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David in NJ

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There are many singular elohim in scripture. The Messiah’s elohim - the Father - is the echad elohim of Jewish monotheism.



The echad elohim is the one (singular) God (singular) of the Bible.



Yahweh - the one (singular) God (singular) - spoke to the OT Saints.

When did “these last days” (Hebrews 1:2) begin?
Elohim is Plural and the Number given by Elohim is 3
Echad Elohim are the 3 that are One/Echad/Unit

Which Elohim Spoke to the OT saints???
YHWH is Correct

Is YHWH the FATHER or the WORD???
 

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When elohim is plural in meaning - which it rarely is in scripture - it could be any number greater than 1.
Yahweh himself spoke to the OT saints.
Elohim is not greater then 3
Elohim irrevocably established as 3 Beginning in Genesis
Elohim never equates to "more then 3" in Scripture

Yahweh himself spoke to the OT saints.
100% CORRECT
 

Matthias

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Elohim is not greater then 3
Elohim irrevocably established as 3 Beginning in Genesis
Elohim never equates to "more then 3" in Scripture

A Jewish monotheist wrote Genesis. You aren’t reading Genesis like a Jewish monotheist.

All of the pagan deities, all of the angels, all of the judges - and there are more than three of them - are elohim.

100% CORRECT
 

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Next time someone asks you "Are you good" Take a moment to think about why you're saying "Yes"
If you're answering yes, it's probably because you've been trained to answer questions in a binary way - yes or no.

If you were trying to answer accurately, "sometimes" or "usually" seem closer to the truth.
 

Matthias

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Jesus is referring to His FATHER, who in fact is God

That’s Jewish monotheism.

Jesus is a Jewish monotheist. His God, his elohim, is only one person, the Father, abba, Yahweh.

”Blessed be the God and Father of our lord Jesus Messiah.” - Peter and Paul (both Jewish monotheists)
 

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That’s Jewish monotheism.
Jewish monotheism is a FALSE god

Then they/Jewish monotheists said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
 

Matthias

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Jewish monotheism is a FALSE god


That’s a wild claim. Jesus, himself a Jewish monotheist, would never agree with it.

The God of the Bible is the God of Jewish monotheism.

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
 

David in NJ

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That’s a wild claim.

Jesus, himself a Jewish monotheist, would never agree with it.
Jesus, himself a Jewish monotheist, would never agree with it.
Then they/Jewish monotheists said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
 

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Then they/Jewish monotheists said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

Jesus himself is a Jewish monotheist. His God is only one person, the Father. That’s a fundamental fact. If his God is someone other than the Father he would have said so.

You’re unable to distinguish between unbelieving Jewish monotheists and believing Jewish monotheists.