The last hour

[Wish-it]

1 John 2
18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

What did John mean by the last hour? Obviously not the end of the world.

He probably thought so.

 

[Marty fox]

He probably thought so.

No John was spiritual inspired he wasn’t just thinking

 

[Marty fox]

God is no failure. Those extraterrestrials capable of interstellar travel who have come to Earth are proof of His successful creation. Such beings must surely be peace-loving—ones who never destroyed their own planet with atomic bombs nor ravaged their environment.

Perhaps you should look into the story of one particular man—a truly documented alien encounter. I forget his name now, but he was a person with a disabled arm who met these visitors. Interestingly, those extraterrestrials didn’t refer to their lasers as weapons, but simply as tools. They even invited him to photograph their spacecraft. You should try to find this account—it’s the only alien encounter I truly believe in."

Other accounts of alien events, first, no photos, (early film photos), second, Those descriptions are mixed with words that make people do not believe in God. So I don't believe in alien events other than the one's I described above.

There isn’t any other life on other planets Jesus only died once for all

 

[soberxp]

There isn’t any other life on other planets Jesus only died once for all

This idea, I think belongs to superstition, does not belong to faith, God did not say that aliens do not belong to human beings, God created human beings, not saying it's just Adam and Eve, and, I have evidence that aliens know the Bible, but that doesn't convince a stubborn idea like yours.

Just like when Copernicus said that the earth moves around the sun, the church put him on the fire.

 

[Marty fox]

This idea, I think belongs to superstition, does not belong to faith, God did not say that aliens do not belong to human beings, God created human beings, not saying it's just Adam and Eve, and, I have evidence that aliens know the Bible, but that doesn't convince a stubborn idea like yours.

Just like when Copernicus said that the earth moves around the sun, the church put him on the fire.

What I’m meaning is that Jesus only died once for sin and it was for mankind

1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit

Hebrews 10
10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The bible is the authority on this

 

[quietthinker]

Because you think that your interpretation trumps Johns spiritually inspired teachings in the bible

No John wasn’t wrong and you don’t fully understand what John was talking about. The topic and point of the last hour was false Christians in the church deceiving and leaving the church

It's clear that you think that I think this, however you are wrong in this. Understanding does not mean you need to go around the block to get across the street. That practice is reserved for those who feel many words and much convolution equates to insight/ wisdom.

That said, of course John saw what was happening in the churches. He said so....no mystery!

 

[soberxp]

What I’m meaning is that Jesus only died once for sin and it was for mankind

1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit

Hebrews 10
10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The bible is the authority on this

Have you ever heard of the Cold War-era legend about a fleet of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) that allegedly took off from the Soviet Union and traversed across Europe?

The panic it caused was like the final hour or last hour.....

 

[Aunty Jane]

Thanks and great point about it being the end of the apostles authority and restraining end. Many false teachings were coming and would be coming into the church afterJohns death maybe that’s why God kept him alive for so long.

The apostolic period could not end until all Christian Scripture was written……John was the last contributor and last survivor of the apostles, who form the foundation of God’s kingdom in heaven. The foundations had to be complete before the rest of the ‘building’ could be added.

To true Christians or true followers and imitators of Jesus Christ, the apostle Paul wrote: “Do you not know that you people are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you people are.” (1 Cor3:16-17)

The Jewish temple Mount Moriah in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman legions in the year 70 (C.E.) Since then the only temple to Jehovah in existence has been the spiritual temple, in which God dwells by his spirit. The spiritual temple is made up of “living stones,” with Jesus Christ himself being the foundation cornerstone and his 144,000 chosen followers being “living stones” built on him. (Eph 2:21-22; 1 Peter 2:5-7) This is the temple to which he comes as our the high priest. This is the temple of his body….the body of Christ….his bride.

The antichrist isn’t one person but a deceiving spirit that enter the church and was also the perfect description of apostate Israel.

Thank God that today we have the authoritative teaching of the bible canonized after the original apostles were gone.

Yes, we have the complete Bible, which the first Christians did not have as I believe that Paul alluded to this in 1 Cor 13:8-12….after describing what love is and what it is not, he said…

“Love never fails. But whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with. When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to think as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a babe. For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known.”

Thus Paul showed that the miraculous gifts of prophesying, knowledge and speaking in tongues were not permanent. They were to cease. And they did. Evidently these gifts were only imparted in the presence of one or more of the apostles directly chosen by Jesus Christ, with the laying on of their hands. So with the death of these apostles, the miraculous gifts died with them. This was because all the gifts were to draw people to Christ, but once Christian maturity was reached, the gifts, which attracted the spiritual babes, had to cease, because we are to “walk by faith and not by sight”. (2 Cor 5:7) The other reason is also spoken about by the apostle Paul in connection with Christ’s return.

He wrote in 2 Thess 2:9-12….
“But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved.”

The genuine gifts of the spirit were not going to compete with satan’s power. So if these were manifested in this period of time, it was not from God, but from the great mimic, trying to mislead people down the wrong path.

Those who have no knowledge of Scripture, would be easily fooled.…because the churches teach things that appeal to the imperfection in man….and the supernatural gifts of the spirit would, no doubt, be appealing to humans, making them feel special. Satan has exploited that flaw in man.

I also see that the last hour could mean the end of the Old testament temple and sacrificial age as in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple

Yes….with Christ’s death, the sacrifices at the Temple were no longer needed. On the night before his death Jesus instituted the new covenant, which made the old covenant invalid. The ultimate sacrifce of the Christ paid for all sin….but that doesn’t mean that we can take his magnanimous gift for granted….we have to do our part to live as Christ instructed….and to follow God’s moral code and to reject the false worship promoted by the “weeds“ of Jesus’ parable.

According to Jesus, it is the “few” who will accept the truth and be saved, while the “many” will be rejected. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23) That is sobering…..if we hold a majority view….then that should be a red flag.

 

[Aunty Jane]

God is no failure. Those extraterrestrials capable of interstellar travel who have come to Earth are proof of His successful creation. Such beings must surely be peace-loving—ones who never destroyed their own planet with atomic bombs nor ravaged their environment.

If the devil is a powerful deceiver, how do we know that these encounters are not just deceptions by a supernatural creature intent on making people believe something that isn’t true. He will try anything that makes people doubt the existence of the Creator.

Extra terrestrial life does exist, and the Bible speaks about them openly. The mention of “angels” makes people imagine “fairies” with wings, rather than supernatural beings who are very powerful and who have the ability to materialize and dematerialize as the accounts in the Bible convey. These beings are created by God as the Scriptures also tell us. They are not beings confined to a planet because they exist in a parallel realm that we cannot see. Does anyone really know what heaven is like? These beings dwell in the presence of the Creator, which is something that material beings cannot do.

Perhaps you should look into the story of one particular man—a truly documented alien encounter. I forget his name now, but he was a person with a disabled arm who met these visitors. Interestingly, those extraterrestrials didn’t refer to their lasers as weapons, but simply as tools. They even invited him to photograph their spacecraft. You should try to find this account—it’s the only alien encounter I truly believe in."

Other accounts of alien events, first, no photos, (early film photos), second, Those descriptions are mixed with words that make people do not believe in God. So I don't believe in alien events other than the one's I described above.

If you can find the story and post a link, I’ll have a look at it.

 

[Hiddenthings]

1 John 2
18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

What did John mean by the last hour? Obviously not the end of the world.

Note the urgency!

As the sheep of this present age the "little children" of our time, we, who earnestly follow Christ and listen to the voice of his apostles, must take seriously the warning words of John. He speaks to matters that directly impact our eternal future.

Did not Jesus himself pray: "Neither do I pray for these alone [the Apostles], but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent me." (John 17:20–21)

It was for this very purpose that John wrote his epistles, so we must not take his message lightly!

There are those in this forum which would seek to remove "the last hour" message and replace it with Universalism.

They have their reward.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Cont...

John combines a simple, direct style of writing with profound depth of thought. His words are clear and unmistakable, yet the concepts they express invite deep reflection and analysis.

He is unafraid to use repetition. To drive a point home, he often restates it, sometimes almost word for word. In doing so, he demonstrates an awareness of the truth expressed in 1 Corinthians 2:14: “The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

The high principles revealed by God often require repetition before they are truly understood.

"Last hour" used twice, whereas the other Apostles like to use "last days"

John was the eagle! sharp-eyed and intensely focused like no one else!...besides his Lord

 

[Wish-it]

No John was spiritual inspired he wasn’t just thinking

Maybe. Is the individual inspired or is it the scriptures that are inspired? (As per 2 Tim 3.16)

 

[soberxp]

If the devil is a powerful deceiver, how do we know that these encounters are not just deceptions by a supernatural creature intent on making people believe something that isn’t true. He will try anything that makes people doubt the existence of the Creator.

Extra terrestrial life does exist, and the Bible speaks about them openly. The mention of “angels” makes people imagine “fairies” with wings, rather than supernatural beings who are very powerful and who have the ability to materialize and dematerialize as the accounts in the Bible convey. These beings are created by God as the Scriptures also tell us. They are not beings confined to a planet because they exist in a parallel realm that we cannot see. Does anyone really know what heaven is like? These beings dwell in the presence of the Creator, which is something that material beings cannot do.

If you can find the story and post a link, I’ll have a look at it.

I don't know if youtube has the tools to translate Chinese subtitles.

 

[Marty fox]

Have you ever heard of the Cold War-era legend about a fleet of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) that allegedly took off from the Soviet Union and traversed across Europe?

The panic it caused was like the final hour or last hour.....

No but I do think that sighting can be demonic beings

 

[soberxp]

No but I do think that sighting can be demonic beings

Why do you think that? Who told you that? Intuition?

There was a sister who could hear voices that taught her to treat people, but the brothers in the church insisted that they were evil spirits, demons...

What the hell!

 

[Marty fox]

Maybe. Is the individual inspired or is it the scriptures that are inspired? (As per 2 Tim 3.16)

Both

 

[Marty fox]

Why do you think that? Who told you that? Intuition?

There was a sister who could hear voices that taught her to treat people, but the brothers in the church insisted that they were evil spirits, demons...

What the hell!

Because they don't give glory to Jesus

 

[Marty fox]

It's clear that you think that I think this, however you are wrong in this. Understanding does not mean you need to go around the block to get across the street. That practice is reserved for those who feel many words and much convolution equates to insight/ wisdom.

That said, of course John saw what was happening in the churches. He said so....no mystery!

Sorry, I miss read your post I thought that you were saying that the disciples expected the return 2000 years from their time my bad. I agree with you

 

[PinSeeker]

1 John 2
18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

What did John mean by the last hour? Obviously not the end of the world.

Well, he said, "this is the last hour," right? Well, also "it is the last hour," in other English translations, but there is no difference. The "this" and the "it is" there... <smile> ...clearly indicates that he was speaking of the present time in that day... and is also prescient to us today. So, in saying "this... (or it) "...is the last hour," John was referring to the exact same time period as the writer of Hebrews in Hebrews 1:1-2 when he writes, "in these last days (God) has spoken to us by his Son" ...notice the word "these," there" ...and is also synonymous with God's present millennium, the thousand years, that John himself speaks of in the vision given to him by Jesus in Revelation 20:1-6. With regard to Revelation 20, John is "seeing" the millennium, the thousand years, from above, from God's perspective above time, that it has already taken place. But we are in the midst of it, both in John's day and now, and Satan is bound in the sense that he is absolutely restricted from preventing the spread of the Gospel to the ends of the earth.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Marty fox]

The apostolic period could not end until all Christian Scripture was written……John was the last contributor and last survivor of the apostles, who form the foundation of God’s kingdom in heaven. The foundations had to be complete before the rest of the ‘building’ could be added.

To true Christians or true followers and imitators of Jesus Christ, the apostle Paul wrote: “Do you not know that you people are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you people are.” (1 Cor3:16-17)

The Jewish temple Mount Moriah in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman legions in the year 70 (C.E.) Since then the only temple to Jehovah in existence has been the spiritual temple, in which God dwells by his spirit. The spiritual temple is made up of “living stones,” with Jesus Christ himself being the foundation cornerstone and his 144,000 chosen followers being “living stones” built on him. (Eph 2:21-22; 1 Peter 2:5-7) This is the temple to which he comes as our the high priest. This is the temple of his body….the body of Christ….his bride.

Yes, we have the complete Bible, which the first Christians did not have as I believe that Paul alluded to this in 1 Cor 13:8-12….after describing what love is and what it is not, he said…

“Love never fails. But whether there are gifts of prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with. When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to think as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a babe. For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known.”

Thus Paul showed that the miraculous gifts of prophesying, knowledge and speaking in tongues were not permanent. They were to cease. And they did. Evidently these gifts were only imparted in the presence of one or more of the apostles directly chosen by Jesus Christ, with the laying on of their hands. So with the death of these apostles, the miraculous gifts died with them. This was because all the gifts were to draw people to Christ, but once Christian maturity was reached, the gifts, which attracted the spiritual babes, had to cease, because we are to “walk by faith and not by sight”. (2 Cor 5:7) The other reason is also spoken about by the apostle Paul in connection with Christ’s return.

He wrote in 2 Thess 2:9-12….
“But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved.”

The genuine gifts of the spirit were not going to compete with satan’s power. So if these were manifested in this period of time, it was not from God, but from the great mimic, trying to mislead people down the wrong path.

Those who have no knowledge of Scripture, would be easily fooled.…because the churches teach things that appeal to the imperfection in man….and the supernatural gifts of the spirit would, no doubt, be appealing to humans, making them feel special. Satan has exploited that flaw in man.


Yes….with Christ’s death, the sacrifices at the Temple were no longer needed. On the night before his death Jesus instituted the new covenant, which made the old covenant invalid. The ultimate sacrifce of the Christ paid for all sin….but that doesn’t mean that we can take his magnanimous gift for granted….we have to do our part to live as Christ instructed….and to follow God’s moral code and to reject the false worship promoted by the “weeds“ of Jesus’ parable.

According to Jesus, it is the “few” who will accept the truth and be saved, while the “many” will be rejected. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23) That is sobering…..if we hold a majority view….then that should be a red flag.

Thanks for the input I agree