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Like meals at a homeless shelter. No one is forcing people to enter, and eat.
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Like meals at a homeless shelter. No one is forcing people to enter, and eat.
I've rejected meal's at a homeless shelter, but it doesn't end with being beaten for it.
No one can be born again without the gift of the Holy Spirit. And when the Holy Spirit enters a person s spirit, that spirit is brought to life and is able to see and comprehend spiritual things. And except a man is born again, he can neither see nor enter into the Kingdom of God.
All spiritual things are invisible, since God wants only those who are spiritual to perceive what is of the Spirit.
At the same time, Satan uses evil spirits and the occult to deceive people into thinking that these spirits are in control, rather than God. For example, when mediums claim to be communicating with dead loved ones, it is actually evil spirits who come forward and pretend to be the dead.
ScottA
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No, you're wrong. That may be your definition of free...but you are not God. These are His rules, not yours.
Free, in this case means: You fell and He has offered you a hand to help you up. It's a choice, and the consequences are on you - not Him.
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You assume the whole idea is wrong, and that I cannot describe it. But it is you who is wrong, and simply in the dark.
For someone who has not seen, you are acting particularly arrogant. You should be asking questions with the sincerity of a child. What's with the attitude? Why are you even here?
We have answers.
You mean that's the definition of tent dwelling goat herders. What's likely, that people who believed that volcano's & plague's were from this God really had a grasp on reality.
You have answers, I think you think you might. I know I don't, but you do, we'll see.
ScottA
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You will indeed see. The question is when, now, or after the helping hand is withdrawn?
As for me, I do not "think", nor do I merely "believe", I actually know.
As for your disrespectful sneers about those who have gone before us, it is their witness that collaborates my own witness, and mine theirs. As for you - you have no collaboration...and here is why:
If you are honest and reasonable enough... If we were all born into a big room and no one had ever seen or been outside, then no one in the room could say for sure what was outside, not a scientist, not a guru, not a psychologist, not a professor, no one. The only way that anyone inside could ever tell you anything truthful about what is outside...is if the information came in to them from the outside, and it has. That is what the bible is, it is a written record of firsthand contact with the outside - with God. I know, because I am one of those who have heard from God.
And you, you have a choice to make. You can either sit in the big room and poo poo everything you know nothing about, or have a little respect, listen, and learn.
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And where is your evidence that the spiritual world is on the outside, never being there yourself, how do you know?
You say you know, but I'll point out that knowing & believing are two different thing's.
Know
be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
"most people know that CFCs can damage the ozone layer"
synonyms: be aware
- have knowledge or information concerning.
"I would write to him if I knew his address"
synonyms: - be absolutely certain or sure about something.
- "I just knew it was something I wanted to do"
accept that (something) is true, especially without proof.
"the superintendent believed Lancaster's story"
synonyms:
- accept the statement of (someone) as true.
"he didn't believe her" - have religious faith.
"there are those on the fringes of the Church who do not really believe"
synonyms:
Not accepting it simply means your reward remains what it is. Your consequences only change when and if you accept it. Without Him we are all dead. Refusing His offer of Life means that we remain dead.
You've settled for an illusion my friend, and somewhere down deep inside you know that.
Actually I have seen the Light which is before me and I follow it. It is seen in the brightening reality of God through His Son. You deny it in favor of the foolish dreams and goals of men which they continue to build on until they find them falling into the confusion of Babel.
ScottA
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Back up the bus. You are not listening. I am the one who explained and made clear the difference between mere belief and knowing.
Want to give it another try? ('Cause you spoke before you had all the information...not a good practice. But it does explain a lot.)
You've actually seen the light? As in seen it with your eye's, or are you being a bit metaphorical.
You haven't demonstrated one thing you claim you know, I'm a waiting on the fact's here. You've given me none.
What you call reality is the fiction in which most men live and it is all they can see, which in the end of the matter turns out to be nothing. They are really blind. Even many bearing the label of Christian are mired in this same dark place. Without a vision they will also perish as it is written.
You're all sunshine & rainbow's. You know what, you are the one who's obsessing over the fate of people & their demise.
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