The good man that turned bad out of necessity

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You have a limited vocabulary, and your meaning was clear from the start.
I wanted you to say it. To acknowledge it. But why would you?

And here you go, "you have a limited vocabulary", what a laugh! You have zero idea. Just making noise.
 

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I'm not into your games. The best way to disinterest me in a post is to write in manipulative ways.

Then spend your time wisely. Don’t read or post to me.


You say I won't want to hear it . . . I take you at your word. And stop reading, and move on, because whatever follows that, I'm not interested.

His loss. I can help him with or without you.
 

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His loss. I can help him with or without you.
Sounds like your loss, actually. People want to get a return on their provocations.

"Oh no, it's not for me . . . don't you want to help . . . that person?" It's another version of triangulation, which you do routinely.

What's interesting to me about this thread is the psychology that's on display.
 

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I wanted you to say it. To acknowledge it.

I acknowledged that I knew another word, a synonym, for the word that you used.

But why would you?

There was no need for me to say the synonym you had in mind. Your meaning was clear without it.

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Readers, this isn’t the first time that he has called me dishonest. You may not know that but he does.

And here you go, "you have a limited vocabulary", what a laugh!

One word is a limited vocabulary.

You have zero idea. Just making noise.

See above.
 

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Sounds like your loss, actually.

You not helping him is his loss, not mine.


People want to get a return on their provocations.

You have your reward.

"Oh no, it's not for me . . . don't you want to help . . . that person?" It's another version of triangulation, which you do routinely.

It wasn’t for me. It was for him. There’s only one reason why someone wouldn’t respond to a cry for someone to help someone else.

What's interesting to me about this thread is the psychology that's on display.
 

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It wasn’t for me. It was for him. There’s only one reason why someone wouldn’t respond to a cry for someone to help someone else.
If he has anything to say to me or ask me he is perfectly capable. You triangulate, I've seen that routinely from you.
 

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Does my answer to your question influence your decision whether or not to continue speaking to me?
No, not really. But then I hardly know whether to believe you or not. Whether this is truly your preference, or merely the appearance you want to project. Since I lack confidence in your veracity, it's not really a factor.
 

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You not helping him is his loss, not mine.
My not responding to the way you want is your loss, not his.

It wasn’t for me. It was for him. There’s only one reason why someone wouldn’t respond to a cry for someone to help someone else.
Parrot that all you like, but it doesn't change facts. If Riven wants anything from me he is perfectly capable to contact me. You are using this as a device, and you think I cannot see that? Seriously?
 
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No, not really.

Then you’re playing a game.

But then I hardly know whether to believe you or not.

You’ve already decided that I’m dishonest. Go with it.

Whether this is truly your preference, or merely the appearance you want to project.

You don’t know what to believe.

Since I lack confidence in your veracity, it's not really a factor.

Nothing I say will change that. You’re playing to the crowd.
 

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My not responding to the way you want is your loss, not his.

I’ve already told you that I can help him with or without you. If you don’t want to help him, then don’t.

Parrot that all you like, but it doesn't change facts.

The fact is that you’ve chosen not to help him.

If Riven wants anything from me he is perfectly capable to contact me.

Yes. He doesn’t think he needs anyone’s help.

“Man is better than God. God did nothing.”

He’s in trouble and doesn’t know it. He isn’t going to ask you for help.

You are using this as a device, and you think I cannot see that? Seriously?

You don’t want to know what I think. You wouldn’t believe me if I told you.
 

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You are the one who said to stop posting to you.

You asked if I wanted you to stop posting to me. I said no.

You can’t take no for an answer.

Will you take yes for an answer? What do you want to hear?
 

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No, I don't think Peter was the first Pope but I'm no expert.

Thanks. The reason that I asked is because I’ve put forth the argument in another thread this morning, that the problem we’re discussing goes back to the mixing of the role of the church with the role of the state in the 4th century; the formation of the church-state. The Pope running the show (until the Protestant Reformation.)

The Just War theory comes from the Pope’s theologians, not from the New Testament.

It’s the church-state, not Peter, which said that it’s okay to kill your enemies and here are the parameters (which continued to be refined as time passed.)