so on. This "Great Tribulation" that you speak about won't be any worse for those people than what they've already been through.

You're being awful short sighted there. You think this is as bad as it gets? Scripture says it will be soo bad that men's hearts will fail them for the fear that comes upon them. When the big event happens I think it will happen so fast that they will not have time to repent. No time to pray. You must be ready before then and walk under the cloud of God's protection.

You know that I've told you several times now that I agree with that, right? But, why would there be any need to be taken off of the earth any time before God's wrath comes down on literally the entire earth like we see described in 2 Peter 3:10-12?

Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.../KJV

A more accurate translation would read, Because you have kept my words during My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of tempaton which shall come upon all the world.../

IOW, Rapture you out of the GT, which shall come upon the world. Because we are not appointed to wrath.

No, not really. Some people go through some really terrible things in their lives. Think about the kind of things Christians in Middle Eastern countries, some African countries and China have been through. Absolutely horrible persecution. And think about what people have been through during earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, famines and so on. This "Great Tribulation" that you speak about won't be any worse for those people than what they've already been through.

Do you think that it can't get worse than it already is?! Wow. Super Optimistic!

Can't you look around you at the world and see that even now it is getting worse? Time is short for satan and he knows it so he has turned up the heat so to speak.
 

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You are sadly mistaken. Do you understand that it will be the church, the bride of Christ, that will be caught up in the rapture? So, therefore, what you are saying is that you think people have to believe in a pre-trib rapture to be part of the church! Are you kidding me? That is complete nonsense! Please think about this.

They have to believe in a pretrib rapture to be part of the church? I dont think I said that!

But shouldn't the Bride be eagerly awaiting the arrival of her groom? Watching for Him?

When you went to pick up she who would become your wife to go to ceremony...Did she say? Oh is that today? I forgot! Or maybe she wasnt even there or watching for you, and spent the night with her girlfriends getting drunk. How would that make you feel? Would you have still married her?

Perhaps not. My wife was ready. She said, Let's Go! That made me feel good. I married her.

Now there will be believers who get left behind, that wasnt chosen as a Bride, but they are still saved. I mean, two will be in the field and one will be taken and one left. Two women will be at the Mill. One is taken, the other left. She wasnt watching eagerly the way any Bride would be who wanted to get married so Jesus will prolly figure, oh she isnt ready to get married yet she has more to learn and more to mature first.

It's those luke warm Believers that are left behind (for whatever reason) that will know they were left behnd and suddenly climb down off of that fence and be the new Believers with a fire in the heart for the Lord. They will be saved eventually but the will have to go through the GT..


Where do you get the idea that only those who believe in a pre-trib rapture are watching and making themselves ready for Christ's return? Part of watching is watching and paying attention to what is going on in your life and in the world. You don't have to believe in pre-trib to do that.

Also, why did you stop at verse 47? If you keep reading, we can see what you are actually implying about those who don't believe in a pre-trib rapture.

You put words in my mouth. that's not what I said. I agree with you here.

A lot of my posts are way too long I think. Sometimes I get to rambling and it just goes on and on. So I stopped at v47 !
And I implied nothing of the sort! Like you said, I stopped there and didn't post more verses so any implying going on must be you imlying what I would have said if I had kept posting the latter scriptures! Rught? Make sense? You can't see what I'm implying through your own implications, lol.
 

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Not so. You have showed you are bereft of any convincing Scripture. If you had it you would be quick to give it. But you do not. That is why you cannot.

Is that how you talk to your congregation?!
 

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You might want to reconsider. He is coming in an hour that your think not.
The hour or the day we don't know but the season ... God gives us the signs I spoke of. Additionally Gen. 1:14 speaks of the constellations, sun and moon as signs.
We had two solar eclipses (in 2017 & 2024) that formed an "X" over North America, shaped like the Greek letter Chi, the first letter in the word for Christ and also it is the sign of the cross as well.
Last night we just had a blood moon. All eclipses were seen in Jerusalem as well.
The last trumpet is blown on the feast of trumpets.
How many trumpets are blown during that feast in how many cities by how many trumpeters? Which one gets the honor?
The SEVEN TRUMPETS OF REVELATION ARE NOT BLOWN BY PEOPLE, THEY ARE BLOWN BY ANGELS. HELLO.
The 7th trumpet blown by an angel has absolutely nothing to do with a rapture
Really. Let's look at Rev. 10:7 :"The mystery of God would be finished"
Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
Sounds pretty significant to me.
Oh, I know the Pre-Tribers look at Rev. 4:1 when John is taken up to heaven as the event? No, God is just calling John to come up and see.
Has this happened.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
70 weeks? Yep, Jesus came, died and rose.
Finished trangression? He died and we died to sin. Certainly this only applies to believers.
Make an end of sins? Without the Law, there is no sin. Spiritually, we are under Grace. Of course until we physically die, sin still dwells in our members, but spiritually, if we died today, we would be presented to The Father in Heaven spotless.
 Reconciation with God was and is the purpose of life. We are reconciled to God through Christ.
Everlasting rightwousness? Jesus brought righteousness, He fulfilled the requirements of the Law for us and thereby inputing righteousness to us.
Seal up vision and prophecy?
The Bible is complete, filled with His Word. It was sealed up until the timenm of His return, which is this generation.
 

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That kind of teaching, doomsday, WWIII, absolute chaos, death and famine, etc., aka Hal Lindsay, is EXACTLY WHAT THE PREACHERS ON THE FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE DOCTRINE teach. It is to try and SCARE the Christian to believe in the false pre-trib rapture prior to the "great tribulation".

That's what I was talking about with you and your negative connotaions. Are you the eternal Pessimist?

Are you not in Christ? Then can you not see that I didn't preach doomsday, I preached the good news part of it, for us Brothers &Sisters, and the unbelievers. But for some reason you dont really see that. And that's odd to me.
 

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Now there will be believers who get left behind, that wasnt chosen as a Bride, but they are still saved. I mean, two will be in the field and one will be taken and one left. Two women will be at the Mill. One is taken, the other left. She wasnt watching eagerly the way any Bride would be who wanted to get married so Jesus will prolly figure, oh she isnt ready to get married yet she has more to learn and more to mature first.

It's those luke warm Believers that are left behind (for whatever reason) that will know they were left behnd and suddenly climb down off of that fence and be the new Believers with a fire in the heart for the Lord. They will be saved eventually but the will have to go through the GT..

How about giving us clear Scripture to show this? Where in Scripture does it say, "there will be believers who get left behind, that wasn't chosen as a Bride, but they are still saved"? You cannot even prove there is a tribulation period after the second coming.

When Jesus comes, He rescues all the elect and destroys all the wicked, before He pours out is final and wholesale wrath. That is the pattern of history. That is what Scripture teaches.

Where does it say the one left behind is (a) believer and (2) survives the wrath that is poured out in that great climactic day? You are forcing what you have been taught into the inspired text. You have to. There is not one single proof text in the Word. Your failure to provide the same reinforces that. No Pretrib can prove that. All we are getting from you is wild unsubstantiated claims.

If you were to openly and objectively look at the text that you are referring to, you would see that it actually forbids a Pretrib scenario. Good at the proves Amillennialism. Instead of the Pretrib soundbites, let us look at what the text actually says!

Jesus said in Luke 17:24-34: “For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.”

“one shall taken, and the other shall be left”

If we look closer at this passage we learn, “in that night (when He shall Come) there shall be two in one bed; the one shall be paraleemftheésetai (or) taken, and the other shall be afetheésetai (or) left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be paraleemftheésetai (or) taken, and the other afetheésetai (or) left.”

It is interesting when we look at the meaning of this Greek word paraleemftheésetai used here. Strong’s says that it indicates, “to receive near, i.e. associate with oneself in any familiar or intimate act or relation.” The word is interpreted elsewhere in the King James Version as ‘receive’, ‘take unto’ or ‘take with’. The company that are therefore received by Christ in this passage are those that have been brought into an intimate mystical union with Him through salvation; they are His elect. This narrative is unquestionably referring to the catching away of the saints, and the marriage of the lamb.

This is the same word that Christ used in John 14:3 when He promised His disciples that He would come again to receive them, saying, “In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and paraleémpsomai (or) receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”

Interestingly, the word used here to describe the second party in view is the Greek word afetheésetai, which carries the meaning to forsake, put away or lay aside. This is the fate that awaits the wicked alone when Christ comes in all His glory.

No one that has taken the time to examine the meaning of the Greek words for “taken” and “left” can surely deny that the definition of “taken” is manifestly positive and the definition of “left” is patently negative.

Q. What then happens to those left behind?

A. The Lord’s solemn warning in the midst of the aforementioned narrative confirms the answer, and is in complete agreement with Christ’s unambiguous preceding comments in the same chapter, and every other explicit passage in Scripture. He makes it abundantly clear that instant and complete destruction befalls the wicked. He solemnly counsels the disciples, “Remember Lot's wife.”

Remember Lot's

Q. Why must we “remember Lot's wife”? What befell her?

She got caught in the escape out of Sodom because her heart was still there. Despite being fully aware of the impending destruction, Lot's wife’s heart was located in Sodom and towards the awful iniquity; this was despite the fact that she also desired to be with the people of God. Notwithstanding, Genesis 19:26 says of Lot, his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.”

Her foolish refusal to once-and-for-all turn her back on Sodom caused her to be instantly and completely destroyed. Through her un-preparedness, she was immediately cast into a lost hell – damned and doomed for all eternity – without hope and without Christ.

What Christ is therefore warning in this reading is this: ‘Remember Lot's wife because she was found wanting on the day when God finally poured out His judgment upon the wicked; be warned because His second coming will similarly expose the heart of every hypocrite, although on this occasion it will be for the very final time. Those left behind will face the same punishment as Lot’s wife – total destruction.

When Noah left the world of his day and entered into the ark
there were many left lying in beds and grinding at mills to receive
the wrath of God and therefore destruction. The same happened in Lot's day. The same will happen at Christ's Coming.

After Christ described the destruction that accompanies His return, He talks about one being rescued the other being destroyed. Jesus tells us that those left behind will suffer the same total, immediate and awful doom that Noah's world and Sodom suffered in their day (Luke 17). Once the ark door closes that is it. It is too late.

Where ever the carcass is there the eagles will be gathered together

The disciples then ask: “Where, Lord?” Christ replies: “Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.” Eagles flock to where there is prey. Where bodies lie that is where they will congregate. Death and destruction mark the aftermath of God’s judgment. Whilst God’s people are rescued the wicked perish in destruction.

The eagles devour those left behind. Rev 19 correlates.
 
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So, is it wrong (now) to ask you to bring hard Scripture to the table?

When you ask someone for scripture (like you did me) and I posted the scriptures for you, then you act like no scripture was posted and start slinging insults to people.

A real class act you are, lol.