The Gospel of Reconciliation

[brightfame52]

@Rightglory

Reconciliation of the world by Christ to God.

Thats the elect of the world, God doesnt charge them with sin, so they are all justified and forgiven 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So that proves its limited.

 

[JBO]

Yeah it does say it, however you are not able to receive it.

What you are receiving isn't there. I suspect that you are hearing something that is not in the scriptures but can be found in a number of erroneous and misleading sources.

 

[JBO]

@Rightglory



Thats the elect of the world, God doesnt charge them with sin, so they are all justified and forgiven 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So that proves its limited.

No, reconciliation is a gift. Some accept that gift by believing in Him, some to do not. Any limiting is done, not by God, but by the disbelievers.

 

[brightfame52]

What you are receiving isn't there. I suspect that you are hearing something that is not in the scriptures but can be found in a number of erroneous and misleading sources.

It is there, but you cant receive it.

 

[brightfame52]

No, reconciliation is a gift. Some accept that gift by believing in Him, some to do not. Any limiting is done, not by God, but by the disbelievers.

Thats the elect of the world, God doesnt charge them with sin, so they are all justified and forgiven 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So that proves its limited.

 

[amigo de christo]

No, reconciliation is a gift. Some accept that gift by believing in Him, some to do not. Any limiting is done, not by God, but by the disbelievers.

I said unto you that you shall DIE in your sins , for if you BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE ye shall die in your sins .
BINGO my friend . you are correct .

 

[amigo de christo]

No, reconciliation is a gift. Some accept that gift by believing in Him, some to do not. Any limiting is done, not by God, but by the disbelievers.

and let WHO SO EVER WILL , COME and DRINK of the water of life . YEP .

 

[amigo de christo]

What you are receiving isn't there. I suspect that you are hearing something that is not in the scriptures but can be found in a number of erroneous and misleading sources.

namely CALVIN .

 

[amigo de christo]

I would bet that you think you are one of those who have been selected for reconciliation. But of course, in Calvinism you have no way of knowing that.

calvinism very deadly and very dangerous .
Lets offer up some words JOHN once told the church .
THESE THINGS i write unto you so that you MAY KNOW you have eternal life
and that you MAY BELIEVE on CHRIST JESUS .
john knew what to say and what to teach . I do have one question for many who believe one cannot know
they have eternal life . WHO YA TRUSTING IN .................
cause it sounds like self to me , it sure AINT JESUS THE CHRIST .
as for me , IT BE HE who i shall trust in ............
now lift those hands and praise the LORD .

 

[brightfame52]

@JBO

No, reconciliation is a gift.

That it is, but its not given to all, the blessing of the Gift is that God will not impute sin the reconciled. Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[brightfame52]

I said unto you that you shall DIE in your sins , for if you BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE ye shall die in your sins .
BINGO my friend . you are correct .

That statement cant apply to the reconciled, God doesnt impute sin unto them 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses/sins unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[Rightglory]

@Rightglory



Thats the elect of the world, God doesnt charge them with sin, so they are all justified and forgiven 2 Cor 5:19

First, no place in scripture is there any text that supports a limited atonement. It is a worthless philosophy that denies what scripture teaches about who Christ is and what He accomplished for the world.
Also, you keep misunderstanding the phrase "not imputing sin". The meaning of the phrase is that God overlooked their sins,
Then you also misunderstand the entire text and context, in that there is no mention either directly or implied of the forgiveness of sins.

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So that proves its limited.

So how is the word, world/cosmos limited. It does not state one-half, or a quarter of the world. Col 1:20 is very clear what is included in the word "world". The ONLY reason you need to have a limitation is because your theory, (Calvin's) requires it, which is why Calvinism is not scriptural relative to the Incarnation in this instance.
It denies Christ, His Incarnation, His resurrection/resurrection of all the dead in the last day. It denies that He is the Savior of the world. It denies He defeated death and Satan.

You cannot change out a word, world and insert the word elect, and think you will have a scriptural understanding.
My question to you is, who is the Christ, based on your view?

 

[brightfame52]

First, no place in scripture is there any text that supports a limited atonement. It is a worthless philosophy that denies what scripture teaches about who Christ is and what He accomplished for the world.
Also, you keep misunderstanding the phrase "not imputing sin". The meaning of the phrase is that God overlooked their sins,
Then you also misunderstand the entire text and context, in that there is no mention either directly or implied of the forgiveness of sins.

So how is the word, world/cosmos limited. It does not state one-half, or a quarter of the world. Col 1:20 is very clear what is included in the word "world". The ONLY reason you need to have a limitation is because your theory, (Calvin's) requires it, which is why Calvinism is not scriptural relative to the Incarnation in this instance.
It denies Christ, His Incarnation, His resurrection/resurrection of all the dead in the last day. It denies that He is the Savior of the world. It denies He defeated death and Satan.

You cannot change out a word, world and insert the word elect, and think you will have a scriptural understanding.
My question to you is, who is the Christ, based on your view?

Thats the elect of the world, God doesnt charge them with sin, so they are all justified and forgiven 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So that proves its limited.

 

[Duck Muscles]

Ah Ha, I just realized to what you are referring. Matt and John are NOT referencing the Gospels. In Post 1076 Brightfame used Matt Poole and John Gill as confirmation sources for his statements. As far as I know, they are Calvinists. Maybe you should read back a few posts before making unfounded assertions.

You presume much. Perhaps you should learn how to take responsibility for writing errant statements when that fact is brought to your attention.

 

[JBO]

@JBO



That it is, but its not given to all, the blessing of the Gift is that God will not impute sin the reconciled. Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

It is offered to all who hear the gospel. Some accept it, many do not.

 

[JBO]

Thats the elect of the world, God doesnt charge them with sin, so they are all justified and forgiven 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So that proves its limited.

You quote, again and again, 2 Corinthians 5:19 without, apparently, reading what comes before or after. And because of that you obviously do not really understand what you are reading.

2Co 5:15 and He died for all.....

There is absolutely no way that one could interpret "all" to be limited. In verse 14 Paul used that same statement to show that absolutely everyone was at one time dead in their sins. Everyone was dead in their sins and He died for everyone. The "all" here is all of humanity; it cannot be otherwise.

2Co 5:14 ..... that one died for all, therefore all died;

And int verse 20, Paul said that God is making an appeal through him to beg you to be reconciled to God. All of that shows quite clearly that the Reformed Theology/Calvinist view of election is false. If such a view were really true, then there would be no reason to beg the elect to be reconciled to God, because they in fact would have no choice to be otherwise. It would have been pre-ordained. But, of course, that is in complete contradiction to what Paul is saying in the entire passage of 2 Corinthians 5:11-21.

 

[brightfame52]

It is offered to all who hear the gospel. Some accept it, many do not.

Its no offer, thats your invention into the text,

Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[brightfame52]

You quote, again and again, 2 Corinthians 5:19 without, apparently, reading what comes before or after. And because of that you obviously do not really understand what you are reading.

2Co 5:15 and He died for all.....

There is absolutely no way that one could interpret "all" to be limited. In verse 14 Paul used that same statement to show that absolutely everyone was at one time dead in their sins. Everyone was dead in their sins and He died for everyone. The "all" here is all of humanity; it cannot be otherwise.

2Co 5:14 ..... that one died for all, therefore all died;

And int verse 20, Paul said that God is making an appeal through him to beg you to be reconciled to God. All of that shows quite clearly that the Reformed Theology/Calvinist view of election is false. If such a view were really true, then there would be no reason to beg the elect to be reconciled to God, because they in fact would have no choice to be otherwise. It would have been pre-ordained. But, of course, that is in complete contradiction to what Paul is saying in the entire passage of 2 Corinthians 5:11-21.

Thats the elect of the world, God doesnt charge them with sin, so they are all justified and forgiven 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

So that proves its limited.

The all in vs 14 is of that reconciled world in Vs 19 and they don't have sin imputed to them

 

[JBO]

The all in vs 14 is of that reconciled world in Vs 19 and they don't have sin imputed to them

There is no basis for coming to that conclusion. Moreover, given your interpretation, verse 20 which urges that one be reconciled to God makes absolutely no sense. According to you Paul is speaking about only those who already are reconciled to God.

 

[amigo de christo]

That statement cant apply to the reconciled, God doesnt impute sin unto them 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses/sins unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Who on earth said it did apply to those who believe on JESUS the CHRIST . it applies to those WHO wont come to believe on HIM
You overthink things and through the doctrines of calvin are not seeing the simple truth anymore .
TIME we got up and start preaching the SIMPLE message of the gospel again .
TIME to remind about the dire need to believe on JESUS the CHRIST .
And to do as did the true ones and warn those who reject HIM of the dire wrath they are reaping upon themselves .
Lets kick calvin and other doctrines out and lets make bibical doctrine great again in the churches .