The Great Tribulation Began in 70AD and Continues to This Very Day

[Exegesis]

..."Dispensationalism"...

Just for the record, I am not a Dispensationalist. I'm not a fan of a lot of their teachings.

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 "Future" literal days.

This reply surprised me.

So basically what you are teaching everyone is that none of Daniel's prophecies have happened yet, therefore that makes you one hundred percent correct. How convenient.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

And here I thought Daniel was simply writing what the Angel spoke:

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Silly me.

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

So how long was 'seven times' in these verses?

Daniel 4:16 - "Let his heart be changed from man’s, and let a beast’s heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him."

Daniel 4:23 - "And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;"

Daniel 4:25 - "That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will."

Daniel 4:32 - "And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will."

And why not write down the exact spans of time as you state?

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

You mixed prophecy text with non prophecy text. Not only is your point is irrelevant, but it shows a huge fundamental flaw in your logic and exegesis.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the future armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. Luke 21:24, Rev 11:2

The 70th literal week will see (The Beast/The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time, where (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) will be present on this earth together, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharoh of Egypt in literal plagues brought by the (Two Witnesses) upon this world as often as they will Revelation 11:6, the sealed church is protected from these plagues

The fact that your interpretation relies on a Christian Zionist agenda being fulfilled is already cringe enough for me to reject it:

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For someone with such outrageous exegesis, as well as a huge ultra-arrogant chip on your shoulder, not to mention mountains of hubris, you sure have a lot of nerve telling people how wrong they are... lol. And you do it with such 'authority', good grief. Your over positive assessment of your conclusions are too much for me to take seriously. Dunning Kruger Effect comes to mind.

 

[Exegesis]

Preterism is just one more "doctrine of devils'"..... Hebrews 13:9. (KJV).
One more man made false doctrine.
Avoid it and avoid deceived people who teach it.

Good thing I am not a Preterist.

 

[Davidpt]

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For someone with such outrageous exegesis, as well as a huge ultra-arrogant chip on your shoulder, not to mention mountains of hubris, you sure have a lot of nerve telling people how wrong they are... lol. And you do it with such 'authority', good grief. Your over positive assessment of your conclusions are too much for me to take seriously. Dunning Kruger Effect comes to mind.

In this case, I couldn't agree with you more, regardless that I disagree with the OP. Your assessment of @Truth7t7 is spot on.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, the nations are not in the "Spiritual Realm", but here on earth. Jesus will rule over the nations with a rod of iron during the 1000 years.

No place in Revelation 20:1-6 is the word "Nations" used as you add to scripture trying desperately to create a kingdom on this earth, a very dangerous proposition

The words (The Souls) and (The Dead) are used "Spiritual Realm"

Revelation 22:18KJV
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Many falsely believe and teach the (Rod Of Iron) is some sort of (Rulers Scepter) "Wrong"!

A "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" that a Potter destroys clay vessels with

Jesus returns and destroy's the wicked like a Potter destroy's his vessels with a "Rod Of Iron" its that simple

Sad part is, many have been clearly shown this truth several times, and they continue to teach error

The "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" not a "Kings Scepter" as many falsely believe and teach

Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

"he shall rule them". Jesus is going to rule the nations with a rod of iron during the one thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

Make a timeline chart of your understanding of the time-frame component events in Revelation and post it.

Here are the time frames given in Revelation....

the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6
the 42 months of Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
the time/time/half time of Revelation 12:14
the 3 1/2 days of Revelation 11:9



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Your charts have absolutely no relationship to the truth of scripture, you post them as if they represent the truth of scripture, they don't

 

[Truth7t7]

Therefore, do you have the 70th week ending 3 and 1/2 days after great tribulation begins? Or do you have the 70th week and great tribulation basically ending at the same time? We will call the former A), the latter B).

Roughly speaking the 3.5 "Year" great tribulation starts in the middle of the 70th week that represents 7 literal future days

I dont claim to know the exact day and hour, but I do know Daniel's 70 weeks are literal days and not years, and (The Beast) will be revealed to the world in Jerusalem claiming to be God Messiah to the Jews and Jesus returned to earth for the apostate church that falsely teaches pre-millennialism and Jesus taking a throne of David in Jerusalem on this earth "Deception"

You have the 70 weeks meaning literal weeks consisting of 7 days each. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this means each week consists of 7 literal days, including the 70th week.

Therefore, when the 70th week begins, per your view, since it only consists of 7 literal days rather than 7 literal years, not according to me, according to you, the fact you reject that it can mean a week of years rather than a week of days, this means you have great tribulation beginning 3.5 literal days after the 70th week begins. Which then means there are only 3.5 literal days remaining of this proposed literal 7 day week when you have great tribulation beginning if basic simple 3rd grade math means anything.

Yes the 3.5 year tribulation "Starts" in the middle of the 7 day week when (The Beast) is revealed in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God Messiah to the Jews and Jesus returned to the apostate church, as the future church in Jerusalem flees to the mountains Matthew 24:16

Once again I don't claim to know the exact day and hour, but it's a biblical fact that Daniel's 70 weeks are 490 future literal days that are yet to be fulfilled

Are you going to do what Amils typically do when they encounter their view being debunked? Are you now going to move the goal post and insist the final week is involving years rather than days? Which then would further prove simple 3rd grade math is beyond your level of comprehension. After all, you insist 490 literal days are meant. Obviously, this would mean there are only 7 literal days remaining of the 70 weeks once the first 69 literal weeks have been fulfilled.

69 literal weeks equal 483 literal days. 490 literal days minus 483 literal days equal 7 literal days remaining once the 69 literal weeks have been fulfilled. Which then means you have great tribulation beginning 3.5 days after this literal 7 day week begins. Plus, 483 days + 7 literal years do not equal 490 literal days. They equal 3003 literal days. After all, 483 literal days + one week of years, thus 2520 days, equal 3003 days not 490 days. No one, absolutely no one, including God in heaven, can make any sense of your proposed view.

You mis-represent my claim in trolling childs play, I will post it once again, simple, clear, detailed, and before your eyes

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 literal days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week or 49 day period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks or 434 literal days will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the future armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. Luke 21:24, Rev 11:2

The 70th literal week or 7 literal days will see (The Beast/The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time, where (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) will be present on this earth together, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharoh of Egypt in literal plagues brought by the (Two Witnesses) upon this world as often as they will Revelation 11:6, the sealed church is protected from these plagues

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Douggg]

Your charts have absolutely no relationship to the truth of scripture, you post them as if they reprint the truth of scripture, they don't

Show your timeline chart of the timeframes in Revelation.

Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Read all of Psalms 2. Psalms2 is about the time of Jesus's return to earth to rule over the nations.

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

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Verses 1-3 is talking about the kings of the earth gathering their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven.

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6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

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Jesus will rule the nations of the earth from Jerusalem, i.e. Zion. This is also in Zechariah 14:9-20 that Jesus at His return, will then rule the nations from Jerusalem.

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9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

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verse 9 corresponds to Revelation 19:15. When Jesus returns, He will destroy the armies of the heathen who will have gathered to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven.

 

[Truth7t7]

Just for the record, I am not a Dispensationalist. I'm not a fan of a lot of their teachings.



This reply surprised me.

So basically what you are teaching everyone is that none of Daniel's prophecies have happened yet, therefore that makes you one hundred percent correct. How convenient.



And here I thought Daniel was simply writing what the Angel spoke:

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Silly me.



So how long was 'seven times' in these verses?



And why not write down the exact spans of time as you state?



You mixed prophecy text with non prophecy text. Not only is your point is irrelevant, but it shows a huge fundamental flaw in your logic and exegesis.



The fact that your interpretation relies on a Christian Zionist agenda being fulfilled is already cringe enough for me to reject it:

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For someone with such outrageous exegesis, as well as a huge ultra-arrogant chip on your shoulder, not to mention mountains of hubris, you sure have a lot of nerve telling people how wrong they are... lol. And you do it with such 'authority', good grief. Your over positive assessment of your conclusions are too much for me to take seriously. Dunning Kruger Effect comes to mind.

I'm no Zionist whatsoever, no chip on the shoulder as you falsely claim, scripture strongly suggest a 3rd temple will be built with animal sacrifice re-instituted

Will There Be A Future Temple Rebuilt In Jerusalem, Scripture Suggest There Will Be?​

Isaiah 66:1-4 strongly suggest a rebuilt house/temple dedicated to God by the Jews, with renewed animal sacrifice, this will be an "Abomonation" to the Lord and the cross of Calvary, God will send them a strong delusion

Point Of Interest: The word "Delusion" is used 2 times in the KJV, and they are both associated with a house/temple, and it appears that the scripture presented could be "Parallel Readings" of the same event?

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV

1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11KJV

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Behold]

Good thing I am not a Preterist.

You're not lying unless you teach that : @Exegesis

End-times prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled in AD70

LYING Preterism teaches that every event normally associated with the end times—Christ’s second coming, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment—has already happened.

 

[Truth7t7]

You're not lying unless you teach that : @Exegesis

End-times prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled in AD70

LYING Preterism teaches that every event normally associated with the end times—Christ’s second coming, the tribulation, the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment—has already happened.

Yes I agree 100%, Reformed Preterist Theology in 70AD fulfillment is a "Lie"!

 

[Behold]

Yes I agree 100%, Reformed Preterist Theology in 70AD fulfillment is a "Lie"!

Yes, its a "doctrine of devils".

Hebrews 13:9........(KJV)

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus will rule the nations of the earth from Jerusalem, i.e. Zion. This is also in Zechariah 14:9-20 that Jesus at His return, will then rule the nations from Jerusalem.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus will rule the nations of the earth from Jerusalem, i.e. Zion. This is also in Zechariah 14:9-20 that Jesus at His return, will then rule the nations from Jerusalem.

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom​

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus will rule the nations of the earth from Jerusalem, i.e. Zion. This is also in Zechariah 14:9-20 that Jesus at His return, will then rule the nations from Jerusalem.

Jesus Christ warned his followers against your false teaching, Jesus won't be found anyplace on this earth as you falsely claimed

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"!

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[Zao is life]

abomination of desolation
The Abomination of Desolation was the Crucifixion that ultimately led to the desolation

Brother, in scripture an abomination of desolation refers to one thing and to one thing only: an idol or a thing of sacrilege in the holy sanctuary of God, i.e in God's temple.

The rest of your post shows that you yourself have failed to understand, so those who do understand need to pray for you so that you will perceive what is happening when it occurs:

Matthew 24:15

See
The first mistake most folks make is interpreting the word 'see' as 'seeing physically with the eyes'. We now go to the original Greek:

Strong's Greek 3708: horaó
Properly, see, often with metaphorical meaning: "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see), i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).

Strong's Greek: 3708. ὁράω (horaó) -- To see, perceive, attend to

As we can 'see', there is more than one meaning. So how do we know which meaning is intended? Thankfully, the Holy Spirit gave us the answer right in the verse itself.

let him understand
The instructions are clear. We are to interpret the word 'see' as well as the entire verse itself, through the lens of understanding. In other words, with metaphorical meaning: "to see with the mind" (i.e. spiritually see), i.e. perceive (with inward spiritual perception).

So, what is it that the reader is to understand?

Though you obviously do not realize it, your assertion regarding what the abomination of desolation in the holy place "was", is in fact blasphemous. Extremely blasphemous.

The rest of your post also shows that you believe and adhere to the same popular opinion which fails to make a distinction between the tribulation that began 2,000 years ago, and great tribulation, though scripture itself makes this distinction:

PERSECUTION

Persecution of Jesus: John 5:16

Persecution of Christians: Matthew 5:10-12; John 15:20; Acts 22:4; Acts 26:11; 1 Corinthians 4:12; 1 Corinthians 15:9; 2 Corinthians 4:9; Galatians 1:13 & 23; Galatians 4:29; Galatians 5:11.

Persecution of "the woman" who gave birth to the Messiah: Revelation 12:13.

TRIBULATION

TRIBULATION OF APOSTLES OR CHRISTIANS:-

Matthew 13:21 (Parallel: Mark 4:17); Matthew 24:9 & 29 (Parallel Mark 13:24); John 16:33; Acts 11:19; Acts 14:22; Acts 20:23; Romans 5:3; Romans 8:35; Romans 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 6 & 8; 2 Corinthians 2:4; 2 Corinthians 4:8; 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2 Corinthians 6:4; 2 Corinthians 7:4-5; 2 Corinthians 8:2; Ephesians 3:13; Philippians 1:16; Philippians 4:14; Colossians 1:24; 1 Thessalonians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians 3:3-4 & 7; 2 Thessalonians 1:4, 6-7; 2 Timothy 1:8; 2 Timothy 3:11; 2 Timothy 4:5; Hebrews 10:32-33; 1 Peter 5:9; Revelation 1:9; Revelation 2:9-10, 22; Revelation 7:14.

There are only two verses in the entire New Testament referring to tribulation experienced by non-Christians:-

1. Of all who do evil: Romans 2:9.
2. Of the world as repayment for bringing tribulation upon the saints: 2 Thessalonians 1:6.

GREAT TRIBULATION
[Greek: mégas thlîpsis]​

Mentioned only three times in the New Testament:-

Second mention: "Behold, I will cast her (Jezebel) into a bed, and them (those Christians) that commit adultery with her into mégas thlîpsis (great tribulation), except they repent of their deeds." -- Revelation 2:21

Third mention: "After these things I looked, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palms in their hands. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb.

And one of the elders answered, saying to me, Who are these who are arrayed in white robes, and from where do they come? And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are the ones who came out of great tribulation [mégas thlîpsis] and have washed their robes, and have whitened them in the blood of the Lamb.

Therefore they are before the throne of God, and they serve Him day and night in His temple. And He sitting on the throne will dwell among them. They will not hunger any more, nor thirst any more, nor will the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will feed them and will lead them to the fountains of living waters. And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes." -- Revelation 7:9-10, 13-15.

First mention: "For then shall be great tribulation [megas thlipsis], such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." -- Matthew 24:21-22

* Luke 21:23 uses the word wrath [orgḗ] to describe what was to come upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem (not the word tribulation):

"But woe to those who are with child, and to those suckling in those days! For there shall be great distress [anánkē] in the land and wrath [orgḗ] on this people."

* The Revelation uses the words orge and thumos (wrath) to describe what is to come upon the nations at the hand of an angry God (not the word tribulation).

We can either choose to ignore the clear distinction that the New Testament itself makes between tribulation and great tribulation, or we can acknowledge it, and understand the difference.

As it stands at the moment you will not perceive what the abomination of desolation appearing in the sanctuary of God is when it comes, because you fail to understand what constitutes an abomination of desolation in the holy place - and your assertion regarding what it "was" is already blasphemous. So those who do understand should pray for you.

 

[Davidpt]

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom​

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Strangely enough, I basically agree with you over all here. Yet we still come to entirely different conclusions about the timing of the millennium.

 

[Davidpt]

Jesus Christ warned his followers against your false teaching, Jesus won't be found anyplace on this earth as you falsely claimed

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"!

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

You are the king of conflating things and conflating with things that there is no connection to on top of that. You are clearly one seriously confused person. The passage you brought up is only applicable during Christ's ascension. Per Premil, whether Premil is legit or not, does not matter, because the millennium is meaning after Christ has returned, per that view, and the passage you submitted per Matthew 24 is meaning before Christ returns.. You seriously need to consider changing your username to something that fits you much better, such as False7t7, for instance. Your current username is deceiving and doesn't fit you.

 

[Truth7t7]

Strangely enough, I basically agree with you over all here. Yet we still come to entirely different conclusions about the timing of the millennium.

There is no such thing as a "Millennium" found in scripture

The words "Thousand Years" were used in Revelation 20:4-6 to represent the Lord's "Eternal Spiritual Realm" where one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day, no literal earthly time, it's that simple

That seen in Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lord's "Eternal Spiritual Realm"

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Douggg]

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Zechariah 14 is not referring to the New heaven, New earth, New Jerusalem because the New earth will have no seas. Zechariah 14:8 has seas.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.