The Gospel of Grace:

[dragonfly]

Abraham was under no law and was before the law!

brother dave,

That statement is unbiblical, and the construction of grace you put round it is therefore, misleading.

Genesis 26:2 And the LORD appeared unto him, [Isaac] and said, Go not down into Egypt;
dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: 3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee;
for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware
to Abraham thy father; 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give to thy
seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that
Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

 

[brother dave]

brother dave,

That statement is unbiblical, and the construction of grace you put round it is therefore, misleading.

Genesis 26:2 And the LORD appeared unto him, [Isaac] and said, Go not down into Egypt;
dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: 3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee;
for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware
to Abraham thy father; 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give to thy
seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that
Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Rom 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
Rom 4:13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect:

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


my friend the fact that Abraham was before the law is clear! the charge, commandments and laws in that scripture are the works of His faith! not the law given by moses.
CLEARLY THE SCRIPTURE IS SPEAKING OF THE VOICE OF GOD! NOT THE WRITTEN WORD GIVEN 430 YEARS LATER!

Rom 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
Rom 4:13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect:

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


my friend the fact that Abraham was before the law is clear! the charge, commandments and laws in that scripture are the works of His faith! not the law given by moses.
CLEARLY THE SCRIPTURE IS SPEAKING OF THE VOICE OF GOD! NOT THE WRITTEN WORD GIVEN 430 YEARS LATER!

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
HERE MY FRIEND IS HIS COMMANDMENTS ETC.. THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED! NOT THE LAW OF MOSES!
i wont ask you to admit your charges against me were false but you could at least admit i was not trying to mislead anyone?

WORKS OF FAITH AND WORKS OF THE LAW ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS! THE WORKS OF JAMES ,THAT GIVE LIFE TO OUR FAITH IS NOT WORKS OF LAW! BUT WORKS OF FAITH!

Maybe a law or a commandment is something else to someone who is not occupied with the law of sin and death? i am under
a law? the law of Christ and the royal law of love. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. the word LAW to me is very different than it is to you? a commandment to me is those of 1john to believe and to love! very different to you i bet? and this is His Commandment, to love as He loves you!

 

[ActionsinActs]

Richard, Thank you for your observation made from years of learning and faith.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Even though some 'words' could be picked apart, the overall thesis sums it up clearly, but only to those who have "revelation". Those who do not, either have not receive it yet or never will. They have the choice.

Ultimately, selling, debating, convincing Christ doctrine never truly 'works' since it is man's attempt to accomplish something. A life of faith in the Holy Spirit is what speaks volumes and changes anyone God desires.....

Always great to see a commited believer.

www.ActionsInActs.blogspot.com

 

[brother dave]

it may, say something to you that all you hope to do is establish the law that condemns everyone? and willing to ignore what is known to almost everyone who has studied the bible at all. that Abraham was way before the law of moses! and i know that you knew that but in your zeal to comdemn with the law, you walk in darkness as Peter warned those who forget about being fogiven! they are short-sighted and near to blindness.

 

[ActionsinActs]

The question remains; "who are you"? you are correct in your faith statement if you are speaking about you, your spirit (filled with the Holy Spirit). Your flesh (human body) and your soul are vile and can not please God.

However, is not that so true? God the Father looks at a believer and sees...CHRIST...perfection

www.ActionsInActs.blogspot.com

 

[Axehead]

Hey Dave,

Here is some Tozer for you since he blesses you.

In his book, I Call It Heresy, A.W. Tozer wrote:
"To urge men and women to believe in a divided Christ is bad teaching for no one can receive half of Christ. Any message that presents a Savior who is less than Lord of all cannot claim to be the gospel according to Jesus. He is Lord, and those who refuse Him as Lord cannot use Him as Savior.

The Lord will not save those whom He cannot command. He will not divide His offices. You cannot believe on a half-Christ. We take Him for what He is the anointed Savior and Lord who is King of kings and Lord of all lords! He would not be Who He is if He saved us and called us and chose us without the understanding that He can also guide and control our lives."

The living Lord demands exclusivity. He said in the Sermon on the Mount, “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other” (Matt. 6:24; Luke 16:18). As the loving Lord, He jealously desires that the Christian not be a slave of unrighteousness, but a “slave of righteousness” (Rom. 6:16-19), of Himself. And as the Lord of Righteousness He will necessarily find all selfishness, egoism, and egocentricity to be the opposite of Himself and incompatible with His own Being. As such, He will not tolerate this in us and His holy character will act to “separate” such from His presence in us as He functions in grace to overcome that which is not of Him. If, as the Holy Lord, He did not deal with all selfishness and sin contrary to Himself, then He would present Himself as an impotent lord, a figurehead lord, a “lord in name only,” a Lord that does not act in accordance with Who He is. This cannot be, for God does what He does, because He is Who He is.

The Christian is not just redeemed, a “sinner saved by grace,” but the Christian is restored to God’s intent for mankind.

Sanctification is the process of allowing the holy character of God to be manifested in the behavior of regenerated men.
Jim Fowler

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (JESUS)

Axehead

 

[brother dave]

Hey Dave,

Here is some Tozer for you since he blesses you.

In his book, I Call It Heresy, A.W. Tozer wrote:
"To urge men and women to believe in a divided Christ is bad teaching for no one can receive half of Christ. Any message that presents a Savior who is less than Lord of all cannot claim to be the gospel according to Jesus. He is Lord, and those who refuse Him as Lord cannot use Him as Savior.

The Lord will not save those whom He cannot command. He will not divide His offices. You cannot believe on a half-Christ. We take Him for what He is the anointed Savior and Lord who is King of kings and Lord of all lords! He would not be Who He is if He saved us and called us and chose us without the understanding that He can also guide and control our lives."

The living Lord demands exclusivity. He said in the Sermon on the Mount, “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other” (Matt. 6:24; Luke 16:18). As the loving Lord, He jealously desires that the Christian not be a slave of unrighteousness, but a “slave of righteousness” (Rom. 6:16-19), of Himself. And as the Lord of Righteousness He will necessarily find all selfishness, egoism, and egocentricity to be the opposite of Himself and incompatible with His own Being. As such, He will not tolerate this in us and His holy character will act to “separate” such from His presence in us as He functions in grace to overcome that which is not of Him. If, as the Holy Lord, He did not deal with all selfishness and sin contrary to Himself, then He would present Himself as an impotent lord, a figurehead lord, a “lord in name only,” a Lord that does not act in accordance with Who He is. This cannot be, for God does what He does, because He is Who He is.

The Christian is not just redeemed, a “sinner saved by grace,” but the Christian is restored to God’s intent for mankind.

Sanctification is the process of allowing the holy character of God to be manifested in the behavior of regenerated men.
Jim Fowler

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (JESUS)

Axehead

ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL? you want to condemn and put all under the bondage of the law!
We who beleive the truth, SEE CLEARLY! THAT THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH AND LOVE IS GODS LAW! that which pleases Him above all else!
you guys seem to have neither? or very little of one?
A.W. TOZER would laugh at your doctrines! of unsaving Abraham! and he never put up we those like you and your holy few!

and according to your doctrine he may not even be saved anyway?

you guys go around to condemn others! and refuse to enter into true relationship with God yourselves! you strain at a gnat and swollow at a camel. IF YOU, DO NOT WALK IN THE LAW OF FAITH AND LOVE? YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM!

ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL? you want to condemn and put all under the bondage of the law!
We who beleive the truth, SEE CLEARLY! THAT THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH AND LOVE IS GODS LAW! that which pleases Him above all else!
you guys seem to have neither? or very little of one?
A.W. TOZER would laugh at your doctrines! of unsaving Abraham! and he never put up we those like you and your holy few!

and according to your doctrine he may not even be saved anyway?

you guys go around to condemn others! and refuse to enter into true relationship with God yourselves! you strain at a gnat and swollow at a camel. IF YOU, DO NOT WALK IN THE LAW OF FAITH AND LOVE? YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM!

This group and others like them live in bondage and slavery to there own sinful flesh. they like the religious class of the Lords day, reject true salvation in attempting to save themselves by there own works of flesh. They like satan,go about seeking whom they may devour with there guilt and doctrines of death.
For us who know Christ Jesus, He is the very breath of life. To seek to seperate others from Him is as to commit murder by doctrine. This group goes about to seperate all they can from Him! They commit the greatest of crimes and when any stand against them? they attempt to play "nice church" games? i see them for what they are! and i know many of my true brothers in Christ may not understand nor agree with my bold attitude toward them? So as Smith Wiggelsworth might say to those who questioned his methods? the devil is not moved by 'nice church' word games!

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

 

[Trekson]

Well, without reading all 386 replies I don't know if anyone's made this observation or not. In my opinion, it is impossible for anyone, christian or not to live their life without sinning. The only person that ever could is Christ. Christians will never be sinless, but as we mature in Christ our goal will be to sin less.

 

[haz]

Hi, anybody, is there a way to put the vile and disgusting people here on ignore?

Hi whitestone,

You conveniently ignore the confrontational style of those on your side of the fence (especially your friend Episkopos) whilst you call similarly confrontational opponents 'vile and disgusting'. Your prejudice and inappropriate criticism will not help your standing here and will stifle discussion even further.

ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL? you want to condemn and put all under the bondage of the law!
We who beleive the truth, SEE CLEARLY! THAT THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH AND LOVE IS GODS LAW! that which pleases Him above all else!
you guys seem to have neither? or very little of one?
A.W. TOZER would laugh at your doctrines! of unsaving Abraham! and he never put up we those like you and your holy few!

and according to your doctrine he may not even be saved anyway?

you guys go around to condemn others! and refuse to enter into true relationship with God yourselves! you strain at a gnat and swollow at a camel. IF YOU, DO NOT WALK IN THE LAW OF FAITH AND LOVE? YOU DO NOT KNOW HIM!


This group and others like them live in bondage and slavery to there own sinful flesh. they like the religious class of the Lords day, reject true salvation in attempting to save themselves by there own works of flesh. They like satan,go about seeking whom they may devour with there guilt and doctrines of death.
For us who know Christ Jesus, He is the very breath of life. To seek to seperate others from Him is as to commit murder by doctrine. This group goes about to seperate all they can from Him! They commit the greatest of crimes and when any stand against them? they attempt to play "nice church" games? i see them for what they are! and i know many of my true brothers in Christ may not understand nor agree with my bold attitude toward them? So as Smith Wiggelsworth might say to those who questioned his methods? the devil is not moved by 'nice church' word games!

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Hi brother dave,

Have you noticed that the works crowd here only see themselves sanctified if there is physical proof in having a perfect lifestyle/behavior?
I guess that means the thief on the cross who believed on Jesus, calling him 'Lord', was not sanctified.

But Heb 10:10 says:
By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[Episkopos]

Well, without reading all 386 replies I don't know if anyone's made this observation or not. In my opinion, it is impossible for anyone, christian or not to live their life without sinning. The only person that ever could is Christ. Christians will never be sinless, but as we mature in Christ our goal will be to sin less.

This is the goal of all religions...and the subject of many new year's resolutions.

But have you no more respect for the gospel and the power of God than this? Is there not more power in the blood of Christ than what your declaration suggests? Was Jesus just a holy man who sinned and called others after Him to do the best they can...just like He???

This idea of the Adamic nature being stronger than Christ even after the death of the old man and the receiving of the new divine nature is from unbelief to be sure. But it also denies that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh...flesh just like ours. This is the gnosticism that invades the church today.

Richard is honest in that he doesn't believe Jesus had flesh like ours...somehow Jesus had an alien flesh that was not weak like ours...it could not be tempted.

But this beliittles the truth and puts Jesus into a false light. It belittles the sufferings of Christ. And this is done without any fear that God will judge them very hard for it. But then one would have to have actual faith to produce this type of fear.

So then how can we not deduce that this gnostic wind of doctrine is taken up by those who have never really known Jesus Christ? Is this not the delusion sent to those who have no love for the truth???

 

[haz]

Hi Trekson,

I see Episkopos has set his sights on you.
No doubt you've already read enough posts here to have some idea of the debate going on here over 'grace'.

My advise is beware of the leaven (doctrine) of Episkopos.

 

[Episkopos]

Hi Trekson,

I see Episkopos has set his sights on you.
No doubt you've already read enough posts here to have some idea of the debate going on here over 'grace'.

My advise is beware of the leaven (doctrine) of Episkopos.

My sights are on Christ. If I hear a voice out in left field I call out to them to help them with their direction. It is the least I can do to help fellow seekers. :)

Have you perhaps an interest in others NOT attaining more than say...yourself?

[size="+1"]"When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent for absorbing positive knowledge". - Albert Einstein[/size]

 

[whitestone]

maybe you want a chance to answer? and if you cant take and defend a doctrine that attempts to overturn others faith! i promise you will not like me! nor my sharp rebuke! can you talk scripture? or just how your feelings get hurt ,somtimes ,when the big boys dont let you play?

you guys are amazing in your hypocricy! you defend ones actions? and try to condemn another? you stack guilt upon all you meet and corrupt the Word of God! and get your feelings hurt ? when someone confronts you? i dont play nice christian with'' the accuser of the brethren''! i defend the brothers with a sharp two-edged sword that cuts to your unbelieving heart!

And i have a great idea! you guys go to another post? i will stay here and you dont mess with this gospel and you will never hear from me again! that way none of you guys get your feelings hurt anymore!

Hello! Anybody? Is there a way to "ignore" or otherwise turn off the Godless self-diefied members who post?

My sights are on Christ. If I hear a voice out in left field I call out to them to help them with their direction. It is the least I can do to help fellow seekers. :)

Have you perhaps an interest in others NOT attaining more than say...yourself?

"When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent for absorbing positive knowledge". - Albert Einstein

We sure have to wade through the tares and goats to find those who seek direction though eh? I've never seen such horrid examples of ungodliness expressed against the Saints of God as on this website.
I sure have appreciated meeting You Episkopos, and Axehead Dragonfly and Prentis. I haven't seen evidence of any other Christians here, a couple or so of nice folk yes, but most who post so far are filled with the spirit of contention. Some are extremely full of vile false accusations, not to mention their horrid twisting of scriptures to support false doctrines. Most here I've had experience with have an aversion to inviting the Lord into their lives, to be crucified or to be raised up in righteousness and let Jesus lead them in a sinless life. Instead, they are offended to think someone else is made sinless, and they rant against the Word and against the Lord's annointed. It is so sad.
May you be blessed as you speak His Truth. May you persevere through the fiery darts of the devil shot at you here on this site. Take care brother.
Whitestone

 

[Axehead]

I find it very difficult to believe that Dave has worked on the streets with harlots and the like. The reason that I find it hard to believe is because I have and when you minister to those that have severe addictions, bondages and deadly lifestyles (drug abuse, promiscuity, etc), you encounter many that need deliverance (casting out of demons and a strong ministry of the Word) and after they have come to Christ and experienced being set free, you then begin to teach them how to "hold fast to Christ" and how to maintain their deliverance. This "maintaining of deliverance" is the walk of holiness and righteousness and Dave, you should know this and support this and I cannot figure out why you do not. Do you just preach the gospel and count the converts and go on your way? Do you not disciple them and if you do, then what is involved?

Please tell me what you teach your new converts in the way of maintaining their deliverance and growing in this new life in Christ, so that they are not again entrapped in the clutches of sin.

2Pet 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. ( and what was the beginning? They were lost and headed to a Christ-less eternity )

Axehead

 

[whitestone]

Hi whitestone,

You conveniently ignore the confrontational style of those on your side of the fence (especially your friend Episkopos) whilst you call similarly confrontational opponents 'vile and disgusting'. Your prejudice and inappropriate criticism will not help your standing here and will stifle discussion even further.

Dear Haz,
I have witnessed nothing but Christ's behavior in Episkopos, as well as truth. The same in Dragonfly and Axehead. As opposed to others here, they are obviously led by the Spirit of Christ with no works of their own manifest. That is why I recognized them immediately. Episkopos is kind, nice, he is intelligent and filled with the Holy Spirit. So are the other two. Not so with many of whom you appear to run with, your salvation is very iffy because of such wickedness toward a Son of God and ignorance of scriptures. It is definetly "goat" behavior. I bear witness in the Holy Spirit. A word to the wise.
With those who falsely accuse Episkopos (or me), such as YOUR statement right here, I see only the works of the devil in speaking great swelling vain words of self importance by slamming men much wiser and more holy than yourselves. Word to the wise.
I haven't seen you speak truth once when you contend with Episkopos, nor have I seen one shred of Godliness with you or them who contend against the Word of God as they delivered it to you.
I bear witness with the Holy Spirit. You better get your act together.
Word to the wise in hope.

If you and veteran and bro dave and certain others here can't deal with the scriptures it is your knee-jerk reaction to crucify the message bringer, just like the wicked did Christ. So, I wanted to know how this website might provide to click on an "ignore" button because of the arrogant serpent biting of the devil's minions infesting this website. I'm just not used to such satanic behavior from others. You need to learn how to listen to the Holy Spirit and lay your hand on your mouth when one of them speaks. For they have an understanding that is way beyond anything you spew forth. That is all.

Whitestone

 

[Trekson]

Well, Episkopos, I look at it this way, Yes, Christ was flesh like us but there was one difference. In order to be the perfect, sinless, sacrifice He had to born with out the basic sin nature that all men are born with. That is why He was conceived by the Holy Spirit as it is through the males that this unfortunate lineage is passed on. Did this make Christ's perfection easier? A little but not by much! The law was still the law. However, my attempts at righteousness account for nothing, as the word says, they are as filthy rags in the sight of God. Theoretically, I could live a perfect, sinless live and still not attain the righteosness of Christ. When God looks at me as a believer, He sees Christ's shed blood of atonement covering me. Thankfully, God is our judge, not men and some of us might need a "thicker coat" of atonement, but God graciously provides that as long as we trust in Him and Christ's finished work on the cross.

 

[Episkopos]

Well, Episkopos, I look at it this way, Yes, Christ was flesh like us but there was one difference. In order to be the perfect, sinless, sacrifice He had to born with out the basic sin nature that all men are born with. That is why He was conceived by the Holy Spirit as it is through the males that this unfortunate lineage is passed on. Did this make Christ's perfection easier? A little but not by much! The law was still the law. However, my attempts at righteousness account for nothing, as the word says, they are as filthy rags in the sight of God. Theoretically, I could live a perfect, sinless live and still not attain the righteosness of Christ. When God looks at me as a believer, He sees Christ's shed blood of atonement covering me. Thankfully, God is our judge, not men and some of us might need a "thicker coat" of atonement, but God graciously provides that as long as we trust in Him and Christ's finished work on the cross.

Can you see that as Mediator between the Father and men...Jesus took on flesh in order to make a way for those who would follow Him to walk as He walked. What I see missing from so many professing believers is faith ...not just in what Jesus accomplished but also in the attaining of the walk that Jesus died and was resurrected to provide us with. How could the Adamic nature be more powerful than the new nature that Jesus gave Himself in order to provide us with??? There is a major part missing in the faith and expectation of many.

So the new birth gives us a new start to be exactly like Jesus. After that it depends on our faith and faithfulness to remain in Him who causes us to overcome just as He overcame. Too many put more faith in the power of sin through the adamic nature than the power of God in Christ through the new nature paid for at the cross.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Hello! Anybody? Is there a way to "ignore" or otherwise turn off the Godless self-diefied members who post?

Sort of Sounds like you are describing yourself.

With all respect whitestone , you have a confused understanding of theology , and anyone who does not willingly follow you , you call Godless.

I suspect you are one of those folks who confuse emotion with Spirit.... if it "feels good" to you it must be right .... if it does not "feel good" to you .... you call us Godless.

Yet you cannot even distinguish between The Nation of Israel , and the Gentile Christian Church.

Yes I know .... saying that makes me double godless ....

Right ?

 

[brother dave]

Well, Episkopos, I look at it this way, Yes, Christ was flesh like us but there was one difference. In order to be the perfect, sinless, sacrifice He had to born with out the basic sin nature that all men are born with. That is why He was conceived by the Holy Spirit as it is through the males that this unfortunate lineage is passed on. Did this make Christ's perfection easier? A little but not by much! The law was still the law. However, my attempts at righteousness account for nothing, as the word says, they are as filthy rags in the sight of God. Theoretically, I could live a perfect, sinless live and still not attain the righteosness of Christ. When God looks at me as a believer, He sees Christ's shed blood of atonement covering me. Thankfully, God is our judge, not men and some of us might need a "thicker coat" of atonement, but God graciously provides that as long as we trust in Him and Christ's finished work on the cross.

again a friendly word for any coming to this thread. i dont know why for sure but some little group, that unlike us hide there names behind odd titles? Be very aware that this bunch can not sleep at night unless they have overturned the faith of others! at least one of them, epi,(must be his street name) has denied the Apostle Pauls authority in scripture. and none of them are even willing to accept the salvation of Abraham? for they deem no one can be saved apart from the works of the law of moses? they refuse to give any formal doctrine and teach such a complex mess that it confuses even them sometimes! I CALL IT THE DOCTRINE OF BEING CONDEMNED! it really sounds as a kabbalist or 7th day group? why they have picked this forum? i do not know? but it is impossible !that so many ,being so ignorant as to unsave Abraham? could by chance ,pick the same forum?
so beware, and pray in the Spirit if you have the gift? you have now entered the UNSAVED ZONE!

Hello! Anybody? Is there a way to "ignore" or otherwise turn off the Godless self-diefied members who post?



We sure have to wade through the tares and goats to find those who seek direction though eh? I've never seen such horrid examples of ungodliness expressed against the Saints of God as on this website.
I sure have appreciated meeting You Episkopos, and Axehead Dragonfly and Prentis. I haven't seen evidence of any other Christians here, a couple or so of nice folk yes, but most who post so far are filled with the spirit of contention. Some are extremely full of vile false accusations, not to mention their horrid twisting of scriptures to support false doctrines. Most here I've had experience with have an aversion to inviting the Lord into their lives, to be crucified or to be raised up in righteousness and let Jesus lead them in a sinless life. Instead, they are offended to think someone else is made sinless, and they rant against the Word and against the Lord's annointed. It is so sad.
May you be blessed as you speak His Truth. May you persevere through the fiery darts of the devil shot at you here on this site. Take care brother.
Whitestone

I WILL ASK YOU AGAIN? is Abraham jusified ? saved in his faith? i have decided to be nice tonight . and reach out to you in an honest discussion of scripture, if you desire to have one?

i thought this was funny so i think i will post it again!
who are you guys going to unsave today? i was thinking that you all should take a good look at Peter? because he denied the Lord three times! and the Lord Himself said if you deny me before man i will deny you before My Father! so their, is one you guys can condemn! this doctrine of yours that condemns Abraham? and anyone else that dont agree with your wicked attempt to overthow the faith of others! a first year bible student has more understanding than to cast doubt on Abraham! i wonder is this the ministry of righteousness? or condemnation? to minister means to serve out of to give! sounds like all you guys minister is death and condemnation!
hang on John they are coming after you next!

 

[Axehead]

Well, Episkopos, I look at it this way, Yes, Christ was flesh like us but there was one difference. In order to be the perfect, sinless, sacrifice He had to born with out the basic sin nature that all men are born with. That is why He was conceived by the Holy Spirit as it is through the males that this unfortunate lineage is passed on. Did this make Christ's perfection easier? A little but not by much! The law was still the law. However, my attempts at righteousness account for nothing, as the word says, they are as filthy rags in the sight of God. Theoretically, I could live a perfect, sinless live and still not attain the righteosness of Christ. When God looks at me as a believer, He sees Christ's shed blood of atonement covering me. Thankfully, God is our judge, not men and some of us might need a "thicker coat" of atonement, but God graciously provides that as long as we trust in Him and Christ's finished work on the cross.

Trekson,

We all agree that "our attempts at righteousness account for nothing", but the minute we are saved, Jesus begins leading us in His way and (which is away from our SELF). The only thing that accounts for anything is that we do what He tells us to do by His Spirit.

Do you agree or do you think what He tells you to do are just suggestions?

Axehead