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the "holy place" spoke of by Daniel the prophet

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    The "ten horns" is most definitely there; both in Daniel and in Revelation. Those ten horns are representative of "the man of sin; son of perdition" who happens to be "A RACE" of man instead of an individual man. That race is the offspring of Satan and of of Cain. That's why Paul in 11Thes.2 refers to them as, "the "son" of perdition" and "man of sin". They are the same people of "Gog;the Devil"; whom Daniel calls "the prince of Persia". Ezekiel 38 tells us that they are "peoples of "black African" descent"; Libya, Etheopia, Gomer (black Islanders), Togarmah (blacks of the northern parts of Africa). ALL OF THEM, Ezekiel says.You still wanna tell me that these things are not in the Bible??!
    I gave you scriptures; ANY scripture wherein "the ten horns" is mentioned! And, I asked your opinion as to whether those ten horns represents "one" man, or, "a race of man". Do you still refuse to answer that simple question?
    [/QUOTE]I DO study from the King James, and I DO start in Genesis in order to understand all these things. But, unlike you, I DON'T NEED a "Strong's concordance". Nor do I need the writings of ANY theologian or so-called "prophecy expert". My teacher is The Holy Spirit, and there is none better than He!
     
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    Just because you read and use the words in the Bible doesnt make it biblical if God did not interpret it and it doesn't fit his plan I don't care what scripture you pull out of context you can make anything. Yes there are ten horns these are ten Nations/kings horns represent power. Yes there is are descendants that are of Satan through Cain we call them Kennites/Canaanites they are also called Jews who say they are Jews but are not (rev.2 & 3) we can follow them from exodus thru out scripture they infiltrated the Jews and the priest hood and are now throughout the world this has nothing to do with the Black race. They for a large part are descendants of Ishmael we might call them Radical Islam. And if you want to follow Britain and America in prophecy I suggest you study what it says about Manasseh(Briton) and Ephraim(us)
     
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    an added thought here Persia is Iran google the history of Iran and you will see this. The river Euphrates is the approximate dividing line between Iraq and Iran. The son of perdition is Satan. Look in any number of Bible dictionarys.
     
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    Yes, the ten horns represents power, but it's "people" power so to speak. In Daniel and in Revelation the "ten horns" represents a race of people, just as "the ten kings" represents a race. The ten horns = people of black African descent, and the ten kings = people of white European descent. The people of black African descent = the people of the devil, and the people of white European descent = the people of the most High God. AMERICA, and those 2 races of people within AMERICA is the subject of Daniel's prophecies, AND, it is the subject of much of Revelation.Notice Daniel 7:23,24, which is speaking of America, and those two races:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces."24 "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are "ten kings" (the white Europeans) that shall arise: and "another" (another ten horns) shall rise after them; and "he" (the ten horn beast) shall be diverse from the first, and he "shall subdue three kings", (meaning that, in addition to America, "the ten horn beast; the man of sin, son of perdition; people of black African descent", shall bring 3 other European nations under subjection to them.)Notice what else the ten horn beast does in verses 25 and 26. Are not the following things consistant to what the blacks have done in America?25 "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."26 "But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end."Those two verses in Daniel 7 are expressed by John in Rev.17:16,17 this way:16 "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast (upon Babylon; America): these shall hate the *****, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."17 "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."
    While it's true that the "Arab-looking" Jews have some of Cain's blood in them, I can assure you that, it's not the Jews whom are "the ten-horn beast or, "the man of sin; son of perdition". It is those of black African descent, and they are called "Sabeans; men of stature" in Isaiah 45:14, and in Jude.
    [/QUOTE]And so it is that AMERICA (Ephraim) is the subject of end-time prophecies. It is the nation of which Paul says in 11Thes.2, "There shall come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
     
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    an added thought here Persia is Iran google the history of Iran and you will see this. The river Euphrates is the approximate dividing line between Iraq and Iran. The son of perdition is Satan. Look in any number of Bible dictionarys.
    I'm aware that today's apostate preachers are teaching that "Persia" in Ezekiel 38 is in reference to Iran, but it's just not so."Persia", in Ez.38:5 is another name for Satan's "kingdom". (ref. Dan.10:13,20)
     
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    You are totally wrong in your assumptions the ten nations are the one world system New world order and you are completely wrong about Persia it is and always has been Iran your assumption other wise is in error. It is the Radical Muslim leaders in Iran and Ethiopia and Put it has nothing to do with Race it is a HOLY WAR for all souls(people) to choose Christ or Antichrist its about free will of which all will choose one or the other not a race war.God is concerned about souls not race. Radical Islam is Cain decentants religion Allah is not our godThe falling away first is caused by the son of perdition (i.e. Satan)the 1260 days is 3 1/2 years it is half of the seven years (70th week of Daniel) the 3 1/2 years is shortened to 5 mo. When Satan will be released (he is currently held by Michael.)upon the earth Woe to those on earth for the devil has been cast down to them. In the middle of the week(2 1/2 mo)half of the 5 mo.)inthe middlehe will commit abomination of desolation Standing in the holy place where HE ought not,this is the same Arch angle Lucifer of Genesis. As I said you can make the words say anything but God has a plan if you dont know the plan you cant put the pieces in the right place.Persia isnt translated Iran it is Iran to say different is like saying America isnt the USA. It was called persia untill about 1935The Persian Empire was a series of historical empires that ruled over the Iranian plateau, the old Persian homeland, and beyond in Western Asia, Central Asia and the Caucasus. The Persian empire has become what we know today as Persia or more commonly, Iran. The most widespread entity considered to have been a Persian Empire was the Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC) — famous in antiquity as the foe of the classical Greek states — a united Iranian kingdom that originated in the region now known as Pars province of Iran. It was formed under Cyrus the Great, who overthrew the empire of the Medes, and conquered much of the Middle East, including the territories of the Babylonians, the Phoenicians, and the Lydians. Cyrus' son, Cambyses, continued Cyrus' conquests by conquering Egypt.Most of the successive states in Greater Iran prior to March 1935 are collectively called the Persian Empire by Western historians.Now if you ask yourself what Iran(Persia) Ethiopia and Put have in common its not a race but a religious fanaticism(Al Queada)
     
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    Yes, the ten horns represents power, but it's "people" power so to speak. In Daniel and in Revelation the "ten horns" represents a race of people, just as "the ten kings" represents a race. The ten horns = people of black African descent, and the ten kings = people of white European descent. The people of black African descent = the people of the devil, and the people of white European descent = the people of the most High God. AMERICA, and those 2 races of people within AMERICA is the subject of Daniel's prophecies, AND, it is the subject of much of Revelation.
    First let me say that your search for truth is not going very well,and second if I were not secure in my knowledge of my Fathers Word I would very much be offended by your post.Your name says you are searching, let me help you out.Lets start at the beginningGenesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."This is when God created the races male and femaleGenesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."This next verse is what I want to draw your attention toGenesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."Everything that God created, He said it was very good,so this idea of yours that the black race or any other race for that matter are of the devil is totally false.Now let me share with you how are the children of the devilGenesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan] shalt bruise His [Christ's] heel."Eve's seed is our Lord Jesus Christ. While Satan's seed are the children, to the last generation, called the Kenites. Those offspring are born from the sexual union between Eve and Satan [the serpent, and the tree of good and evil]. God is telling us that He will put trouble between Eve's children [through Adam and Seth], and Satan's offspring through Cain, called the Kenites.Do you know who these kenites are?John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."Do you know who the devil is? The devil is Satan, and he goes by many names. In Revelation 12:9; "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world;" In the Garden of Eden Satan was called the "old serpent, and the tree of good and evil"Jesus is telling these Kenites that there father is the devil, who is also called Satan, the dragon, or any of his other names that Satan has because of the roles he has played. Jesus is telling these Kenites that the lust, and murder in your heart is inborn from your father Satan, and you are driven in your spirit to do murder because Satan is your father.This is why Jesus could not be speaking to the brethren of the house of Judah, for their lineage is not of Satan, this is what the plan of God is all about. Keeping the pure lineage that the coming Messiah would be born from. That is why Noah was saved from the flood, as we are told in Genesis 6:9 "THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH; Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,..." In the Hebrew text the word for "perfect" is "tamim", which means "without blemish, as to breed or pedigree". Noah's blood line was pure.Jesus is making it simple, now who was the murderer from the beginning? Most small children could answer that, it was Cain. Genesis 4:8; "And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, And slew him." Cain was a murderer from, or in the beginning.Jesus is telling it just as it is, The "Kenites" are the children [offspring by lineage] of the devil, through Cain. Jesus identified both Satan, and Cain as being their father. So why is it any secret that they would try to murder Christ, they are just like their fathers Cain and Satan.I Chronicles 2:55; "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez [Jerusalem]; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.The lineage of Rechab is not of Israel, and those men standing before Jesus here are the offspring of the Rechab not Jacob or Judah. The duties of the scribes and the priests had been taken over in Babylon, some five centuries prior to Christ birth.This then gets into what happened in the Garden of Eden between Eve and Satan. For what came out of that sexual relationship union was a child, and not apple seeds and apples. The leaves were fig leaves, and not apple tree leaves, and Eve covered her private parts, and not a mask to cover her mouth. As Paul said, Satan wholly seduced Eve in the garden, and from that union came Cain.Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, [but thou art rich] and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."This tribulation is the tribulation of the Antichrist. Remember, John is in the Spirit, and on the "day of the Lord", or "the Lord's Day", which is the last day of this earth age. The seventh trumpet is about to sound. We are living in that generation and this writing is to you and I in our generation. Smyrna was poor in earthly standards, but rich in knowledge and understanding. This Smyrna church knew God's Word, and stood upon their understanding of it. The Church of Smyrna had strength through the Word of God. The Smyrna Church knew the blasphemy of certain people that crept into Smyrna's congregation. These blasphemous people claimed to be of the tribe of Judah, or of the land of Judah, referring to their commitment to God. However, they are "Kenites", and imposters, and are of "the synagogues of Satan". I sincerly hope this post opened your eyes,as to who are of satan,they are the Kenites,and even they can be saved.Will help you out with the 10 horns in my next posthttp://theseason.org/
     
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    Now,lets look at Daniel Chapter 7Of all the generations that have lived on earth, to the creation of mankind, there is one generation that will be tested and tried like none other. My dear friend, you are living in that generation. That generation's starting point was at the establishment of the tiny nation of "Israel" on May 15, 1948. Then we saw the Jews (both good and bad figs) returning to Palestine from all nations of the earth.The reason for such attention to this generation is that Satan and the entire host of fallen angels in heaven will be thrown out of heaven [see Revelation 12:7-10] by Michael. The place they will go to is right here on earth. During Satan's rule on earth, most of the church world today are taught that it will be a time of killing, death, war, disease, famine, and any other hideous things you could possibly imagine. They believe strange stinging insects, like scorpions, will be released and sickness will be running wild.However, through a dream of Margaret MacDonald, a mentally ill woman of Scotland, a vision of a snatching-away of Christians would take place prior to the release of all the hoards of fallen angels and their leader, Satan. This damnable false vision has left much of the entire world star-gazing and in a false sense of security (called the rapture) instead of opening their eyes and ears, and getting prepared for the grand master of all lies and tricks known as Satan, the Antichrist.The vision we are studying in Daniel 7 is not meant for Daniel, but far into the future, and right into our generation. from the very first books of the Bible, through all the prophets of both the Old and New Testaments, they all are giving instructions to you for this time of testing.Daniel was troubled with this dream or vision because it was different. The other visions started with things he could understand, and with empires and people he knew and talked with, like Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon, and so on.In this vision of Daniel 7, he was not shown the actual happening, but those events in the form of symbols. Because of the nature of the vision, the distant time in the future, and so on, God told him simply to write it down and go about his business. "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." (Daniel 12:13.)Daniel 7:15 "I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me." Daniel was upset at the vision he had in the first 14 verses of chapter 7.Daniel 7:16 "I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things." Daniel was troubled and wanted to know the dream's interpretation of all parts of his dream. This vision is given just for us who live in that last generation, yet most Christians stumble on, willing to accept the "traditions of men" from other generations that could have had no concept or idea of what we are going through now.It is a total subversion of all our Biblical standards, redefining the words of God, and watering them down to a point of total deception; and the words and methods to be used by Satan (the Antichrist) will make them stumble right into Satan's houses of harlots that we call churches today.The truth of God's word is being dried up, and substituted with a false (counterfeit) religion that will look, sound, and be so close to what they have been taught. This is why Jesus told us to learn His word so that we are not deceived. Know the "parable of the fig tree", who the "Kenites" are, as well as all the "mysteries" Paul taught dealing with our bodies. The words of the Bible will then have meaning.Here now is the interpretation God revealed to Daniel.Daniel 7:17 "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth." These four kings that arise do not come out of heaven or hell, but everyday life and living upon the earth. What is going to happen is going on right before our eyes, and we see it on television, read it in the papers, and know it as it happens. God is telling Daniel it will be much later, for we know it occurs in our day.Daniel 7:18 "But the saints [set aside ones] of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever." The saints are God's servants who placed the armor of God of Ephesians 6:10-21 on themselves, and they are prepared for Satan's arrival. They know what to expect, and how to combat Satan, when he as the Antichrist comes against them. The saints shall fight against the little horn; and, my friend in Christ, that will be a spiritual battle, a war of words, ideas, deceptions. It will be a war of the mind through false doctrine.That is why we must have the seal the truth of God in our minds. For either the seal, or knowledge of God's Word will be there, or "the mark of the beast" will be there. That mark is the mark of confusion that God will allow you to have, to follow Satan and do his work, while all the time you think he is Jesus Christ. It will be the Antichrist seeking to have you fly with him, and you will for you will do it in ignorance, for your looking for a rapture that will not come.Daniel 7:19 "Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;" This beast will be diverse, and that is why it is called non-descript. It is a system, not an entity like Nebuchadnezzar's empire. The churches' "teeth of iron" (lies and deceptions), and the "nails of brass" (traditions and methods of control) will, and are now, forcing its members and followers to believe traditions, to accept false ideas (such as sodomy and pagan practices), and neglect the truths Jesus Christ said to know.The reason most churches don't teach chapter by chapter and verse by verse is that the method would disprove many of their own traditions.Daniel 7:20 "And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows." The horn that fell is the little horn. This is the identification and description of the Antichrist.Daniel 7:21 "I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;" The Antichrist caused most of the saints of God (Christians) to fall. For we know only the elect of God who had prepared themselves, did not. Satan is the false Jesus.Daniel 7:22 "Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom." This happens at the last trump. The "Ancient of days" that will come is Jesus Christ. That is the end of this earth age, whereby mankind is born of woman. Those saints that have held to the faith, and not followed Antichrist, are the winners, and will jointly rule the kingdom through the millennium with Christ.These events here are not simply salvation, but learning, knowing, and living in the meat of God's word.Daniel 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." You can see this one world system now forming, with the false messiah will rule at its head. That's all it amounts to. The political system, or beast will receive a mortal wound, and end it's world rule for a very brief time, as we read in Revelation 13.Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of the heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." Remember that this beast is as a one world system, and in the beginning, this system takes a political form. We know the form today as the United Nations, with it's ten major agencies, which have the entire world under its ruling charter of international laws, treaties, and trade agreements. However, when the world wakes up to see the strength of this Godless beast, the political form will end. When a political beast is dead, it simply does not function as a government any more. This will set the stage for the coming of the Antichrist, Satan, and his arrival to earth. Why will it be diverse of all kingdoms? Because it's going to be religious, with one ruler. Just listen to most newscasts and much of it deals strictly with affairs of it. It is seeking total control of the entire earth. What the United Nations does, it does only to promote its own agenda. As genocide went on in Cambodia, Bosnia, and elsewhere, the United Nations looked the other way. Kurds were being gassed in Iraq, and entire cities eliminated, and the United Nations' blinders were on. However, years later, after the fact, the United Nations used what it so blatantly overlooked, as the slaughter took place, as the excuse to move against Iraq when it took Kuwait and their oil.The United Nations is still growing and moving to world wide control through its many agencies. We know, though, that the time of "breaking down" and "breaking it to pieces" has not yet come. This is future. However, it is a very close future. We may be talking about months instead of years.Daniel 7:24 "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings." What were those ten horns? The same as the "ten toes" of the image in Chapter 2. These ten horns are ten kings.Who is this that rises after the ten kings? We saw in Revelation that this beast (ten king system) rose from the sea. That sea is the peoples of the world. They are men, or ruling agencies by men. The description in Revelation 13 of the seven that were, and one yet to come is simply Satan's title.Now in Daniel 7:24, the one that shall rise is also Satan. My Christian friend, the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7 is the same "one world system" of the ten kings of Revelation 13. And the one that shall rise after them is Satan, and his role as the Antichrist.Daniel 7:25"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." The three kings that are subdues out of the ten kingdoms, I feel, are the three nations representing Ephraim and Manasseh: the United States, Canada, and Great Britain. Though we talk about three kingdoms, it is still a "one world system", the "wearing out of the saints" is to afflict or deceive the saints. We see today how sodomites, and every other perverted organization, are out to change times (meaning seasons) and laws. The laws today are so twisted and worked over that murdered go free and jaywalkers get time in jail. Good is bad, right is wrong, and the absolute laws of God are diluted to mean little more than vague definitions.The Heavenly Father states here He will allow it for three and one-half years. Jesus says that time will be shortened, and Revelations 9:5 makes it five months.Revelation 9:5 "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."If you do not know the truth before the Antichrist comes, it's too late. It's like the seal of the thunders. The thunder follows the lightening, thus when Satan comes (the lightening) the seal of understanding and being prepared is too late. Upon Satan's [the Antichrist's] arrival, you will be stung as the scorpion and rendered helpless.Daniel 7:26 "But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end." When is the end? At Christ's return. We will have victory then, and this earth age will be over.Daniel 7:27 "And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is and everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him." What is under heaven? The earth! We don't have to worry about the kingdom of the earth, for our kingdom is for ever and ever. As the most precious part of our salvation, Christ gave us an immortal soul body (that shall never die) and that incorruptible body (spiritual) that shall live forever, as we see in I Corinthians15:51-54. I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed." I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." I Corinthians 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." The entire earth will worship Jesus Christ at His return.Daniel 7:28 "Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart." It's easy for you and I to understand and see how, the Jews can reform their nation, because it was done before their eyes. We can see how the world seeks worldwide peace, as most of the people today have lived under the threat of a nuclear holocaust, or wars on a worldwide scale. Television, radio, and word of mouth have shaped all minds of the world, except those of the elect, to accept the idea of putting all law, education, religion, food distribution, and so on under one system; for then all mankind is equal, safe, and secure. However, as this has happened, the blessings of our God given rights are then taken for the sake of the masses.The problem is that the world simply cannot support such a one world system, and very shortly it will collapse. From such confusion as these deceptive, and lying international bandits, the stage is set for the final time of testing, and it will be a deception this world has never seen before. It is then that Michael sends Satan to earth, and through the massive confusion, Satan performs his wonders for the people of the world, and cause them to accept Satan's peace and prosperity. The cost of partaking in that one world system is to worship Satan.How do you worship him? Simply by saying, "He is God".That will be easy for the Christian world, for their "traditions" and "Kenite" twisting of the truth have left most to believe the true messiah is the first on the scene. So, off they go, just like harlots. There will only be a small number who know the truth. They are called "the elect".Now, with all this in mind, is there any wonder that Daniel, at seeing, was confused and disturbed in his heart.This is no reason you should. If you are saved and have prepared yourself, you will not stray, and at Jesus' return, your reign with Christ will also be forever and ever; world without end.http://www.theseason.org/daniel/daniel7.htm
     
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    Now,lets look at Daniel Chapter 7Of all the generations that have lived on earth, to the creation of mankind, there is one generation that will be tested and tried like none other. My dear friend, you are living in that generation. That generation's starting point was at the establishment of the tiny nation of "Israel" on May 15, 1948. Then we saw the Jews (both good and bad figs) returning to Palestine from all nations of the earth.The reason for such attention to this generation is that Satan and the entire host of fallen angels in heaven will be thrown out of heaven [see Revelation 12:7-10] by Michael. The place they will go to is right here on earth. During Satan's rule on earth, most of the church world today are taught that it will be a time of killing, death, war, disease, famine, and any other hideous things you could possibly imagine. They believe strange stinging insects, like scorpions, will be released and sickness will be running wild.However, through a dream of Margaret MacDonald, a mentally ill woman of Scotland, a vision of a snatching-away of Christians would take place prior to the release of all the hoards of fallen angels and their leader, Satan. This damnable false vision has left much of the entire world star-gazing and in a false sense of security (called the rapture) instead of opening their eyes and ears, and getting prepared for the grand master of all lies and tricks known as Satan, the Antichrist.The vision we are studying in Daniel 7 is not meant for Daniel, but far into the future, and right into our generation. from the very first books of the Bible, through all the prophets of both the Old and New Testaments, they all are giving instructions to you for this time of testing.Daniel was troubled with this dream or vision because it was different. The other visions started with things he could understand, and with empires and people he knew and talked with, like Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon, and so on.In this vision of Daniel 7, he was not shown the actual happening, but those events in the form of symbols. Because of the nature of the vision, the distant time in the future, and so on, God told him simply to write it down and go about his business. "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." (Daniel 12:13.)Daniel 7:15 "I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me." Daniel was upset at the vision he had in the first 14 verses of chapter 7.Daniel 7:16 "I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things." Daniel was troubled and wanted to know the dream's interpretation of all parts of his dream. This vision is given just for us who live in that last generation, yet most Christians stumble on, willing to accept the "traditions of men" from other generations that could have had no concept or idea of what we are going through now.It is a total subversion of all our Biblical standards, redefining the words of God, and watering them down to a point of total deception; and the words and methods to be used by Satan (the Antichrist) will make them stumble right into Satan's houses of harlots that we call churches today.The truth of God's word is being dried up, and substituted with a false (counterfeit) religion that will look, sound, and be so close to what they have been taught. This is why Jesus told us to learn His word so that we are not deceived. Know the "parable of the fig tree", who the "Kenites" are, as well as all the "mysteries" Paul taught dealing with our bodies. The words of the Bible will then have meaning.Here now is the interpretation God revealed to Daniel.Daniel 7:17 "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth." These four kings that arise do not come out of heaven or hell, but everyday life and living upon the earth. What is going to happen is going on right before our eyes, and we see it on television, read it in the papers, and know it as it happens. God is telling Daniel it will be much later, for we know it occurs in our day.Daniel 7:18 "But the saints [set aside ones] of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever." The saints are God's servants who placed the armor of God of Ephesians 6:10-21 on themselves, and they are prepared for Satan's arrival. They know what to expect, and how to combat Satan, when he as the Antichrist comes against them. The saints shall fight against the little horn; and, my friend in Christ, that will be a spiritual battle, a war of words, ideas, deceptions. It will be a war of the mind through false doctrine.That is why we must have the seal the truth of God in our minds. For either the seal, or knowledge of God's Word will be there, or "the mark of the beast" will be there. That mark is the mark of confusion that God will allow you to have, to follow Satan and do his work, while all the time you think he is Jesus Christ. It will be the Antichrist seeking to have you fly with him, and you will for you will do it in ignorance, for your looking for a rapture that will not come.Daniel 7:19 "Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;" This beast will be diverse, and that is why it is called non-descript. It is a system, not an entity like Nebuchadnezzar's empire. The churches' "teeth of iron" (lies and deceptions), and the "nails of brass" (traditions and methods of control) will, and are now, forcing its members and followers to believe traditions, to accept false ideas (such as sodomy and pagan practices), and neglect the truths Jesus Christ said to know.The reason most churches don't teach chapter by chapter and verse by verse is that the method would disprove many of their own traditions.Daniel 7:20 "And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows." The horn that fell is the little horn. This is the identification and description of the Antichrist.Daniel 7:21 "I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;" The Antichrist caused most of the saints of God (Christians) to fall. For we know only the elect of God who had prepared themselves, did not. Satan is the false Jesus.Daniel 7:22 "Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom." This happens at the last trump. The "Ancient of days" that will come is Jesus Christ. That is the end of this earth age, whereby mankind is born of woman. Those saints that have held to the faith, and not followed Antichrist, are the winners, and will jointly rule the kingdom through the millennium with Christ.These events here are not simply salvation, but learning, knowing, and living in the meat of God's word.Daniel 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." You can see this one world system now forming, with the false messiah will rule at its head. That's all it amounts to. The political system, or beast will receive a mortal wound, and end it's world rule for a very brief time, as we read in Revelation 13.Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of the heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." Remember that this beast is as a one world system, and in the beginning, this system takes a political form. We know the form today as the United Nations, with it's ten major agencies, which have the entire world under its ruling charter of international laws, treaties, and trade agreements. However, when the world wakes up to see the strength of this Godless beast, the political form will end. When a political beast is dead, it simply does not function as a government any more. This will set the stage for the coming of the Antichrist, Satan, and his arrival to earth. Why will it be diverse of all kingdoms? Because it's going to be religious, with one ruler. Just listen to most newscasts and much of it deals strictly with affairs of it. It is seeking total control of the entire earth. What the United Nations does, it does only to promote its own agenda. As genocide went on in Cambodia, Bosnia, and elsewhere, the United Nations looked the other way. Kurds were being gassed in Iraq, and entire cities eliminated, and the United Nations' blinders were on. However, years later, after the fact, the United Nations used what it so blatantly overlooked, as the slaughter took place, as the excuse to move against Iraq when it took Kuwait and their oil.The United Nations is still growing and moving to world wide control through its many agencies. We know, though, that the time of "breaking down" and "breaking it to pieces" has not yet come. This is future. However, it is a very close future. We may be talking about months instead of years.Daniel 7:24 "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings." What were those ten horns? The same as the "ten toes" of the image in Chapter 2. These ten horns are ten kings.Who is this that rises after the ten kings? We saw in Revelation that this beast (ten king system) rose from the sea. That sea is the peoples of the world. They are men, or ruling agencies by men. The description in Revelation 13 of the seven that were, and one yet to come is simply Satan's title.Now in Daniel 7:24, the one that shall rise is also Satan. My Christian friend, the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7 is the same "one world system" of the ten kings of Revelation 13. And the one that shall rise after them is Satan, and his role as the Antichrist.Daniel 7:25"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." The three kings that are subdues out of the ten kingdoms, I feel, are the three nations representing Ephraim and Manasseh: the United States, Canada, and Great Britain. Though we talk about three kingdoms, it is still a "one world system", the "wearing out of the saints" is to afflict or deceive the saints. We see today how sodomites, and every other perverted organization, are out to change times (meaning seasons) and laws. The laws today are so twisted and worked over that murdered go free and jaywalkers get time in jail. Good is bad, right is wrong, and the absolute laws of God are diluted to mean little more than vague definitions.The Heavenly Father states here He will allow it for three and one-half years. Jesus says that time will be shortened, and Revelations 9:5 makes it five months.Revelation 9:5 "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."If you do not know the truth before the Antichrist comes, it's too late. It's like the seal of the thunders. The thunder follows the lightening, thus when Satan comes (the lightening) the seal of understanding and being prepared is too late. Upon Satan's [the Antichrist's] arrival, you will be stung as the scorpion and rendered helpless.Daniel 7:26 "But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end." When is the end? At Christ's return. We will have victory then, and this earth age will be over.Daniel 7:27 "And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is and everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him." What is under heaven? The earth! We don't have to worry about the kingdom of the earth, for our kingdom is for ever and ever. As the most precious part of our salvation, Christ gave us an immortal soul body (that shall never die) and that incorruptible body (spiritual) that shall live forever, as we see in I Corinthians15:51-54. I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed." I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." I Corinthians 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." The entire earth will worship Jesus Christ at His return.Daniel 7:28 "Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart." It's easy for you and I to understand and see how, the Jews can reform their nation, because it was done before their eyes. We can see how the world seeks worldwide peace, as most of the people today have lived under the threat of a nuclear holocaust, or wars on a worldwide scale. Television, radio, and word of mouth have shaped all minds of the world, except those of the elect, to accept the idea of putting all law, education, religion, food distribution, and so on under one system; for then all mankind is equal, safe, and secure. However, as this has happened, the blessings of our God given rights are then taken for the sake of the masses.The problem is that the world simply cannot support such a one world system, and very shortly it will collapse. From such confusion as these deceptive, and lying international bandits, the stage is set for the final time of testing, and it will be a deception this world has never seen before. It is then that Michael sends Satan to earth, and through the massive confusion, Satan performs his wonders for the people of the world, and cause them to accept Satan's peace and prosperity. The cost of partaking in that one world system is to worship Satan.How do you worship him? Simply by saying, "He is God".That will be easy for the Christian world, for their "traditions" and "Kenite" twisting of the truth have left most to believe the true messiah is the first on the scene. So, off they go, just like harlots. There will only be a small number who know the truth. They are called "the elect".Now, with all this in mind, is there any wonder that Daniel, at seeing, was confused and disturbed in his heart.This is no reason you should. If you are saved and have prepared yourself, you will not stray, and at Jesus' return, your reign with Christ will also be forever and ever; world without end.http://www.theseason.org/daniel/daniel7.htm
    From reading your post I can tell that your teacher is Arnold Murray, therefore your thoughts are not your own. You're simply following the traditions of men.Arnold Murray teaches the same "Antichrist" lie that is taught by all the other apostate church leaders today. These would include men such as, Hal Lendsay, Tim Lahay, Jack VanImpe, Perry Stone, Les Feldick, and a host of others."The Antichrist" theory is a lie, and is the "strong delusion" which Paul talks about in 11Thes. 2.God sends that strong delusion to everyone who chooses to follow the traditions of men, instead of studying the scriptures on their own and allowing the Holy Spirit to teach them.
     
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    truthsearcher, first off, as n2 just said, your seeking for truth is not going well for you. It is clearly obviously (common sense) that the devil whose name is Man of Sin, Lucifer, King of Tyre, Death, power of the air...is coming on the sixth trumpet, and yes Kriss and n2 is entirely correct that there is a "New World Order" (which is the beast) coming up, and there will be great falling away.(truthsearcher)
    From reading your post I can tell that your teacher is Arnold Murray, therefore your thoughts are not your own. You're simply following the traditions of men.Arnold Murray teaches the same "Antichrist" lie that is taught by all the other apostate church leaders today. These would include men such as, Hal Lendsay, Tim Lahay, Jack VanImpe, Perry Stone, Les Feldick, and a host of others."The Antichrist" theory is a lie, and is the "strong delusion" which Paul talks about in 11Thes. 2.God sends that strong delusion to everyone who chooses to follow the traditions of men, instead of studying the scriptures on their own and allowing the Holy Spirit to teach them.
    Use your common sense... If there is Christ, there is obviously an AntiChrist there too...So God and Lord Yahshua (Jesus) exist...so does Lucifer/Satan and the AntiChrist exist.I rather follow whom gives Life, not to whom that gives Death. So those doctrines we teach is of God, not of men. Your lies does not affect me in anyway.
     
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    As I said from the beginnig truthsearcher you are so far off base you would have to relearn the entire Bible to even be close. We follow no man but scripture it is you who are putting your mens thoughts into the word Men for some 2000+ years have been reading of Satan and his many titles in scripture yet you claim to know better with only opinions to back you up. So we are to deny all teachings of all the great Biblical scalars of all times including the aspostles to believe you have some supreme knowledge. Not to count how arogant your opinion is that Rev. an most of prochecy deals with America and not the rest of the peoples of the world this is the time of ALL gentiles not americans. This time of the gentiles will soon end and God will again turn his attention back to the Jews and bringing them to Christ he will use antichrist to do this. Thats Gods plan. You go right ahead and believe there is no antichrist but remember be assured that shortley every human being on earth will have to choose whether they follow Christ or Antichrist. It has been in the works sense the beginning of time. God will never waver, you have been foretold all things are you listening?
     
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    TruthsearcherIts ovious to me that you don't have a clue,you seem to not even be able to follow the subject and object,of a given text.With that said,you keep searching,for what I don't know,because its definitly not the truth.
     
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    Well I hope you feel better but it doesnt change the fact this is not a biblical doctrine its just some mixed up ideas you came up with. I do pray you find truth before its to late. Might I suggest again you read ll Thess.It does not say exalted it says revealed. To reveal what is hidden in this case the man (son) of perdition which is and always has been Satan
     
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