Don't confuse the last day, when Christ will gather out of His Kingdom, which is represented by the Church on earth, the body of Christ, with history. Only Matthew pertains to the last day.
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Don't confuse the last day, when Christ will gather out of His Kingdom, which is represented by the Church on earth, the body of Christ, with history. Only Matthew pertains to the last day.
Again you confuse history with the last day of this age when the Lord shall come the second time. Are you, like the Orthodox Jews today still waiting for a Savior?
All of the verses I quoted are about the day of the Lord when Christ comes.
All of these are about the same day.
Mathew 8:11-12
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Amos 5:27
Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,” says the LORD, whose name is God Almighty.
zech 14:2
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city
Luke 21:24
They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
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It appears that you will not be going east or west into the kingdom of heaven.If you wish to remain in exile,then that is your choice.Jacob did not want to be buried in exile,nor did Joseph.But you openly want to stay out of the kingdom promised to Abraham.OK You can stay outside the kingdom with Gog,Persia ,and Ethiopia.
Mathew 8:11-12
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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The childish game ends here, you have been asked several times without a direct response on the name of the land that will be your heaven on this earth
Cover your ears cause here it comes again .Some people just can't hear.
Mathew 8:11-12
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Abraham is exactly where the Lord promised he would be.
Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
God keeps his promise he made to Abraham.Unlike Abraham ,you don't believe God.Now you will uncover your ears and say ,I can't hear you.
Timtofly
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It does not say symbolically the body of Christ sows the seed, ie the church.
You are changing the Word of Jesus back into a symbolic parable. We already have the parable:
"Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."
The tares are gathered first. The wheat reigns on earth for 1,000 years. They are not gathered into death, but stored in the barn. Where is the barn? On earth. This sowing and reaping is after the Second Coming. It is not symbolic of the church, because the church leaves at the Second Coming. The church does not stand around on earth while Satan is sowing all the tares, and while the Son of man is sowing all the wheat. This is about life on earth after the church is gone, after the Second Coming.
The earth is still here, because the Son of man is on the earth sowing this seed that turns into and is symbolic of redeemed humanity out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Yes there are souls still redeemed after the Second Coming. Obviously not religious folk who are all deceived by Satan, and are the tares that will be burned up. Where is the church ever called the Son of man?
Timtofly
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The Dead Sea will only exist during the Millennium. There will be no Dead Sea in the NHNE. The New Jerusalem is 1200 miles high, 1200 miles from east to west. 1200 miles from north to south. It will take up most of Eruope, western Asia, and Part of Africa. There will be no Mediterranean, as it will be covered over by the New Jerusalem. Although the New earth will not even be the same geographically. So current geography is a moot point.
Ezekiel is describing the 1,000 year reign of Christ, not the church and New Jerusalem on the earth.
Ronald David Bruno
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You have some things right and other things not.
I just read the other day that Russia has now a ship loaded with hypersonic missiles (6k mph) and headed towards Atlantic and Medditararan. Of course they have Iran, Syria, as their allies, Iran being the number one enemy of Israel. So it is true, a middle east war is imminent teb nations will gather against Israel - God is sending them. It is part of this Great Tribulation.
Here is where you err: Romans 11 - you missed it, you're in denial or just plain misinterpreting it . Study it. It clearly shows the distinction between the Gentile (Church) and Israel ( the remnant 1/3) that will be saved during this time. We are talking about the literal descendants, who arw now Jews, but millions of them will see the LIGHT and be saved. Most of them won't be. Jesus comes and "every eye will see Him". What kind of effect do you think that will cause. The Jews who haebeen waiting for their Messiah for thousands of years finally realize that Jesus is. They will mourn, kick themselves, feel shame, but will believe and God will save some during this time.
Rev. 7 & 14 speak if 144k - specifically male virgins from the 12 BLOODLINE TRIBES ( of which God apparently has survived and only He knows them).
Btw, The New Heaven and Earth come after the Millennial Kingdom.
So if you can accommocate and factor in those truths, then maybe you might change you Anti-Simetic attitude. You are coming from a view called Replacement Theology ( the Church replaced Israel and is now Israel). Wrong. Branches were broken iff si tgat we could be grafted into the VINE. The VINE IS JESUS. THE BODY OF CHRIST IS JESUS - IT'S NOT CALLED ISRAEL.
That is an incorrect assumption.
Ezekiel was writing about the fish in the dead sea several chapter after Gog had been killed.Not before.
Don't put the cart before the horse.
The first resurrection takes place in Ezekiel chapters 37
Gog invades Israel in chapter 38 and is destroyed in chapter 39
After Gog has been destroyed,Ezekiel writes about Gog and his vast armies bones being buried and the burning of weapons for 7 months.
In Ezekiel 40 ,Ezekiel starts talking about Jerusalem
In Ezekiel 47 Ezekiel writes about the river of life running into the dead sea.
Thats is after the millinium.
Ezekiel has everything in order as does revelation 20 and 21 and they both correspond with the other.
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No,millions of Jew don't see the light in Israel.
144000 do.They are the only ones in Israel to not take the mark of the Israeli government.Many of them will be betrayed by their own parents and family and put to death.They will be persecuted throughout all the cities of Israel till Christ comes.
It's all in the gospels and none of these things are hidden.Jesus spoke openly for all the world to read about what happens to the saints in Israel.
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Ronald David Bruno
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The Light hasn 't been seen yet. You are quick to criticize and judge others. You have nothing to say about Rom. 11 or the Millennial Kingdom? What about the Two Witnesses (evangelists) that are supposed to show up during the Great Tribulation who will influence many Jews to come to Christ? So it is either " every eye" that sees Jesus coming in the clouds or these Two Witnesses, who will help the Jews see the Light.
You seem to have no mercy for the Jews, and want them cleaned off the map so you can enter the land. Hitler had the same attitude. Be careful! For God said to the Israelites: "I will curse those who curse you and bless those who bless you!" Watch out! The USA has always been Israel's allies - until recently. Obama and Biden throws them under the bus.
The Lord destroys all nations who come against Jerusalem (implying the whole narion of Israel, so make sure you are on the right side.
Mathew 8:11-12
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth
It's sad that you don't believe Christ and dispute his every word.
Or is it it that you can not comprehend the words of Christ and are contradicting Christ out of ignorance?
So when you say ,I said they will be cleaned off the map,know that my master is the actual one who said it .
So if you chose to call anyone antisemitic,you are actually calling Christ antisemitic because he is the one who says they are condemned for their disbelief.Many will come from the east and west and shall sit down with Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,but the occupants of that kingdom will be cast out.
If you wont take it my word for it,then maybe you will consider Christs.But probably you will not.You think those who reject Christ will remain in it forever.
Try reading the gospels sometime when you get a chance .Read what Christ has to say about the subject before judging those who already have read about it.
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Nothing about what you said about the two witnesses are in scripture.
Revelation states that the two witnesses spend 1260 days killing and tormenting people untill the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit kills them.
Looks like their works caught up to them.As they have done to others will be done to them.And possibly quite worse.
Ronald D Milam
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Oh brother, what a twisted interpretation my friend.
Ever hear of THE MANY? Its shown unto us in Dan. 8:25 (he will destroy MANY by peace) and in Dan. 9:27 he makes an Agreement with (confirms a Covenant) with MANY for one week. So, it is never told to us by God that only Israel will be targeted by this evil man, we are told in the two verses above that it is MANY. Now read Dan. 11:40-45 again with that in mind.
I will give you a play by play of what this actually means.
Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south(Turkey/Seleucid and/or Egypt/Ptolemy and a North African contingent) push at him: and the king of the north(10/E.U. and Anti-Christ) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships(Modern Armies but Danie was shown armies he would understand as Armies in the vision); and he(A.C.) shall "enter into the countries", (He must pass through Nations to get at Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Turkey as Dan. 8:9 shows us) and shall overflow and pass over(Like I said, he has to go through THOSE NATIONS to get at Israel).
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land(see how this is told in a linear fashion if we just read it that way? He now conquers Israel) , and many countries shall be overthrown:(not Just Israel, he will conquer the whole Mediterranean Sea Region) but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.(So, where are these three located at today? Well, in the central and southern Jordan Mountainous areas where the 1/3 of Israel who repent flee unto in the Petra/Bozrah area !! Yikes !! What a prophecy when we understand it in full. )
42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries(Not just Israel):AND the land of Egypt shall not escape. (So he also conquers Egypt/Ptolemy also, just like Antiochus did before him)
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. (WAIT !! So, he conquers not only Egypt but according to the names of those nations at the time, he conquers ALL of North Africa too).
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him(Probably rumblings from Russia and China who are mostly toothless by this time, could be England who has left the E.U. not Russia): therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
So, now lets look at what THE MANY actually means.
Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
So, he destroys MANY by Peace not just Israel, and then enters into an Agreement (covenant in Hebrew simply means Agreement) with MANY for 7 years not just Israel. By the way CONFIRM in Hebrew simply means an Agreement was already in place, he just confirms (BY FORCE.......Confirm in Hebrew = Gabar with means he is Insolent in his actions or Heaven handed and FORCES an updated Agreement to his liking) an already existing Agreement with Israel and THE MANY, we know its Israel because he CAUSES the Sacrifice to be stopped (which is Jesus Worship, not a Meat Sacrifice, Satan loves the Meat Sacrifice, it mocks and belittles Jesus' death on the cross). Then in the middle of the week he attacks/conquers Israel and THE MANY as shown in a play by play prophetic utterance which Dan. 11:40-43 shows us.
Lets see if we can find this "Agreement in place now" ahead of the Anti-Christ's coming to power.
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Lets see if we can find this "Agreement in place now" ahead of the Anti-Christ's coming to power.
The European Neighbourhood Policy (Wikipedia)
The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. These countries, primarily developing countries, include some who seek to one day become either a member state of the European Union, or more closely integrated with the European Union.
The countries covered are Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia in the South; and Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine in the East.
{{{ Notice what is going on in Ukraine now? Europe and the USA is trying to separate Ukraine from its Russia roots of old. Cronies see themselves making tons of money from the Ukraine, plus it hurts Russia. What most do not know is the E.U. through the ENP has been doing this with Israel and all of the Mediterranean Sea Region nations for about 20 years now. They have a 15 billion dollar fund to help fund these nations to be more in line with the E.U. ways of life so to speak, a sort of carrot and stick approach. We can see this by looking deeper into the Wikipedia page BELOW: }}}
The EU offers financial assistance to countries within the European Neighbourhood, so long as they meet the strict conditions of government reform, economic reform and other issues {Homosexual rights etc.) surrounding positive transformation. This process is normally underpinned by an Action Plan agreed by Brussels and the target country.
The EU typically concludes Association Agreements in exchange for commitments to political, economic, trade, or human rights reform in a country. In exchange, the country may be offered tariff-free access to some or all EU markets (notably industrial goods or agricultural products) and financial or technical assistance.
{{{ See how this works? They get them used to the funds and BOOM, you do what we want (Action Plan) or else those funds will dry up. It is coerced by dollars. Hence as I stated a carrot and stick approach. }}}
In the South, the first comprehensive policy for the region was the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership (or Barcelona Process) a wide framework of political, economic and social relations between member states of the EU and countries of the Southern Mediterranean. It was initiated on 27–28 November 1995 through a conference of Ministers of Foreign Affairs, held in Barcelona. Besides the 27 member states of the European Union, the remaining "Mediterranean Partners" are all other Mediterranean countries including Libya (which had 'observer status' from 1999 to 2012).
Funding: from the ENPI via ENI to NDICI
Giving incentives and rewarding best performers, as well as offering funds in a faster and more flexible manner, were the two main principles underlying the European Neighbourhood Instrument (ENI) that came into force in 2014 and was merged in 2021 into Global Europe. It has a budget of €15.4 billion and provides the bulk of funding through a number of programmes and replaced The earlier European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI). This cooperation instrument continues to be managed by Directorate-General for Development and Cooperation and EuropeAid, which turns decisions taken on a political level into actions on the ground. The ENPI funding approved for the 2007–2013 period was €11.2 billion.
{{{ This has been edited recently, it used to have the dates of the second 7 year agreement as 2014-2020, we can still see it if we look closely, NOTICE: the 15.4 Billion was approved in 2014 and it was MERGED into Global Europe in 2021 !! So, that means we can see their actions or initiatives always come after a Seven Year Period of time. 2007-2013 = 7 years, 2014-2020 = 7 years. Then 2021 starts up a new 7 years, I think when the Rapture happens (I think the fall of 2025) the European Union President (Anti-Christ) will FORCE (Confirm) a new Agreement onto Israel. I think God wipes out Russia, Iran and Turkey's Armies in the Gog and Magog because they join E.U. then Russia, Iran and Turkey attacks Israel. These 7 Year Agreements are not just with Israel but with THE MANY or the whole Mediterranean Sea Region whom the Anti-Christ (E.U. President) will turn on and conquer. Now lets look at a map of the E.U. and the nations she currently has agreements with in the Mediterranean Sea Region.}}}
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This shows who "THE MANY" are, Israel and all of North Africa, and the nations that surround Israel. This is who the Anti-Christ conquers in Dan. 11:40-43. NOTICE: This looks exactly like the Old Roman Empire of 117 AD. This is why the Beast ARISES amongst the 10 (Complete Europe Reunited) which simply means he is born in the E.U. which is the son (exact likeness) of the Roman Empire as shown on a map. SEE BELOW:
Roman Empire circa 117 A.D.
Now, go look at maps of Babylon, Persia and Greece, none of them encapsulated the entire Mediterranean Sea Region, Rome did. That is why the Anti-Christ is said to emerge out of the Fourth Beast, the 10 are revived complete Europe reunited. The Anti-Christ (Little Horn) is born in Greece (E.U.) To be honest, a lot of people not qualified to teach prophesy love dabbling in it, but they should recognize dabbling is not a calling from God.
And while you were sleeping,the United States had already invaded the south twice before as in Daniel 11.
Rest easy sleeping beauty.
Ronald David Bruno
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You sound like a Left Wing Liberal, whose typical comeback (right out of their play book) _when cornered _ is to attack the other person's character, intellenge, faith and condescend as if talking to a child. "Now Ronny, you should really read the Bible ..." Lol. We're done.
No,your far more liberal than I .You love calling christians antichrist while calling Muslims neighbor.
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