The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[ScottA]

Scripture never claims that time ends, in fact the eternity is never ending time with a new fruit on the tree of life every month (30 days of time).

This is your first error.

While I am not an Amillennialist, your definition of eternity is not biblical.

The Bible defines time as being a part of creation, while the kingdom of God, which is eternal, is "without shadow of turning"--without time.

As for the fruit every month...the nations are not healed in the kingdom, but in the world before entering in.

 

[Marty fox]

The problem with this argument is that it is based on time as human beings understand it. Gen. 1:1 using the phrase "in the beginning" was meant to help us understand that there was a period when the physical universe didn't exist.

We cannot even begin to truly fathom the concept of time without day and night periods because those things were created for us to be able to understand the concept of time, as it says in Gen. 1:14. God didn't need any of those things.

Yes that is my point if you reread what I said were basically saying the same thing

God is the creator of everything including time

 

[Davy]

I never said that the battle of Armageddon was the last day of this world it isn't

I said it is, and it is the last day of this world, because it is Lord Jesus and His army that comes to fight it, per Revelation 19, and Revelation 16 on the 7th Vial.

And you DID say the following"
"I don’t see Apollyon being released as the same time as satans release at all"

You don't understand about Apollyon it's obvious. Apollyon comes from the Greek word for 'perdition'. Satan (called a 'beast' also) is the angel that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition, meaning he has already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire".

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

 

[ewq1938]

6. Timeframe of the first resurrection.

Amillennialism believes Christ comes after the Millennium is over yet Christ clearly returns before the Millennium because Revelation 20 mentions the first resurrection occurring before the Millennium begins and the resurrection of the dead in Christ only happens at the second coming. The only resurrection after the thousand years is "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." which means these are the unsaved dead being resurrected.

 

[Marty fox]

I said it is, and it is the last day of this world, because it is Lord Jesus and His army that comes to fight it, per Revelation 19, and Revelation 16 on the 7th Vial.

And you DID say the following"
"I don’t see Apollyon being released as the same time as satans release at all"

You don't understand about Apollyon it's obvious. Apollyon comes from the Greek word for 'perdition'. Satan (called a 'beast' also) is the angel that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition, meaning he has already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire".

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Actually I do understand about Apollyon he is satan. The name destroyer takes us back to the death angel back in exodus in Egypt. This angel of death is called the destroyer in exodus the same name also give to Apollyon in revelation.

What I was saying is that this Apollyon releases his army which isn’t the same time as satan is released in revelation 20

The only mention of Armageddon is in revelation 16 which is a different battle than the one in revelation 19. In revelation 16 the battle is the destruction of Babylon the great from the beast and the battle in revelation 19 is the defeat of the two beast by Jesus. Completely two different battles and revelation 19 does not mention the word Armageddon.

 

[ewq1938]

7. Return of Christ not found inbetween the end of the Millennium and judgment day.

In Revelation 20 we are shown the beginning and the end of the Millennium and then the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) yet the most anticipated event in human history is nowhere to be found. If Jesus does not return inbetween the end of the Millennium and judgment day, then when did his return actually take place? Look back to Revelation 19.

 

[Davy]

What I was saying is that this Apollyon releases his army which isn’t the same time as satan is released in revelation 20

The only mention of Armageddon is in revelation 16 which is a different battle than the one in revelation 19. In revelation 16 the battle is the destruction of Babylon the great from the beast and the battle in revelation 19 is the defeat of the two beast by Jesus. Completely two different battles and revelation 19 does not mention the word Armageddon.

Armageddon is the same battle though when Jesus comes to end the great tribulation. That is when the Babylon harlot is destroyed, on the day of Jesus coming.

And in Revelation 13, there are only 2 beast ideas being described. The first one of the ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns represents the beast kingdom idea of Daniel. The "another beast", a 2nd beast, represents the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah that is to work great signs and wonders and miracles to deceive the world. In Revelation 17, we are shown those same 2 beasts again, one pointing to the ten horns, and seven heads, and the other about the beast kings. The Antichrist is to be setup as a king.

And the battle of Armageddon is the day of God's cup of wrath upon the wicked, which is a SOLID indicator that battle happens on the same day that Jesus comes to end the trib and the Babylon harlot system.

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV

That is when Jesus said He comes "as a thief", which is hard-linked to the "day of the Lord" timing that comes "as a thief in the night". That is when Babylon is destroyed as written above. That is when every island fled away and the mountains not found, like with the 6th Seal description of the day of God's wrath. It is impossible to get around all those prophetic parameters given with that battle of Armageddon timing.

 

[ewq1938]

8. Thousand year reign of the saints in Heaven or on the Earth?

Some Amillennialist's claim the resurrected saints that reign for 1000 years are in heaven during that reign, yet some also say the 1000 years doesn't apply to those saints in heaven because "heaven is eternal" and there is no time there. According to Revelation 5:10, the saints reign on the Earth not in heaven therefore the reign of the rod of iron for a thousand years in Revelation 20 is upon the Earth.

 

[Marty fox]

Armageddon is the same battle though when Jesus comes to end the great tribulation. That is when the Babylon harlot is destroyed, on the day of Jesus coming.

And in Revelation 13, there are only 2 beast ideas being described. The first one of the ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns represents the beast kingdom idea of Daniel. The "another beast", a 2nd beast, represents the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah that is to work great signs and wonders and miracles to deceive the world. In Revelation 17, we are shown those same 2 beasts again, one pointing to the ten horns, and seven heads, and the other about the beast kings. The Antichrist is to be setup as a king.

And the battle of Armageddon is the day of God's cup of wrath upon the wicked, which is a SOLID indicator that battle happens on the same day that Jesus comes to end the trib and the Babylon harlot system.

Rev 16:15-17
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV

That is when Jesus said He comes "as a thief", which is hard-linked to the "day of the Lord" timing that comes "as a thief in the night". That is when Babylon is destroyed as written above. That is when every island fled away and the mountains not found, like with the 6th Seal description of the day of God's wrath. It is impossible to get around all those prophetic parameters given with that battle of Armageddon timing.

But it is the beast and his army that destroys Babylon the great.

Revelation 17:16-17
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

You see when it says that Jesus comes its His coming in judgement and God uses evil empires to do His work just like the verses above says. The example of this is using Rome to destroy Jerusalem. The coming in the verse below also wasn't literal but symbolic for judgement on Egypt.

Isiah 19:1
A prophecy against Egypt:

See, the Lord rides on a swift cloud
and is coming to Egypt.
The idols of Egypt tremble before him,
and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

They are two completely different battels one has the name Armageddon attached to it and is the destruction of Babylon the great by the beast and his armies and the other doesn't have the name Armageddon attached to it and is the destruction of the two beast by Jesus.

 

[ewq1938]

But it is the beast and his army that destroys Babylon the great.

Revelation 17:16-17
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

That translation has changed what the verse actually says:


Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

The horns attack Babylon not the beast. The horns are the ten kings.

They are two completely different battels one has the name Armageddon attached to it and is the destruction of Babylon the great by the beast and his armies

No, the ten kings destroy Babylon before they send their armies to Armageddon. At Armageddon is it the ten horns and their armies and the beast and FOP that are destroyed. Babylon is already gone by then.

and the other doesn't have the name Armageddon attached to it and is the destruction of the two beast by Jesus.

It is Armageddon. The vial caused the beasts to send their armies to Armageddon to battle against God (Jesus) and that battle is found in Revelation 19:

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

They get there first and wait for Christ:

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[ewq1938]

9. Satan attacks New Jerusalem?

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Some Amillennialist's believe that this attempted attack on Jerusalem is actually against New Jerusalem and satan is trying to access God's throne yet New Jerusalem does not descend from Heaven until after judgment day, Revelation 21.

 

[Marty fox]

9. Satan attacks New Jerusalem?

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Some Amillennialist's believe that this attempted attack on Jerusalem is actually against New Jerusalem and satan is trying to access God's throne yet New Jerusalem does not descend from Heaven until after judgment day, Revelation 21.

I see it as the church

 

[ewq1938]

I see it as the church

Well, sure, the church is located at Jerusalem at that time but all the members are immortal.

 

[Davy]

But it is the beast and his army that destroys Babylon the great.

Revelation 17:16-17
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

You see when it says that Jesus comes its His coming in judgement and God uses evil empires to do His work just like the verses above says. The example of this is using Rome to destroy Jerusalem. The coming in the verse below also wasn't literal but symbolic for judgement on Egypt.

Nah, you're being subjected to the old Reformer's doctrines pointing to the pope as the Antichrist, and Rome as the Revelation Babylon harlot. You are being deceived, big time, by those doctrines from men.

(In the days of the Christian Reformers, they were persecuted by the Roman Church, and they both had war against each other. The Reformers thought the pope then was the prophesied Antichrist and thus Rome had to be the Babylon harlot. Their interpretation obviously did not pan out per history. But their descendants still to this day push their doctrines against the pope and Rome. And by the way, I am not a Catholic. My ancestors were French Huguenots that fled 15th century France because of Catholic persecution. The Huguenots were the first French Protestants.)

The Babylon harlot of Revelation is about Jerusalem when the coming Antichrist (2nd beast) is setup over it as king for 42 months. This is why we are shown in Revelation 11:8 that Jerusalem is where God's two witnesses show up to prophesy against the beast for 1260 days.

What the ten horns of the beast per Revelation 17:16 is about the 1st beast of Revelation 13:1-2, a beast 'kingdom' in power in Jerusalem for the very end of this world when false Messiah shows up there and places the "abomination of desolation". The harlot is Jerusalem, and is from a metaphor that our Heavenly Father used about Jerusalem when it fell to paganism per the Ezekiel 16 Chapter. In that Chapter God revealed that He married Jerusalem, yet she went and played the harlot against Him.

You've been 'had', most likely by false Jews that have crept into that church system you attend. It's the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that will setup their 'god' as king of the world in future Jerusalem, spiritually desolating Jerusalem like a harlot. Pointing to a pope and Rome instead is their way of distracting your attention away from endtime Jerusalem.

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

 

[Marty fox]

Nah, you're being subjected to the old Reformer's doctrines pointing to the pope as the Antichrist, and Rome as the Revelation Babylon harlot. You are being deceived, big time, by those doctrines from men.

(In the days of the Christian Reformers, they were persecuted by the Roman Church, and they both had war against each other. The Reformers thought the pope then was the prophesied Antichrist and thus Rome had to be the Babylon harlot. Their interpretation obviously did not pan out per history. But their descendants still to this day push their doctrines against the pope and Rome. And by the way, I am not a Catholic. My ancestors were French Huguenots that fled 15th century France because of Catholic persecution. The Huguenots were the first French Protestants.)

The Babylon harlot of Revelation is about Jerusalem when the coming Antichrist (2nd beast) is setup over it as king for 42 months. This is why we are shown in Revelation 11:8 that Jerusalem is where God's two witnesses show up to prophesy against the beast for 1260 days.

What the ten horns of the beast per Revelation 17:16 is about the 1st beast of Revelation 13:1-2, a beast 'kingdom' in power in Jerusalem for the very end of this world when false Messiah shows up there and places the "abomination of desolation". The harlot is Jerusalem, and is from a metaphor that our Heavenly Father used about Jerusalem when it fell to paganism per the Ezekiel 16 Chapter. In that Chapter God revealed that He married Jerusalem, yet she went and played the harlot against Him.

You've been 'had', most likely by false Jews that have crept into that church system you attend. It's the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that will setup their 'god' as king of the world in future Jerusalem, spiritually desolating Jerusalem like a harlot. Pointing to a pope and Rome instead is their way of distracting your attention away from endtime Jerusalem.

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

You really assume a lot of things about me which I never said or believe. The pope is not the antichrist and Rome is not Babylon the great.

Yes I agree Jerusalem is the harlot mystery Babylon the great but she was in the past

There are no false Jews in my church and my views have nothing to do with my church

 

[ewq1938]

10. The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is when a person is born again and is spiritually resurrected?

The problem with this idea is that Revelation 20 specifically says those who are of the first resurrection had died from being beheaded in the great Tribulation. They were beheaded "for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God" which means they were already "spiritually resurrected" ie: born-again Christians before dying so the only resurrection left for them to experience would have to be a bodily resurrection. Revelation 20:4 is depicting dead Christians coming back to life (physical resurrection).

 

[Davy]

You really assume a lot of things about me which I never said or believe. The pope is not the antichrist and Rome is not Babylon the great.

Yes I agree Jerusalem is the harlot mystery Babylon the great but she was in the past

There are no false Jews in my church and my views have nothing to do with my church

Yet you say things like the below, which is not hiding your belief in the old Reformer's doctrine about Rome applied to Revelation 17.

You said the following applied towards the Revelation 17:16-17 Scripture, which that Scripture is for the end of this world, and not 70 A.D. Rome.

"The example of this is using Rome to destroy Jerusalem."

Rome is not involved in destroying Jerusalem for the end of this world. By saying that you are pointing to Rome as an empire, a word you ALSO used in your post!

Time to quit talking falsely. You've been found out.

 

[Marty fox]

Yet you say things like the below, which is not hiding your belief in the old Reformer's doctrine about Rome applied to Revelation 17.

You said the following applied towards the Revelation 17:16-17 Scripture, which that Scripture is for the end of this world, and not 70 A.D. Rome.


Rome is not involved in destroying Jerusalem for the end of this world. By saying that you are pointing to Rome as an empire, a word you ALSO used in your post!

Time to quit talking falsely. You've been found out.

Found out for what what are you talking about?

I don’t think Rome is part of destroying Jerusalem at the end of the world you keep misquoted me and you have no idea what I believe.

 

[Davy]

Found out for what what are you talking about?

I don’t think Rome is part of destroying Jerusalem at the end of the world you keep misquoted me and you have no idea what I believe.

What is it about some brethren here that don't like to be held accountable for what they say?

You said in your post...

"But it is the beast and his army that destroys Babylon the great.

Revelation 17:16-17
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

You see when it says that Jesus comes its His coming in judgement and God uses evil empires to do His work just like the verses above says. The example of this is using Rome to destroy Jerusalem. The coming in the verse below also wasn't literal but symbolic for judgement on Egypt"

Let's break down what you said:

1. "... it is the beast and his army that destroys Babylon the great."

No, it is NOT the beast that destroys ITSELF. The Babylon Harlot as a queen per Revelation 17:3-4 SITS UPON THE BEAST OF TEN HORNS AND SEVEN HEADS, meaning the Harlot (Jerusalem) is in control OVER THE BEAST SYSTEM.

The Rev.13:1 beast = the beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns (what she sits over). Jerusalem (the Harlot) will be the RULING CITY over that beast representing a ONE-WORLD BEAST KINGDOM over all nations and peoples (i.e., the "waters" of Rev.17:1 and 17:15)! That is where the coming Antichrist (false Messiah) is to rule from, i.e., Jerusalem. This is why the Harlot says of herself in Rev.18 that she sits as a queen, and am no widow. That is an Old Testament pointer to Jerusalem in widowhood per Lamentations By her saying she is no widow, means she is 'married', but not to God in this case, but to the coming Antichrist. Afterall, per Revelation 21, Jerusalem is also called the Bride of The Lamb.


2. "and God uses evil empires to do His work just like the verses above says."

In past history God has used evil empires to do judgments, but not in the case of destroying the future beasts of Revelation 13. It is LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO will destroy that future beast kingdom and the beast king (Antichrist) on the day of His future coming. THERE IS NO EMPIRE INVOLVED IN THAT. The evil empire for the END IS... the beast kingdom of Revelation 13:1! That will be the ONLY one allowed to exist at the end before Jesus comes to destroy it!


3. "The example of this is using Rome to destroy Jerusalem."

And there it is, your FALSE assumption that Rome is involved as your "evil empires" idea that will destroy the beast. Not written.

I will lay it out for you down and dirty; up to you to confirm it in God's Word.

Jesus and His Apostles warned about the coming of a false-Messiah prior to His return to gather His faithful Church. That coming false-Messiah He specifically showed in Matthew 24, and said to not believe it when some say that is Him having returned.

That coming false-Messiah (actually pseudo-Christos in the Greek text), is to sit in a rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself as GOD, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thess.2). The Babylon Harlot is a symbolic name for Jerusalem in that time, fallen into false worship because of that future false-Messiah who the deceived will believe is God. That false one represents Satan's attempt to replace God, and even what belongs to God. And what's that? Jerusalem, because God said Jerusalem is where He has chosen to dwell forever, and He married Jerusalem symbolically per Ezekiel 16. Thus Satan covets Jerusalem for his own, and that is what he is going to try and do for the coming tribulation.

And for that reason, Jerusalem will be spiritually desolate by that future false idol worship the "another beast" (2nd beast of Rev.13:11-14) will setup there. Jerusalem will be made into the symbolic Babylon Harlot by that future act.

Yet that place is still... where the false-Messiah as king will rule over ALL nations for the coming tribulation. This is what today's movement for a "one world government" is about. And when that one-world beast kingdom is established, it will be the ONLY idea of an 'empire' to exist at the end.

This is why Daniel 2 reveals that ONLY Christ can destroy that future one-world beast system and that "man of sin" coming to sit over it at the end. Saying Rome is involved in that is like saying man came from a monkey (which some actually believe to their demise).

 

[Marty fox]

What is it about some brethren here that don't like to be held accountable for what they say?

You said in your post...



Let's break down what you said:

1. "... it is the beast and his army that destroys Babylon the great."

No, it is NOT the beast that destroys ITSELF. The Babylon Harlot as a queen per Revelation 17:3-4 SITS UPON THE BEAST OF TEN HORNS AND SEVEN HEADS, meaning the Harlot (Jerusalem) is in control OVER THE BEAST SYSTEM.

The Rev.13:1 beast = the beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns (what she sits over). Jerusalem (the Harlot) will be the RULING CITY over that beast representing a ONE-WORLD BEAST KINGDOM over all nations and peoples (i.e., the "waters" of Rev.17:1 and 17:15)! That is where the coming Antichrist (false Messiah) is to rule from, i.e., Jerusalem. This is why the Harlot says of herself in Rev.18 that she sits as a queen, and am no widow. That is an Old Testament pointer to Jerusalem in widowhood per Lamentations By her saying she is no widow, means she is 'married', but not to God in this case, but to the coming Antichrist. Afterall, per Revelation 21, Jerusalem is also called the Bride of The Lamb.


2. "and God uses evil empires to do His work just like the verses above says."

In past history God has used evil empires to do judgments, but not in the case of destroying the future beasts of Revelation 13. It is LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO will destroy that future beast kingdom and the beast king (Antichrist) on the day of His future coming. THERE IS NO EMPIRE INVOLVED IN THAT. The evil empire for the END IS... the beast kingdom of Revelation 13:1! That will be the ONLY one allowed to exist at the end before Jesus comes to destroy it!


3. "The example of this is using Rome to destroy Jerusalem."

And there it is, your FALSE assumption that Rome is involved as your "evil empires" idea that will destroy the beast. Not written.

I will lay it out for you down and dirty; up to you to confirm it in God's Word.

Jesus and His Apostles warned about the coming of a false-Messiah prior to His return to gather His faithful Church. That coming false-Messiah He specifically showed in Matthew 24, and said to not believe it when some say that is Him having returned.

That coming false-Messiah (actually pseudo-Christos in the Greek text), is to sit in a rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself as GOD, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thess.2). The Babylon Harlot is a symbolic name for Jerusalem in that time, fallen into false worship because of that future false-Messiah who the deceived will believe is God. That false one represents Satan's attempt to replace God, and even what belongs to God. And what's that? Jerusalem, because God said Jerusalem is where He has chosen to dwell forever, and He married Jerusalem symbolically per Ezekiel 16. Thus Satan covets Jerusalem for his own, and that is what he is going to try and do for the coming tribulation.

And for that reason, Jerusalem will be spiritually desolate by that future false idol worship the "another beast" (2nd beast of Rev.13:11-14) will setup there. Jerusalem will be made into the symbolic Babylon Harlot by that future act.

Yet that place is still... where the false-Messiah as king will rule over ALL nations for the coming tribulation. This is what today's movement for a "one world government" is about. And when that one-world beast kingdom is established, it will be the ONLY idea of an 'empire' to exist at the end.

This is why Daniel 2 reveals that ONLY Christ can destroy that future one-world beast system and that "man of sin" coming to sit over it at the end. Saying Rome is involved in that is like saying man came from a monkey (which some actually believe to their demise).

Again you are assuming things that I haven’t said or believe please stick to what I say and stop confusing what I did say.

I never said that Rome will destroy the beast I said that the beast destroyed Babylon the great. I believe that happened in 70 AD when God had Rome destroy Jerusalem.

Luke 19:41-44
41As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes.43The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side.44They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”