Yes, but not exclusively: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world (1Jn 2:2 ).
The Gospel of Reconciliation
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2 Cor 5:17-19
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
There's a reconciled world, a world of individuals who were reconciled to God, not by their faith or repentance, or baptism, nor anything they did, but solely by Jesus Christ, which means His Person and Work on their behalf. He reconciled this world to God in His very own Person !
Now exactly what world is this ? Is it everyone without exception ? Absolutely not, but its a world that is in Christ, for God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. There's a world of people God had Chosen for Himself in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him[Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
God was in [the sphere of] Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
This reconciliation did not occur outside of the sphere of Christ ! 23
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
There's a reconciled world, a world of individuals who were reconciled to God, not by their faith or repentance, or baptism, nor anything they did, but solely by Jesus Christ, which means His Person and Work on their behalf. He reconciled this world to God in His very own Person !
Now exactly what world is this ? Is it everyone without exception ? Absolutely not, but its a world that is in Christ, for God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. There's a world of people God had Chosen for Himself in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him[Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
God was in [the sphere of] Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
This reconciliation did not occur outside of the sphere of Christ ! 23
Precisely, 1500 years after the Gospel was given.
All false teachings are based on scripture. It is very easy to determine false teachings when the teachings are 1500 years after the fact.
It is also quite obvious when one needs to change the wording, not just the meaning, but the wording of a text so it fits the errant view of Calvin. How can a theory like Calvin's be Truth when it orginates 1500 years after the Apostles who received all Truth in the beginning and it was once given.
Did the Holy Spirit fail to give us all Truth in the beginning? Do you believe what scriptures says, or do you need to change it to fit a false theory.
Enemies of God by nature
All of Gods Elect, Sheep are by nature like all others enemies of God Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Eph 2:2-3
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
However the huge difference is, Gods Elect even in this sinful condition, they have been Justified, washed in the Blood of Christ and are clothed with His righteousness, whereas the non elect are not, they are under Gods condemnation and wrath !
All of Gods Elect, Sheep are by nature like all others enemies of God Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Eph 2:2-3
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
However the huge difference is, Gods Elect even in this sinful condition, they have been Justified, washed in the Blood of Christ and are clothed with His righteousness, whereas the non elect are not, they are under Gods condemnation and wrath !
Your contention was to say two books of the Gospel , Matthew and John, are Calvinist.
That is not the same as claiming what you have regarding Calvinism.
Furthermore,and I am hoping this has been noted well prior to my post, the Reformed doctrine was created out of a revolt against Catholicism.
This Reformed,Re-formed , Gospel predated John Calvin.
If we step away from the T.U.L.I.P synopsis that often causes conflict among Protestants, Protest-ants,born out of the Reformation as a whole, and read the points Jesus articulated as to how one finds their way into his Salvation they realize Jesus taught first what Martin Luther observed in one of his rare works.
“If we believe it to be true that God foreknows and predestines all things (Romans 8:29), that he can neither be mistaken in his foreknowledge nor hindered in his predestination, and that nothing takes place but as he wills it (as reason itself is forced to admit), then on the testimony of reason itself there cannot be any free choice in man or angel or any creature.”
Martin Luther, On the Bondage of the Will, in Luther and Erasmus: Free Will and Salvation, Library of Christian Classics, ed. E. Gordon Rupp and Philip S. Watson (Philadelphia: Westminster, 1969), page 332.
One of the blessed truths about reconciliation by the death of Christ which men naturally overlook and even ignore is the that being reconciled to God by the death of His Son Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Its relevant with non imputation of sin 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Thats why when sinners Christ died for are still in nature enemies with God, sinful and ungodly, that's why they are still reconciled to God, because all their sinfulness, disobedience, unbelief, rebellion isn't charged, imputed to them, instead the verdict for them is reconciled to God ! 23
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Its relevant with non imputation of sin 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Thats why when sinners Christ died for are still in nature enemies with God, sinful and ungodly, that's why they are still reconciled to God, because all their sinfulness, disobedience, unbelief, rebellion isn't charged, imputed to them, instead the verdict for them is reconciled to God ! 23
I would bet that you think you are one of those who have been selected for reconciliation. But of course, in Calvinism you have no way of knowing that.
never stated such, nor implied such.
Many things were changed by the RC, but unfortunately, Luther and Calvin threw out the baby with the bath water.
In the history of the Church, there has never been such a thing as reformed before Calvin. The two concepts of predestination and Original Sin was written about by Augustine. Both were declared heretical in subsequent years, long before Calvin came along.
The Church also declared Calvinism heretical in the Synod of Jerusalem in 1672.
Both men did not understand the relationship between predestination and foreknowledge. Also the whole of scripture is based on man's free will. From Adam to the present time. The concept of man not having free will, turns scripture on its head.
That is patently untrue.
The Gospel of Reconciliation
Lets discuss the post. If you want to discuss the incarnation, start a thread on it, I will participate Your statement is about the Incarnation. That is why I asked the question. If you didn't know that, then you don't understand what you stated, they are directly connected.
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"Matt and John are Calvinist. Maybe you should quote (Iraneous, or Titian, Theophilus who lived in the second century or Athanasius who lived in the third century and wrote a book on the Incarnation. They gave to us what the Apostles taught to the first century Christians."
There is nothing to discuss when you are not intellectually honest regarding your own writings.
And non imputation of sin which is interrelated to reconciliation, its also interrelated with forgiveness of sins. Paul in his writing to the Romans in Chapt 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
So the reconciled while enemies/unbelievers by the death of Gods Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, they dont have their sins against God imputed to them also they have been forgiven of their iniquities ,
This all the while they are in themselves were enemies. 23
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
So the reconciled while enemies/unbelievers by the death of Gods Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, they dont have their sins against God imputed to them also they have been forgiven of their iniquities ,
This all the while they are in themselves were enemies. 23
Ah Ha, I just realized to what you are referring. Matt and John are NOT referencing the Gospels. In Post 1076 Brightfame used Matt Poole and John Gill as confirmation sources for his statements. As far as I know, they are Calvinists. Maybe you should read back a few posts before making unfounded assertions.That is patently untrue.
The Gospel of Reconciliation
Lets discuss the post. If you want to discuss the incarnation, start a thread on it, I will participate Your statement is about the Incarnation. That is why I asked the question. If you didn't know that, then you don't understand what you stated, they are directly connected.
"Matt and John are Calvinist. Maybe you should quote (Iraneous, or Titian, Theophilus who lived in the second century or Athanasius who lived in the third century and wrote a book on the Incarnation. They gave to us what the Apostles taught to the first century Christians."
There is nothing to discuss when you are not intellectually honest regarding your own writings.
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In Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
The elect were reconciled to God by the sole death of Christ, which death satisfied for them unto God His Law and Justice. 24
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
The elect were reconciled to God by the sole death of Christ, which death satisfied for them unto God His Law and Justice. 24
Those who were reconciled to God became the elect. God knew who would believe, repent of their sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. It were they who were reconciled. God foreknowing who they would be from even before the creation selected them. They became the elect by that very foreknowledge of God.
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Romans 5:10 doesn't really say what you are trying to make it say. That is a bit of eisegesis in your interpretation.
How they discount the reconciling death of Christ !
Mans religion discounts what Christs death did for all whom He died, it reconciled them to God, it doesn't say it reconciled God to them. Now read it carefully Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now it states as clear as day, that when we[believers] were [past tense] [enemies] present tense, we were [past tense] reconciled to God, and then he writes how, How does it happen according to the sacred writer ?
If you said it was by the death of Christ you are correct. This is an actual and factual reconciliation, both parties are reconciled to one another lest we deem Christs death insufficient to have accomplished just that.
Mans religion insists that Rom 5:10 doesn't speak of men being reconciled to God, but that God is reconciled to men, and now its up to man to reconcile himself to God, stealing the Glory from what Christs death did and attributing it to sinful man ! They say Christs death is merely a insufficient partial reconciliation !
Mans religion discounts what Christs death did for all whom He died, it reconciled them to God, it doesn't say it reconciled God to them. Now read it carefully Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now it states as clear as day, that when we[believers] were [past tense] [enemies] present tense, we were [past tense] reconciled to God, and then he writes how, How does it happen according to the sacred writer ?
If you said it was by the death of Christ you are correct. This is an actual and factual reconciliation, both parties are reconciled to one another lest we deem Christs death insufficient to have accomplished just that.
Mans religion insists that Rom 5:10 doesn't speak of men being reconciled to God, but that God is reconciled to men, and now its up to man to reconcile himself to God, stealing the Glory from what Christs death did and attributing it to sinful man ! They say Christs death is merely a insufficient partial reconciliation !
Reconciliation of the world by Christ to God.
To those who hold a view of some limitation on the work of reconciliation of Christ to God are by ignorance denying who Christ is and what He accomplished for mankind. The doctrine of the Incarnation as understood in scripture is a direct denial of any kind of limited atonement.
Scripture says that man was created from the earth. That makes man consubstantial with creation. At the fall of man, scripture states that mankind and the world was subjected to death, dust to dust. Gen 3:19, Rom 8:20. Scripture also states that Christ was Incarnated by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary. Meaning Christ became man, took on our human nature as His own. Scripture also states that Christ took on our human nature so that He could defeat Satan who held the power of death over His creation, Heb 2:14-16.
In Rom 5:12 scripture states that death spread of all men. All men would die. This death was a permanent death, man lost life. That is he lost an eternal existence, man and the world would return to dust.
God in His mercy permitted death to reign because He also knew that the solution to death would be Christ, His Son would come into this world, become consubstantial with His creation and become man by assuming the very same human nature as every single human being.
We have this concept substantiated by scripture in Rom 5:18, I Cor 15:21-22, Heb 2:9, Col 1:20, II Cor 15:18-19, II Tim 1:10. There is an equal correlation between what happen to mankind and the nature he bore, at the fall, death, and what Christ accomplished by His resurrection, bearing the same human nature raising it to life, an eternal existence.
That is why a limited atonement is a scriptural impossibility and a direct denial of who Jesus is and how He accomplished the salvation of the world from the bondage of death. John 4:42, I John 4:14. It is also an direct denial of the resurrection all mankind at the end of time. I Cor 15:53-54, Rev 20:12-13. It actually denies any eternal existence. If Christ did not raise all the dead, then any faith we might have is all in vain. This is what Paul also states in I Cor 15:12-19. Paul thought it so important that he states it twice to make sure the reader understood clearly.
Life on this earth would be meaningless, empty, in vain. We would all die permanently, body and soul, return to dust.
To those who hold a view of some limitation on the work of reconciliation of Christ to God are by ignorance denying who Christ is and what He accomplished for mankind. The doctrine of the Incarnation as understood in scripture is a direct denial of any kind of limited atonement.
Scripture says that man was created from the earth. That makes man consubstantial with creation. At the fall of man, scripture states that mankind and the world was subjected to death, dust to dust. Gen 3:19, Rom 8:20. Scripture also states that Christ was Incarnated by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary. Meaning Christ became man, took on our human nature as His own. Scripture also states that Christ took on our human nature so that He could defeat Satan who held the power of death over His creation, Heb 2:14-16.
In Rom 5:12 scripture states that death spread of all men. All men would die. This death was a permanent death, man lost life. That is he lost an eternal existence, man and the world would return to dust.
God in His mercy permitted death to reign because He also knew that the solution to death would be Christ, His Son would come into this world, become consubstantial with His creation and become man by assuming the very same human nature as every single human being.
We have this concept substantiated by scripture in Rom 5:18, I Cor 15:21-22, Heb 2:9, Col 1:20, II Cor 15:18-19, II Tim 1:10. There is an equal correlation between what happen to mankind and the nature he bore, at the fall, death, and what Christ accomplished by His resurrection, bearing the same human nature raising it to life, an eternal existence.
That is why a limited atonement is a scriptural impossibility and a direct denial of who Jesus is and how He accomplished the salvation of the world from the bondage of death. John 4:42, I John 4:14. It is also an direct denial of the resurrection all mankind at the end of time. I Cor 15:53-54, Rev 20:12-13. It actually denies any eternal existence. If Christ did not raise all the dead, then any faith we might have is all in vain. This is what Paul also states in I Cor 15:12-19. Paul thought it so important that he states it twice to make sure the reader understood clearly.
Life on this earth would be meaningless, empty, in vain. We would all die permanently, body and soul, return to dust.
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