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The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

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  1. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    I see you're using one passage where what is spoken is undeniably literal to deny scripture's later repeated symbolic use of the same event in passages where scripture is speaking metaphorically, and to deny the fact that scripture is saturated with metaphor and hyperbole when it speaks of God's judgment coming upon a nation or nations.

    I don't have to defend my argument, because it's a matter of fact. It's your argument that is baseless.
     
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    This is false.
    Revelation 20 is the only book to tell us how much time is between the resurrection of the saved VS. the resurrection of the unsaved. It shows that there is a thousand years inbetween the two mass resurrections.

    Rev 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

    The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest have to wait for their resurrection:

    "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

    This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

    This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrections separated by a thousand years.

    The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.



    The resurrection of life is the first resurrection of Revelation 20 that happens BEFORE the thousand years. The resurrection of damnation is the resurrection that is AFTER the thousand years mentioned by Revelation 20:5.



    Obviously this is speaking of the resurrection to life, eternal life. The unsaved dead are not mentioned because they are not part of that resurrection.



    This also addresses only those of the resurrection to eternal life, the first resurrection group of Revelation 20.




    That is the day of the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) which is the last day of this Earth before the new Earth is seen in Revelation 21.
     
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    A non-global very small and localized killed supports Premillennialism not Amillennialism. Have you forgotten Amillennialism claims a global slaughter at the second coming?
     
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    The new heaven and earth is very tangible, your claims regarding my belief are "False"

    The New Heaven and Earth will have rivers, fish, fishermen, nets Ezekiel 47:1-12 houses built, vineyards planted, animals living in harmony, a return to the garden of eden Isaiah 65:17-25

    Those outside the gates are the wicked in the Lake of fire, that will be present in the new heaven and earth Isaiah 66:24
     
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    That verse is about dead bodies that are slowly being burned because there are too many to do all of them at the same time. That's why the worm has lots of food and doesn't die quickly from the cremation. Nothing about the lake of fire there.
     
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    Copy @ewq1938
    Whats easy to understand about what you (once again falsely) assert is that the New Testament NEVER uses the word for anyone who has died in the flesh or is not alive. Here are some examples before I produce the list of verses using the word zao below it:

    But she who lives in self-pleasure has died while living (zao). 1 Timothy 5:6.

    While He spoke these things to them, behold, a certain ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, My daughter has just now died. But come and lay Your hand on her and she will live (zao). Matthew 9:18

    For a covenant is affirmed over those dead, since it never has force when the covenanting one is living (zao). Hebrews 9:17

    Therefore He is able also to save to the uttermost those who come unto God by Him, since He ever lives (zao) to make intercession for them. Hebrews 7:25

    But they shall give account to Him who is ready to judge the living (zao) and the dead. 1 Peter 4:5

    Therefore I solemnly witness before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who is going to judge the living (zao) and the dead according to His appearance and His kingdom 2 Timothy 4:1

    and deliver those who through fear of death were all their lifetime (zao) subject to bondage. Hebrews 2:15

    1 Thessalonians 4
    13 But I would not have you ignorant, brothers, concerning those who are asleep, that you be not grieved, even as others who have no hope.
    14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him all those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.
    15 For we say this to you by the Word of the Lord, that we who are alive (zao) and remain until the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.
    16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead (nekros) in Christ shall rise first.
    17 Then we who are alive (zao) and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.
    18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.


    Philippians 1
    21 For to me to live (zao) is Christ, and to die is gain.
    22 But if I live (zao) in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labor. Yet I do not know what I shall choose.


    Here's the list of New Testament scriptures using the word zao. It's NEVER used for anyone who has died in the flesh before Revelation 20:4:

    Matthew 16:16
    Matthew 22:32
    Matthew 26:63
    Matthew 27:63
    Mark 5:23
    Mark 12:27
    Mark 16:11
    Luke 2:36
    Luke 4:4
    Luke 10:28
    Luke 15:13
    Luke 20:38
    Luke 24:5
    Luke 24:23
    John 4:10
    John 4:11
    John 4:50
    John 4:51
    John 4:53
    John 5:25
    John 6:51
    John 6:57
    John 6:58
    John 6:69
    John 7:38
    John 11:25
    John 11:26
    John 14:19
    Acts 1:3
    Acts 7:38
    Acts 9:41
    Acts 10:42
    Acts 14:15
    Acts 17:28
    Acts 20:12
    Acts 22:22
    Acts 25:19
    Acts 25:24
    Acts 26:5
    Acts 28:4
    Romans 1:17
    Romans 6:2
    Romans 6:10
    Romans 6:11
    Romans 6:13
    Romans 7:1
    Romans 7:2
    Romans 7:3
    Romans 7:9
    Romans 8:12
    Romans 8:13
    Romans 9:26
    Romans 10:5
    Romans 12:1
    Romans 14:7
    Romans 14:8
    Romans 14:9
    Romans 14:11
    1 Corinthians 7:39
    1 Corinthians 9:14
    1 Corinthians 15:45
    2 Corinthians 1:8
    2 Corinthians 3:3
    2 Corinthians 4:11
    2 Corinthians 5:15
    2 Corinthians 6:9
    2 Corinthians 6:16
    2 Corinthians 13:4
    Galatians 2:14
    Galatians 2:19
    Galatians 2:20
    Galatians 3:11
    Galatians 3:12
    Galatians 5:25
    Philippians 1:21
    Philippians 1:22
    Colossians 2:20
    Colossians 3:7
    1 Thessalonians 1:9
    1 Thessalonians 3:8
    1 Thessalonians 4:15
    1 Thessalonians 4:17
    1 Thessalonians 5:10
    1 Timothy 3:15
    1 Timothy 4:10
    1 Timothy 5:6
    1 Timothy 6:17
    2 Timothy 3:12
    2 Timothy 4:1
    Titus 2:12
    Hebrews 2:15
    Hebrews 3:12
    Hebrews 4:12
    Hebrews 7:8
    Hebrews 7:25
    Hebrews 9:14
    Hebrews 9:17
    Hebrews 10:20
    Hebrews 10:31
    Hebrews 10:38
    Hebrews 12:9
    Hebrews 12:22
    James 4:15
    1 Peter 1:3
    1 Peter 1:23
    1 Peter 2:4
    1 Peter 2:5
    1 Peter 2:24
    1 Peter 4:5
    1 Peter 4:6
    1 John 4:9
    Revelation 1:18
    Revelation 2:8
    Revelation 3:1
    Revelation 4:9
    Revelation 4:10
    Revelation 5:14
    Revelation 7:2
    Revelation 7:17
    Revelation 10:6
    Revelation 13:14
    Revelation 15:7
    Revelation 16:3
    Revelation 19:20 cast alive into the lake of fire.
    Revelation 20:4

    It would be helpful if Amilennialists would not cling to obvious falsehoods like you do just in order to argue against a fact that you cannot argue against.
     
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    Yes, death, hades and Satan will be destroyed in the lake of fire at the close of a thousand chílioi years:

    χίλιοι chílioi A THOUSAND (one thousand)

    When the Greek means THOUSANDS, it leaves you with no doubt as to the meaning:

    144,000 hekatón tessarákonta téssares chiliás (one hundred) (forty) (four) (thousands).
    20,000 eíkosi chiliás (20 x 1,000), example Luke 14:31.
    12,000 dṓdeka chiliás (12 x 1,000), example Revelation 7:5.
    10,000 déka chiliás (10 x 1,000), example Luke 14:31.
    7,000: ἑπτακισχίλιοι heptakischílioi, example Romans 11:4.
    5,000: πεντακισχίλιοι pentakischílioi, example Matthew 14:21,
    OR pénte chiliás (5 x 1,000), example Acts 4:4.

    4,000: τετρακισχίλιοι tetrakischílioi, example Matthew 15:38.
    3,000: τρισχίλιοι trischílioi, example Acts 2:41.
    2,000: δισχίλιοι dischílioi, example Mark 5:13.

    Likewise, when the Greek means ONE THOUSAND, it leaves you with no doubt as to the meaning:

    1,000 (a thousand, one-thousand): χίλιοι chílioi (2 Peter 3:8; Revelation 11:3; 12:6; 14:20; 20:2-7).

    Notice the difference between chiliás and chílioi in the above list.

    The word chílioi means a literal thousand in the following verses in the Revelation:-

    Revelation 11:3
    And I will give power to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand [chílioi], two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.

    Revelation 12:6
    And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, so that they might nourish her there a thousand [chílioi], two hundred and sixty days.

    One thousand days + two hundred days + sixty days = 1,260 days.

    Revelation 14:20
    And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even to the bridles of the horses, for the space of a thousand [chílioi], six hundred stadia.

    One thousand stadia + six hundred stadia = 1,600 stadia.

    So in the Greek New Testament, one thousand, two thousand, three thousand, four thousand, five thousand, seven thousand goes like this:

    chílioi, dischílioi, trischílioi, tetrakischílioi, pentakischílioi (or pénte chiliás), heptakischílioi .. and higher (a different word for each one).

    I've now provided proof that a thousand (chilioi) in the New Testament means a thousand only. Can you provide proof that a thousand in Revelation 20 means thousands please?

    @Truth7t7 Also, you avoided the question: Who is outside New Jerusalem bringing their honor into it in Revelation 21:24-26?
     
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    Truth7t7 Well-Known Member

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    I clearly answered your question, the wicked are outside the gates of New Jerusalem, in the lake of fire, plain, simple, a direct response

    Those outside the gates are the wicked in the Lake of fire, that will be present in the new heaven and earth Isaiah 66:24

    Only the righteous saved will enter into New Jerusalem, the wicked seen in verse 15 below, they are outside the gates in the Lake Of Fire, as seen in Isaiah 66:24

    Revelation 22:14-15KJV
    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
    15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

    Isaiah 66:24KJV
    24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
     
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    How can the wicked bring their glory and honor into New Jerusalem when they're in the lake of fire?

    If they're bringing their glory and honor into New Jerusalem it means they are outside of it.
     
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    Keep looking for your fairy tale Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it's found no place in scripture

    Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

    1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
    2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
    3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

    The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

    Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

    100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

    2 Peter 3:8KJV
    8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    Revelation 20:1-6KJV
    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
     
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    There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

    This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

    (Behold, I Make All Things New)

    2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    Revelation 21:1-5KJV
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

    Matthew 24:29-30KJV
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
    13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    Luke 17:29-30KJV
    29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
    30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


    2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
    on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

    Malachi 3:2KJV
    2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

    Psalm 46:6KJV
    6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

    Psalm 50:3KJV
    3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

    Psalm 97:5KJV
    5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

    Isaiah 66:15KJV
    15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

    Zechariah 14:12KJV
    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    Nahum 1:5-6KJV
    5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
    6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

    Revelation 20:9KJV
    9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
     
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    As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

    Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

    afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim


    (Then Cometh The End)

    (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

    1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
    21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end,
    when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
     
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    Once again and again and again

    "Only The Saved" bring their glory and honor into New Jerusalem, the wicked are outside the gates in the lake of fire as presented several times

    No place in the scripture below does it state the wicked enter the gates as you suggest, stop the misrepresentation, my response is direct and very easy to understand before your eyes, read verse 27 below real slow

    Revelation 21:24-27KJV
    24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
    25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
    26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
    27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
     
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    Yes.

    Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


    Of course, more than one even:

    Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Rev_22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.



    Yes, the thousand years is all about them!

    Second coming:

    Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    The verb RULE here is in the future tense so it happens after the events of Armageddon are completed.

    After the second coming:

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Even Daniel saw beasts still alive after the destruction of the ten horned beast and beasts are kingdoms full of people! That further proves a thousand years of ruling over people!

    Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
    Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    The peoples who made up these beasts will live on for a season and a time, and that TIME is the thousand years.


    Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
    Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    And guess what we have here? Christ comes after the ten horned beast is destroyed and he is given a kingdom! That kingdom begins at the start of the thousand years just as Premillennialism teaches. All of this proves Amillennialism to be false.


    That's laughable and sad because the claims are scriptural.
     
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    Can you please show me the verse that says last resurrection so I can study that out?

    Thanks.
     
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    Thats in Revelation chapter 23, Smiles!
     
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    It doesn't teach that at all. You teach that (in bold, large-sized font).

    Without using bold, large-sized font, scripture teaches this:

    So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
    And He sitting on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful.
    2 Corinthians 5:17; Revelation 21:5

    And He said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; and should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knows not how.
    For the earth brings out fruit of itself,

    first [prōton] the blade, then [eîta] the ear, after that [eîta] the full grain in the ear. But when the fruit has been brought out, immediately he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come. Mark 4:26-29

    But now Christ has risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruit of those who slept. For since death is through man, the resurrection of the dead also is through a Man.
    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first-fruit, and afterward they who are Christ's at His coming;

    then [eîta] is the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He makes to cease all rule and all authority and power.
    for it is right for Him to reign until He has put all the enemies under His feet. The last enemy made to cease is death. 1 Corinthians 15:20-26.

    That's what scripture teaches, without using bold, large-sized font.

    But using bold, large-sized font, you teach this:

    first [prōton] the blade, then [eîta] the harvest.

    You skip a stage or two - in bold, large-sized font. I wonder why?

    You have made him a little lower than the angels. You crowned him with glory and honor and set him over the works of Your hands. You have subjected all things under his feet." For in order that He put all things under him, He did not leave anything not subjected. But of this present time (nŷn) we do not yet see all things having been put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God should taste death for every son. Hebrews 2:7-9.

    first [prōton] the blade, then [eîta] the ear, after that [eîta] the full grain in the ear. But when the fruit has been brought out, immediately he puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come.
     
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  18. Truth7t7

    Truth7t7 Well-Known Member

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    It appears that your eschatology declares the sky is green and the grass is blue

    Not one word in your response proves the claims made below wrong, not a one


    As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

    Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

    afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim


    (Then Cometh The End)

    (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

    1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
    21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end,
    when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
     
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    Davy Well-Known Member

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    Ah... so there it is. Delusional fantasies made up OUTSIDE Bible Scripture.

    There is NO SCRIPTURE proving that Jesus was ever in a flesh body BEFORE he was born of woman's womb. To even infer that He was, is to COMPLETELY LEAVE God's written Word.

    At the end of John 8 when Jesus was speaking to the unbelieving Jews, He said that Abraham saw His day and rejoiced and was glad. That had... to have been by prophesy that Jesus showed Abraham back in Genesis when He appeared to Abraham. That in NO WAY meant Jesus was then in a flesh body! Your idea is actually pretty SICK.
     
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    No, Apostle Paul did a good job of that, ever read his Epistles, or do you just stay in the Torah?

    1 Cor 15:49-50
    49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

    50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    KJV

    That's the SECOND TIME I've posted the above Scripture evidence for you. Read it and weep, ye of little faith.
     
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