The Meaning Of “NO MORE” In Revelation

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Zao is life

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LOL. Your claims are utterly ridiculous. No one takes you seriously. So, I guess you don't accept what is written in passages like the following.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

It seems that you don't believe that it was necessary for Jesus to take the power of death away from the devil, Satan, in order to "deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.". Yet, that is exactly what this passage indicates.
Your claims are utterly ridiculous, You cannot be taken seriously, and no serious person would take you seriously, because only those who are willing to practice intellectual dishonesty agree with you (and they do).

How many times do you need to be reminded that the above has nothing to do with a thousand years or Satan's ability to deceive the nations (Revelation 20:1-3) taken away for a thousand years, or with a brief reversal of what is being spoken about above after a thousand years, before you stop acting the joker?

Are you implying that Christ defeated Satan's power over death for a thousand years but this will be reversed for a short time at the end of the thousand years?

No? Then why are you still relating the one passage to the other?

You need prayer, seriously. How did Jesus take away Satan's power to deceive the nations for a thousand years by destroying his power over death forever and ever?

How did Jesus destroy Satan at the time when the Lord rose again from the dead, destroying Satan's power over death forever and ever? Was it by casting him into the lake of fire?

No? Then continue to make a joke of yourself CONFLATING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPICS (the destruction of Satan's power over death; a thousand years, a brief reversal of what is being spoken about at the close of a thousand years, Satan's deception of the nations, and Satan's destruction) - so that you can continue to make a fool of yourself. I'm done with helping you to make a joke of yourself regarding this also - for now.
 
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Spiritual Israelite

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Your claims are utterly ridiculous, You cannot be taken seriously, and no serious person would take you seriously, because only those who are willing to practice intellectual dishonesty agree with you (and they do).
LOL!

How many times do you need to be reminded that the above has nothing to do with a thousand years or Satan's ability to deceive the nations (Revelation 20:1-3) taken away for a thousand years, or with a brief reversal of what is being spoken about above after a thousand years, before you stop acting the joker?
I don't need to be reminded of anything by someone like you who has no understanding of the thousand years or the binding of Satan. I don't need to be lectured by someone like you who foolishly thinks that people will be resurrected when Jesus comes and then allowed to walk around on the earth and continue living their lives instead of proceeding to be judged, as scripture teaches.

Are you implying that Christ defeated Satan's power over death for a thousand years but this will be reversed for a short time at the end of the thousand years?
Yes, of course.

No? Then why are you still relating the one passage to the other?
Why didn't you just let me answer instead of again making a fool of yourself with another of your foolish assumptions?

You need prayer, seriously.
I seriously couldn't care less what you think. You need to pray to God to ask Him to give you the wisdom that you currently lack when it comes to understanding Revelation 20.

How did Jesus take away Satan's power to deceive the nations for a thousand years by destroying his power over death forever and ever?

How did Jesus destroy Satan at the time when the Lord rose again from the dead, destroying Satan's power over death forever and ever? Was it by casting him into the lake of fire?
Where does it say that He took away his power over death that he used to keep people in bondage to the fear of death forever? Are you making things up again? That will happen when Satan is cast into the lake of fire, which we both know hasn't happened yet.

No? Then continue to make a joke of yourself CONFLATING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPICS (the destruction of Satan's power over death; a thousand years, a brief reversal of what is being spoken about at the close of a thousand years, Satan's deception of the nations, and Satan's destruction) - so that you can continue to make a fool of yourself. I'm done with helping you to make a joke of yourself regarding this also - for now.
LOL. You should be embarrassed by your foolish rants. You keep trying to answer the questions for me. Why not be an adult and let me answer the questions myself before you again make a fool of yourself by trying to speak for me and misrepresenting my view yet again?

Why didn't you address the point I was making about Hebrews 2:14-15? You say that God didn't need to bind Satan in order to bring salvation to the world, so do you also think that Satan didn't need to have the power of death taken away in order for those who were kept in bondage to the fear of death to be set free with the hope of eternal life after death?
 

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Does the Greek word zao and the word it's derived from ever mean something other than to bodily live, to be bodily living, to be bodily alive in the New Testament when the word is used in reference to human beings (i.e not when used in reference to God, but when used in reference to human beings)?

**Short answer:** *Yes, but only when the people involved are physically alive.*
When **ζάω (zaō)** and its forms refer to human beings in the New Testament, the word **can sometimes refer to “spiritual life,” but *only* when the person is already physically alive.**

**ζάω never means “spiritual resurrection” when applied to someone who is (or was) physically dead.**

Below is the full breakdown.

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# ✔️ 1. The core meaning of *zaō*

The basic meaning is always:

> **to live, be alive (bodily life)**

This is its literal meaning and its default sense throughout the NT.

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# ✔️ 2. Can *zaō* be used metaphorically for human spiritual life?

**Yes—but only when the context makes it explicitly metaphorical and the person is already physically alive.**
Examples:

### **Romans 6:11**

> “Count yourselves dead to sin but **alive** to God in Christ Jesus.”

### **Galatians 2:20**

> “I no longer live, but Christ **lives** in me.”

### **1 Peter 4:6**

> “…that they might **live** in the spirit according to God.”

In these passages, the people are physically alive, so “life” can be used metaphorically.

**Important:** These are *not* describing someone who had died physically and then spiritually “lived.”
They describe living people whose life “to God” is spiritual rather than physical.

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# ✔️ 3. What about when *zaō* is used of people who have died?

**In every NT case where *zaō* is applied to humans who were physically dead, it means *bodily life*, never spiritual life.**

Examples:

* Jairus’s daughter: **Matthew 9:18, 25**
* Christ: **Romans 14:9; Revelation 2:8**
* The beast in Revelation: **Rev 13:14**
* Revelation 20:4–5 (key example):

* *“they **came to life** (ἔζησαν)”*
* *“the rest of the dead did **not** come to life”*

In every such case, the subject is physically dead, and *zaō* always means **literal resurrection to bodily life**.

There are **zero** examples in the NT where *zaō* is used of a dead human being to mean **“spiritually alive.”**

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# ✔️ 4. So what is the full answer to your question?

## ✔️ Does *zaō* ever mean something other than bodily life **when referring to humans**?

### **Yes — but only when referring to spiritually alive *living* humans.**

Examples: Romans 6:11, Galatians 2:20, 1 Peter 4:6.

### **No — when the humans involved are (or were) physically dead, *zaō* always means bodily life or bodily resurrection.**

This includes the “came to life” of Revelation 20:4–5.

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# ✔️ Summary

| Situation | Does *zaō* ever mean “spiritual life”? |
| ----------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Humans who are physically alive** | **Yes** — metaphorically, in a few passages |
| **Humans who have physically died** | **No** — it *always* means literal life or bodily resurrection |
| **God / Christ** | Metaphorical uses occur, but not relevant to your question |

So the NT **never** uses *zaō* to mean “spiritually alive” in any case where the subject is a **dead human being**.

This is why Revelation 20:4–5 *cannot* be speaking of merely spiritual life—because the subjects are described explicitly as **having been killed**.

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If you want, I can also give:

* a complete list of every NT occurrence of *zaō* used metaphorically,
* the lexical entries from BDAG, LSJ, and TDNT, or
* a chart comparing *zaō* with *anastasis* and other resurrection verbs.
This is a joke.

Now that Premils have lost the online debate they have resorted to trying to get Chat GPT to rescue their doctrine from the abyss. It can only present what is fed into it from online sites, most of which are skewed and erroneous. Why not ask it what it thinks about abortion, sodomy and Trans behavior.
 
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This is a joke.

Now that Premils have lost the online debate they have resorted to trying to get Chat GPT to rescue their doctrine from the abyss. It can only present what is fed into it from online sites, most of which are skewed and erroneous. Why not ask it what it thinks about abortion, sodomy and Trans behavior.
They are completely desperate at this point, so they have resorted to relying on unreliable AI to support their doctrine. I guess they see ChatGPT as a replacement for the Holy Spirit.

I just asked ChatGPT "Is there anything wrong with being homosexual?". It's answer: "From ethical, scientific, medical, and human-rights perspectives, there is nothing wrong with being homosexual.". That blatantly contradicts Romans 1:26-27 and other scriptures. ChatGPT doesn't care about the word of God when giving feedback about moral questions, so why do these people put so much trust in it when it comes to biblical truth? That's foolish.
 
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They are completely desperate at this point, so they have resorted to relying on unreliable AI to support their doctrine. I guess they see ChatGPT as a replacement for the Holy Spirit.

I just asked ChatGPT "Is there anything wrong with being homosexual?". It's answer: "From ethical, scientific, medical, and human-rights perspectives, there is nothing wrong with being homosexual.". That blatantly contradicts Romans 1:26-27 and other scriptures. ChatGPT doesn't care about the word of God when giving feedback about moral questions, so why do these people put so much trust in it when it comes to biblical truth? That's foolish.
They have put their trust in that. So delusional!
 
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Revelation 20:3
“…that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled…”
Meaning a COMPLETE CESSATION while Satan the deceiver is locked up. Which matches everything else, your parameters are just not correct. The verse tells us the parameters, TILL THE 1000 YEARS ARE FULFILLED, so its pretty obvious this means for the fulness of Satan being in the bottomless pit.

By the way, the New Creation can not have a sea NO MORE, it just means that humans will not have a sea on he new earth, because the new creation never had a sea.

The bible supports Jesus ruling for 1000 years, whatever you guys want to call it is not going to change those factoids.
 

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Meaning a COMPLETE CESSATION while Satan the deceiver is locked up. Which matches everything else, your parameters are just not correct. The verse tells us the parameters, TILL THE 1000 YEARS ARE FULFILLED, so its pretty obvious this means for the fulness of Satan being in the bottomless pit.

By the way, the New Creation can not have a sea NO MORE, it just means that humans will not have a sea on he new earth, because the new creation never had a sea.

The bible supports Jesus ruling for 1000 years, whatever you guys want to call it is not going to change those factoids.

Either I don't explain myself very well at times, or that some are simply not reading some of my posts correctly and carefully. I am a Premil, and that I believe the thousand years follow the 2nd coming, and that I believe 'no more' in Revelation means exactly what you stated--COMPLETE CESSATION while Satan the deceiver is locked up. Then you insist that my parameters are not correct. Are you sure that you didn't mean to respond to an Amil instead? After all, it should be Amils that are disputing the OP not Premils.
 

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Either I don't explain myself very well at times, or that some are simply not reading some of my posts correctly and carefully. I am a Premil, and that I believe the thousand years follow the 2nd coming, and that I believe 'no more' in Revelation means exactly what you stated--COMPLETE CESSATION while Satan the deceiver is locked up. Then you insist that my parameters are not correct. Are you sure that you didn't mean to respond to an Amil instead? After all, it should be Amils that are disputing the OP not Premils.
I know what they mean when I look them up, but since I never use them I do not know off hand what they mean in general, as in which is which.

I was more or less showing that NO MORE in scriptures doesn't always have to mean no more, as in forever, it can in general be a way to define a period of time in which something happens no more.

One that sorta means the same thing is Rev. 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

It of course does not mean "TIME" will go away, there has to be time as long as mankind are in this Universe, that is how God designed our universe, HINT, this universe will be a "TIMETRAP" to Satan and all of those who love evil more than God, this universe will be hell, that is why it is set ablaze at the end.

Satan, nor men can escape this universes time trap. What is meant by Rev. 10:6 is that time [AS WE HAVE KNOWN IT UNDER Satan's Rule] will be no longer. In other words, Jesus is moving in, things are about to change, time as we have known it will no longer be the same.