The Key to all the Parables of Jesus

[MatthewG]

The sins are already paid for before you repent, I believe Eternally Grateful - what one is repenting of is a life walking away from God - into a life with God.

 

[MatthewG]

the problem is. to many people all think they have the spirit.. Its one thing to say your listening to the spirit. there has to be a way to show who really is and who is not.

There are many people who do not even know Christ and have the spirit. But what does the spirit produce? What does the flesh produce as opposed to the spirit? Are you able to find these out and discern among and judge oneself to where you are, be it living by the flesh or by the spirit?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There are many people who do not even know Christ and have the spirit.

How is this true?

But what does the spirit produce? What does the flesh produce as opposed to the spirit? Are you able to find these out and discern among and judge oneself to where you are, be it living by the flesh or by the spirit?

The pharisee where seen as the most holy religious persons in Christ day. Did they have the spirit?

People can act like they have the spirit by living outwardly moral lives. it does not mean they have the spirit

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The sins are already paid for before you repent, I believe Eternally Grateful - what one is repenting of is a life walking away from God - into a life with God.

All sin is paid for.

But when is that payment applied to our account? When are we reckoned as righteous?

 

[MatthewG]

How is this true?

Depends on how you believe God is able to work.

The pharisee where seen as the most holy religious persons in Christ day. Did they have the spirit?

Sure, they were ultra-expressive material religious people of any sort ever to exist. Some of those pharisees in that day, that turned and repented and followed unto Christ - I can not just rule out every section.

People can act like they have the spirit by living outwardly moral lives. it does not mean they have the spirit

Does that give you authority to judge them and condemn them if they are being so way?

 

[MatthewG]

All sin is paid for.

But when is that payment applied to our account? When are we reckoned as righteous?

Everyone from my perspective is a blank slate. Building up in this life or the spiritual for the next life.

There is only two choices, eat from the tree of life, or eat from the tree of the knowledge and good and evil.


Sin is done. Paid for. Finished.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Depends on how you believe God is able to work.

when does the bible say one recieves the spirit? What must happen first?

Sure, they were ultra-expressive material religious people of any sort ever to exist. Some of those pharisees in that day, that turned and repented and followed unto Christ - I can not just rule out every section.

Does that give you authority to judge them and condemn them if they are being so way?

Well by their works no one can judge anyone which is why I made the statement I did.. we can not use an appearance of fruit bearing to determine someone is actually bearing fruit as a child of God

But we know they were not Gods people UNLESS they did something. what did they do to receive salvation?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Everyone from my perspective is a blank slate. Building up in this life or the spiritual for the next life.

There is only two choices, eat from the tree of life, or eat from the tree of the knowledge and good and evil.


Sin is done. Paid for. Finished.

so why is everyone dead? Why are we born in adam, Why must we be made alive in Christ? Why must we be born again?

if everyone has a clean slate, then we are in a dangerous position. because once we sin. we are lost forever..

I agree, sin is paid for. forever. No one will be cast to hell because of personal sin. But they will be cast our for a reason.. What is that reason?

 

[MatthewG]

when does the bible say one recieves the spirit? What must happen first?

God is more powerful than that book.

Well by their works no one can judge anyone which is why I made the statement I did.. we can not use an appearance of fruit bearing to determine someone is actually bearing fruit as a child of God

Jesus said you could; he said people will know your my disciple by your love. John 13:35

But we know they were not Gods people UNLESS they did something. what did they do to receive salvation?

When they are ready, do you think they will be ready then? God never forced me to take him on wrestle him. I had to take the first step.

so why is everyone dead? Why are we born in adam, Why must we be made alive in Christ? Why must we be born again?

You know why, because God created us to be able to have free will. Everyone is basically spiritually dead until that born again experience, and I believe that can happen with the use of hearing the word, or the individual seeks out God in faith (despite what even organziation they may end up attending)

if everyone has a clean slate, then we are in a dangerous position. because once we sin. we are lost forever..

What do you mean ? That doesn't make any sense to me.

As mentioned above everyone comes into this life without ever knowing anything about God, or His Son.

Eventually through life some come and here the spirit's call.
Some do not.

I agree, sin is paid for. forever. No one will be cast to hell because of personal sin. But they will be cast our for a reason.. What is that reason?

Faithlessness, and no love?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God is more powerful than that book.

God wrote the book for us to know him and follow him

Jesus said you could; he said people will know your my disciple by your love. John 13:35

What if they are nto saved? do they have the spirit just because they appear to love others?

When they are ready, do you think they will be ready then? God never forced me to take him on wrestle him. I had to take the first step.

I thought God took the first step by coming to you?

You know why, because God created us to be able to have free will. Everyone is basically spiritually dead until that born again experience, and I believe that can happen with the use of hearing the word, or the individual seeks out God in faith (despite what even organziation they may end up attending)

Jesus told us when we are born again, when did he say?

What do you mean ? That doesn't make any sense to me.

As mentioned above everyone comes into this life without ever knowing anything about God, or His Son.

Oh really? I knew about God.. Because he drew me to himself and exposed himself to me. Romans 1 says we all not only know who God is, we know we are rightly judged by him. hence we have no excuse

Eventually through life some come and here the spirit's call.
Some do not.

Yes, and those who do and react in a positive way (say yes) will be saved.

those who do not react, basically say no. Will not be saved.

Faithlessness, and no love?

its much deeper than this..

John 3: 18 “18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[MatthewG]

God wrote the book for us to know him and follow him

I do not think God wrote it, but he did use men to be able to have us the ability to have such a wonderful gift that is the Bible. As you stated, the bible is a great gift to know and follow him. I would agree, but still, God is more powerful than that book.

What if they are nto saved? do they have the spirit just because they appear to love others?

I can't judge. Let me ask you, do you think a Muslim can be a Christian, or a Mormon, or a Jehovah witness or Buddist?
Do you think anyone of these people in these 'religions' can be a Christian, even without ever hearing about Jesus? Do you consider nature showcasing the creation God had made.

Can a person out there in the middle of no where recieve the spirit from God by having faith that he exist?

Some appear to love others, and some actually geniunely love others by agape love.

I thought God took the first step by coming to you?

Perhaps it was Him, but I also had to make a step into the ring of faith.

I don't look to personally at it. - I just simply understood my heart was dark, and the only thing that would satisfy would be to seek out Jesus and know him.

Jesus told us when we are born again, when did he say?

I would like to see your answer to the first question.

Oh really? I knew about God.. Because he drew me to himself and exposed himself to me. Romans 1 says we all not only know who God is, we know we are rightly judged by him. hence we have no excuse

I can't say I have memory coming out of the womb that God exist.


Anyway, just wanted to share some insights.

I may leave the conversation now, and let you have the last words cause NOT EVERYONE is really gonna understand where I am coming from really. Way out in left field for most.


have a good one @Eternally Grateful thank you for your responses, and kindness.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Spirit is the Key.

You can read the bible with just earthly eyes, instead of spiritually lead by the Father.

All that are taught of GOD would have come to FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST . Just like cornelious did .
GOD dont draw them to other false religoins like buddism , mulism , hinduism , athiesm or whateversim .
THE SPIRIT DRAWS ONE TO FAITH IN CHRIST and CHRIST and HE ALONE reveals unto us the FATHER .
SORRY bud , budda cant do that , HE FALSE . Muhammed cant do that , HE FALSE
SO if one is being TRULY LED OF THE SPIRIT , THEIR FAITH IS GONNA BE IN JESUS CHRIST .
Thanks for the reminder mathew about having to have SPIRITUAL EYES .
Cause even many jews who read torah , moses and the law , HAD NOT EYES TO SEE .
IF they had EYES , THEY WOULD HAVE COME TO FAITH IN CHRIST , not rejected HIM .
OOPS , there i go again kicking holes in the all inclusive LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

God wrote the book for us to know him and follow him

What if they are nto saved? do they have the spirit just because they appear to love others?

I thought God took the first step by coming to you?

Jesus told us when we are born again, when did he say?

Oh really? I knew about God.. Because he drew me to himself and exposed himself to me. Romans 1 says we all not only know who God is, we know we are rightly judged by him. hence we have no excuse

Yes, and those who do and react in a positive way (say yes) will be saved.

those who do not react, basically say no. Will not be saved.



its much deeper than this..

John 3: 18 “18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I am gonna remind you of SOMETHING YOU ALREADY KNOW .
I do it for the sakes of others .
You asked a real good question to mathew . What if they are not saved . Do they have the SPIRIT just cause they APPEAR to love others .
HERE IS JOHNS REMINDER about what spirit they would have .
IF THEY BELIEVE NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THE CHRIST , HE IS ANTI CHRIST .
SO , YEAH THEY DONT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD if they BELIEVE NOT THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
JOHN wrote it simple and said it best . IF ONE BELIEVES NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THE CHRIST , They are anti christ .
So much for the all inclusive lie that says other religoins have the SPIRIT OF GOD working in them if they appear to have love .
ITS ALL LIE and i am very happy to expose THE LIE and point rather to the TRUTH .
SO with open arms and hearts full of love for CHRIST , let us repeat as one
what JOHN himself warned the church in his first letter , chapter two , around verse twenty and two .
HE who believes not that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , HE IS ANTI CHRIST . Pretty clear and right to the point .

 

[amigo de christo]

There are many people who do not even know Christ and have the spirit. But what does the spirit produce? What does the flesh produce as opposed to the spirit? Are you able to find these out and discern among and judge oneself to where you are, be it living by the flesh or by the spirit?

Wrong again . He who BELIEVES NOT . try and learn something from the actual APSOTLE JOHN .
You know the man who actually KNEW JESUS . HAD SEEN HIM , and had witnessed HIM .
JOHN saw his walk in LIFE , JOHN saw HIM RESSURECTED .
AND HERE is what THAT JOHN has to say on the subject at hand . HE WHO BELIEVES NOT , BELIEVES NOT ,
BELIEVES NOT that JESUS is THE CHRIST , He is anti christ . He has neither the FATHER OR THE SON .
How bout we return to BIBLE . You know that book so many progressives seem to say is outdated
or try and twist things about . RETURN to that which is simple . READ IT , LOVE IT , EMBRACE IT and learn you surely WILL .

 

[amigo de christo]

God is more powerful than that book.

Jesus said you could; he said people will know your my disciple by your love. John 13:35

When they are ready, do you think they will be ready then? God never forced me to take him on wrestle him. I had to take the first step.

You know why, because God created us to be able to have free will. Everyone is basically spiritually dead until that born again experience, and I believe that can happen with the use of hearing the word, or the individual seeks out God in faith (despite what even organziation they may end up attending)

What do you mean ? That doesn't make any sense to me.

As mentioned above everyone comes into this life without ever knowing anything about God, or His Son.

Eventually through life some come and here the spirit's call.
Some do not.



Faithlessness, and no love?

God is more powerful than a book . But rest assured He aint gonna contradict HIS BOOK .
You cannot overcome this other person with doctrine , so you resort back to the only thing you know
partial truths that cannot save but rather will grave . TRY showing this person in doctrine , by the bible
OH WAIT you cant , cause you yourself contradict it and even believe the things you say about that book .
You see a progressive , like any other contrary mind cannot prove their point by doctrine .
So they have to attack the doctrine . make it seem like at most it offers good advice but aint totally trustworthy .
And they pick and choose certain parts to try so hard to make their points . YET IT ALL FALLS SHORT
for it is not the rightly divided truth . As far as love , your love is not love .
Your love allows muslims , buddists , atheists and whateverists to perish in a lie , in the lie of UNBELIEF
and yet claims they are still saved . You do realize that is a direct contradiction
to what HE WHO SAVES US TAUGHT . I mean the SAVOIR OF THE WORLD said , HE WHO BELIEVES in HIM
shall not PERISH but have everlasting life . SAME SAVOIR OF THE WORLD SAYS THIS
BUT HE WHO BELIEVES NOT , IS CONDEMEND , WILL BE DAMNED . OOOPSY . My advice
IF JESUS SAID IT BELIEVE IT . LEAVE IT AT THAT . IF JESUS SAID IT SIMPLY BELIEVE and TEACH IT .

 

[MatthewG]

Grace be to you, @amigo de christo

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I do not think God wrote it, but he did use men to be able to have us the ability to have such a wonderful gift that is the Bible. As you stated, the bible is a great gift to know and follow him. I would agree, but still, God is more powerful than that book.

The bible itself says all scripture is God breathed..

What does this mean to you?

I can't judge. Let me ask you, do you think a Muslim can be a Christian, or a Mormon, or a Jehovah witness or Buddist?
Do you think anyone of these people in these 'religions' can be a Christian, even without ever hearing about Jesus? Do you consider nature showcasing the creation God had made.

No, Because they reject the gospel..

Can a person out there in the middle of no where recieve the spirit from God by having faith that he exist?

God has promised if people are positive to his message, and they seek. they will find. we have examples of this for years. where missionaries have arrived at a place no one has been before. and were told God said they would send them.

God knows who will receive and who will reject

Some appear to love others, and some actually geniunely love others by agape love.

we love only because God loved us.. A non believer is incapable of true love as a child of God can love.. because they have not yet recieved Christs love

Perhaps it was Him, but I also had to make a step into the ring of faith.

I don't look to personally at it. - I just simply understood my heart was dark, and the only thing that would satisfy would be to seek out Jesus and know him.

I would like to see your answer to the first question.

I can't say I have memory coming out of the womb that God exist.


Anyway, just wanted to share some insights.

I may leave the conversation now, and let you have the last words cause NOT EVERYONE is really gonna understand where I am coming from really. Way out in left field for most.


have a good one @Eternally Grateful thank you for your responses, and kindness.

I agree, coming out of the womb. Who knows him?

Thank you for your polite conversation. it is rare these days

 

[Lizbeth]

The Jews missed Jesus and His message. But so do many believers in Jesus. What they have in common is the WAY they believe things....no faith is involved...just religious dogmatism. Naming and claiming.

The Jews are more advanced than most believers in that they leave room for people that do not follow their tradition to be seen as righteous.

The Jews believe that people of the nations can be righteous before God. They see themselves as a holy nation...meant to rule over the nations.

If only Christianity was as aware of eternal things as the Jews. So we have gone downhill from the Jewish faith. Salvation is of the Jews. For modern believers...there is a need to see that we have gone astray from our calling...the high calling in Christ....and we are taking away from a basic understanding of the bible? Why? To justify ourselves.

If we want to surpass the Jews...we need to stop taking away righteousness from the righteous and stop elevating ourselves because of our beliefs.

Except what does the bible say about having a form of Godliness but denying the power? And seeking to establish one's own righteousness as opposed to submitting to the righteousness of God?

Why are people so easily deceived and seduced by forms of Godliness and the righteousness of man? Because outwardly it appears much the same as that of God....it's a subtle counterfeit. Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The bible says the HEART is so DECEITFULLY wicked, who can know it.

The ones seeking to justify themselves are not the ones who acknowledge that the righteousness they have is of the Lord, not of their own, and who have come to realize and know that "in me is no good thing"....but it's those who are seeking to establish their own righteousness who are seeking to justify themselves thereby. I see it all the time in those who don't know the Lord, and that was me too when I was lost. It fools a lot of people but God is not fooled, He discerns that and much more besides. Fallen man badly NEEDS a Saviour for plenty of good reasons. Jesus didn't suffer and die for no reason.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This is absolutely true. But to understand the meaning of the different destinies indicated in the parables requires not only experiencing Christ but also listening to His teachings. Parables are His teachings.

We are BOTH to believe INTO Him and ALSO listen to Him.

John 15:7
If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done unto you.

I’m not saying I’m right but I have questions. About the four destinies. For me I see your references to the four heads in Genesis. But that also makes me think of it being mentioned four heads being broken. Or cut off. wouldn’t the four heads divided be destroyed; and One Head made which is Christ? …if we are talking destinies.

 

[Episkopos]

I’m not saying I’m right but I have questions. About the four destinies. For me I see your references to the four heads in Genesis. But that also makes me think of it being mentioned four heads being broken. Or cut off. wouldn’t the four heads divided be destroyed; and One Head made which is Christ? …if we are talking destinies.

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I'm not seeing what you are referencing here.