The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

[FaithWillDo]

I actually do... understand the difference.

Dear Davey,

No, you don't understand the difference between spiritual and carnal. I'll explain why below.

You said:
So don't try to tell me I don't understand the difference between carnal thinking and spiritual thinking which deals with HEAVENLY things.

You need to re-read my post to you. I am talking about God's Word and that it is written in "another language". Christ says that the words used in that language are "spirit" - they are heavenly things. The words mankind uses are "carnal" and they are earthly things.

Also, when Christ teaches us with "spirit" words, you are applying the message He is teaching "carnally" (outwardly) rather than "spiritually" (inwardly).

Here is an example of what I am saying:

Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Does Christ really mean that if you use a sword to kill others, then you must likewise be killed with a sword?

I hear that verse quoted quite often by others but they understand its message carnally. They really believe that Christ is talking about a literal steel bladed sword. So if we understand this verse carnally, Christ's statement can easily be proven to be FALSE. There are countless examples of people who have used violence to kill others but then do not die from that same type of violence - it almost goes without saying.

Is Christ mistaken or is His message something else?

The spiritual language of the Word of God utilizes the Hebrew and Greek languages. However, Christ assigns meanings to the Hebrew and Greek words which are different from how they are commonly defined:

1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

In Matt 26:52, Christ is using the word SWORD to teach us a spiritual message. To understand what the spiritual symbol "sword" represents, we must look at how it is used elsewhere in scripture. In other words, we must compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edge sword...

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword...

From the verses presented above, it is easy to understand that the spiritual word "sword" represents the Word of God who is Christ.

Christ’s hidden spiritual point He is making in Matt 26:52 is that all who take up the Sword (those who are “called out”), must perish (death of the carnal nature) by the Sword. This death is a necessary part of the conversion process which happens when the Word of God (Christ, the Sword) comes to a person.

When Christ gives an unbeliever a blow to their head with His Sword, He does so when He gives them the Early Rain. However, the Early Rain leaves them spiritually blind. Because they are blind, Satan quickly and easily deceives them into accepting "another gospel". After they accept this false gospel, the deadly wound to their head is healed. In other words, their carnal mind does not die. However, to be saved, it must die so that the believer can have the mind of Christ.

Christ is the head of the church but Satan heals the wound by his deceptions and the believer remains a child of the Devil. And with the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ, the believer becomes an even worse child of the Devil.

This truth is presented by the spiritual symbol "Seven Headed Beast" used in Rev chapter 13. The Seven Headed Beast represents a fallen away believer who is under the control of the spirit of anti-Christ. Contained in the description of the Beast, it shows that one of its heads has a deadly wound by a sword which has been healed:

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Because it is healed, the believer is still a child of the Devil (mankind). For this reason, Christ must "come again" to His fallen away Elect and give them the Latter Rain. With the Latter Rain, Christ gives them a second blow to their head by His Sword. With this blow, they will die and be converted into a child of God.

This spiritual message is what this verse is also teaching:

Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

So when I tell you that your understanding of God's Word is carnal and not spiritual, what I have explained above is what I mean. You define the words of Christ as man's defines them and then you apply those words carnally (outwardly) rather than spiritually (within). This is why "end-time" prophecy is so greatly misunderstood. Carnal believers define Christ's "spirit" words as mankind defines them. They then apply the message "outwardly" into the world rather than "inwardly" into a believer.

You said:
And Solomon's reference to 'twice' a thousand years is NOT a reference to Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20.

As I explained above, you are defining the words of the verse carnally, as mankind's does. You must use the spiritual meaning of the words used in the verse.

Understanding the verse as you do, the verse contains an obvious falsehood:

Ecc 6:5 Moreover he hath not seen the sun, nor known any thing: this hath more rest than the other. 6 Yea, though he live twice a thousand years, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

Has mankind not ever seen the sun? Has mankind not ever known anything?

By trying to understand this verse carnally, a carnal believer will make the first part of the verse is FALSE.

Unbelievers who read this scripture will do the same. When they do, they will point out this glaring error and use it as an example of why scripture is unreliable. They will also do the same thing with Mat 25:62.

Can you now understand the difference of understanding God's Word "spiritually" rather than "carnally"?

Joe

 

[ewq1938]

the only scriptures that appear to support the Millennium doctrine are found in one single chapter of the Bible in Revelation.

the rest of the Bible utterly contradicts it.

That isn't true but it is expected from Amill since the first identified Amill did op[pose the canonization of Revelation. Rev is fully Premill in nature so that opposition, and others, is expected.

 

[Davy]

the only scriptures that appear to support the Millennium doctrine are found in one single chapter of the Bible in Revelation.

the rest of the Bible utterly contradicts it.

maybe the title of the thread should've been 'Share your favorite Revelation 20 verse.'

Not true. The Old Testament prophets refer to that future reign by Christ...


Isa 24:19-23
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

Verse 22 above is about the kings of the earth that sided with Satan being locked in his pit prison with him for that future reign by Christ. It is pointing directly to the events of Rev.20.

 

[Davy]

Dear Davey,

No, you don't understand the difference between spiritual and carnal. I'll explain why below.

Oh but I do... and I well understand the Occult connections with what you are calling 'spiritual'. It's you that does not understand the difference nor its source.

You said:
So don't try to tell me I don't understand the difference between carnal thinking and spiritual thinking which deals with HEAVENLY things.

You need to re-read my post to you. I am talking about God's Word and that it is written in "another language". Christ says that the words used in that language are "spirit" - they are heavenly things. The words mankind uses are "carnal" and they are earthly things.

I read that, but it's not true, it's only something you've picked up from others on the 'social' circuit, so to say.

God's Word is written in 'simplicity' in easy to understand languages. What you are 'trying' to point to is actually nothing but the idea of allegory, parable, metaphor, etc. But those things exist in ALL... languages of the world.

God's Word often uses those methods of allegory, parable, metaphor, etc., in order to make understanding in His Word MORE SIMPLE and easy to understand. But when He speaks of Heavenly things using those SAME words of simplicity, that is where those not given to understand become lost in confusion.

Also, when Christ teaches us with "spirit" words, you are applying the message He is teaching "carnally" (outwardly) rather than "spiritually" (inwardly).

There's no such idea as "spirit words" in God's Word.

Now His Word was given via The Holy Spirit, but the way you are trying to say it is like there's some mystical 'spirit language', like the gibberish of those who claim to speak the cloven tongue, but really just speak gibberish from another spirit.

Thus those in Christ may speak 'under influence of The Holy Spirit' words easy to understand, like Apostle Paul said, but not in some mystery language idea like you're trying to create that doesn't exist.

Here is an example of what I am saying:

Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Does Christ really mean that if you use a sword to kill others, then you must likewise be killed with a sword?

I hear that verse quoted quite often by others but they understand its message carnally. They really believe that Christ is talking about a literal steel bladed sword. So if we understand this verse carnally, Christ's statement can easily be proven to be FALSE. There are countless examples of people who have used violence to kill others but then do not die from that same type of violence - it almost goes without saying.

You are lost in your own mind if you think Jesus was not talking to Peter about his literal steel sword!

I guess you never read Revelation 13:10 either that says those who kill with the sword must be killed with the sword, pointing to the latter days at the end of this world.

The meaning is simple. Those who live a life 'by the sword', will likely die that way also. Nothing else to it, no mystery spirit language either.

The rest of your post is just too silly to address.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Oh but I do... and I well understand the Occult connections with what you are calling 'spiritual'. It's you that does not understand the difference nor its source.


I read that, but it's not true, it's only something you've picked up from others on the 'social' circuit, so to say.

God's Word is written in 'simplicity' in easy to understand languages. What you are 'trying' to point to is actually nothing but the idea of allegory, parable, metaphor, etc. But those things exist in ALL... languages of the world.

God's Word often uses those methods of allegory, parable, metaphor, etc., in order to make understanding in His Word MORE SIMPLE and easy to understand. But when He speaks of Heavenly things using those SAME words of simplicity, that is where those not given to understand become lost in confusion.


There's no such idea as "spirit words" in God's Word.

Now His Word was given via The Holy Spirit, but the way you are trying to say it is like there's some mystical 'spirit language', like the gibberish of those who claim to speak the cloven tongue, but really just speak gibberish from another spirit.

Thus those in Christ may speak 'under influence of The Holy Spirit' words easy to understand, like Apostle Paul said, but not in some mystery language idea like you're trying to create that doesn't exist.


You are lost in your own mind if you think Jesus was not talking to Peter about his literal steel sword!

I guess you never read Revelation 13:10 either that says those who kill with the sword must be killed with the sword, pointing to the latter days at the end of this world.

The meaning is simple. Those who live a life 'by the sword', will likely die that way also. Nothing else to it, no mystery spirit language either.

The rest of your post is just too silly to address.

Dear Davy,

Your beliefs are not coming from scripture.

Christ clearly says that His words are "spirit" and scripture is a record of His words.

Isa 28:9-12 also says that Christ speaks in "another language".

But when Christ came, didn't He speak in Hebrew? Yes, of course, He did. But since His words are "spirit", and since spirit words have meanings which are different than what man's wisdom teaches, the Hebrew which Christ spoke became "another language".

You said that "God's Word is written in 'simplicity' in easy to understand languages" but that is a teaching of the apostate church and is contradicted by scripture.

Isa 28:12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, because it is given unto you (the Apostles/Elect) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

But at the time when Christ answered the disciples' question (before they were converted on the Day of Pentecost), the disciples could not understand His teachings:

Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, it is because we have no bread. 17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve. 20 And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven. 21 And he said unto them, HOW IS IT THAT YE DO NOT UNDERSTAND?

And just as the Apostles were spiritually blind and had no understanding before they were converted, so are the churches in the world who are full of unconverted believers. For that reason, there is no unity of understanding in the church. The church has become apostate and are places where the blind lead the blind. This has caused the church to splinter into around 2,000 different sects/denominations - all with their own particular false understanding of God's Word.

Where is the "simplicity" of understanding that you say exists?

And even AFTER a believer receives the Latter Rain and is given "eyes that can see" (Mark 21-25), finding the truth is still a painstakingly difficult process:

Prov 2:1 My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, 2 making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; 3 yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, 4 if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, 5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

After I was converted in 2005, it took years of studying on my own to find the hidden treasures of God which I have been presenting to you. I do not get my understanding from "others on the 'social' circuit" as you like to believe. My understanding of the truth is a gift from God and I value what He has given me above all the earthly treasures of men. For this reason, I consider myself highly blessed by God and one of the richest men in the world.

Finally, your carnal understanding of God's Word makes Christ out to be a liar. Christ says that those who take up the sword will die by the sword. He does not say "will likely". You are changing God's Word to support your carnal understanding of that verse. That is a very common practice by spiritually blind believers who can't let go of their carnal beliefs.

This verse applies to you:

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Since you do not understand the spiritual language of Christ, I will explain this verse to you.

"Dogs" is the symbol for Gentile unbelievers. "Swine" is the symbol for called out believers who are spiritually blind - both Jew and Gentile. A "Pearl" is a symbol for the truth of God which is found in Christ.

I have presented you the truth of God, but has this verse warns, you have trampled the truth of God under your feet (rejected it) and have insulted (rent) me.

You have also spiritually fulfilled Revelation chapter 10 for me and my belly has turned bitter.

I will end this discussion with you now since Christ has not prepared your heart to receive His words - He is the only one who can heal the blind.

Joe

 

[M3n0r4h]

Rev is fully Premill in nature

nice try

 

[M3n0r4h]

Not true. The Old Testament prophets refer to that future reign by Christ...


Isa 24:19-23
19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

Verse 22 above is about the kings of the earth that sided with Satan being locked in his pit prison with him for that future reign by Christ. It is pointing directly to the events of Rev.20.

all those verses support an Amill position.

they are describing the Last Day upon the earth and there can only be one Last Day.

1 Cor. 15:23-24 and Matt. 24:29 prove that the day Jesus returns is the Last Day.

no time, nor support in scripture, for a thousand years upon "this" physical earth thereafter.

Rev. 20 is a spiritual depiction of 1 Cor. 15:21-27.

 

[ewq1938]

nice try

Same thing was said to that first identified Amill who tried to stop Revelation from being canonized.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Same thing was said to that first identified Amill who tried to stop Revelation from being canonized.

there's nothing wrong with Revelation, it's the twisted interpretation of it that Pre-Mills wave around as proof of a doctrine that doesn't fit in with the rest of the Bible at all and is supported by not a single verse of scripture anywhere outside of Rev. 20.

 

[ewq1938]

there's nothing wrong with Revelation, it's the twisted interpretation of it that Pre-Mills wave around as proof of a doctrine that doesn't fit in with the rest of the Bible at all and is supported by not a single verse of scripture anywhere outside of Rev. 20.

No, there's nothing wrong with Revelation, it's the twisted interpretation of it that A-Mills wave around as proof of a doctrine that doesn't fit in with the rest of the Bible at all and is supported by not a single verse of scripture anywhere inside or outside of Rev. 20.

 

[ElieG12]

To understand what will happen in the Millennium of Rev. 20:1-6 it is necessary to understand what awaits this current human system and what will happen after that on earth.

Is a JUDGMENT DAY coming upon all living humans, or not? What do you think?

 

[Davy]

all those verses support an Amill position.

Well, this discussion with you is over. You are just like the folks on man's Dispensationalist theories of a false pre-trib rapture. You just go the other extreme with false Amillennialism. This present world is NOT Christ's Kingdom to come, nor will it ever be. And there will be a "thousand years" period of Christ's reign with His elect over all nations prior to the Great White Throne Judgment and casting of unbelievers into the future "lake of fire".

 

[M3n0r4h]

And there will be a "thousand years" period of Christ's reign with His elect over all nations prior to the Great White Throne Judgment and casting of unbelievers into the future "lake of fire".

unfortunately you don't have any scripture to support that.

Rev. 20 can't stand alone within the entirety of the Bible as the sole source of the Millennium doctrine when there is no support for your preferred interpretation of what it is teaching.

nobody who believes in Millennialism has ever presented any scripture outside of Rev. 20 to support the popular interpretation that there will be a thousand years on this physical earth after Christ returns, and the weight of scripture 100% contradicts it among ALL of the other end times passages of the Bible.

the Bible is clear that the earth will be destroyed upon Christ's return, which is the Day of the Lord destruction of the world and all of the wicked with it.

the Bible does not support the mainstream churchianity teaching that the earth will remain for another millennium after Christ's return. it's just a sad fact.

 

[ewq1938]

unfortunately you don't have any scripture to support that.

Rev. 20 can't stand alone within the entirety of the Bible as the sole source of the Millennium doctrine when there is no support for your preferred interpretation of what it is teaching.

nobody who believes in Millennialism has ever presented any scripture outside of Rev. 20 to support the popular interpretation that there will be a thousand years on this physical earth after Christ returns, and the weight of scripture 100% contradicts it among ALL of the other end times passages of the Bible.

the Bible is clear that the earth will be destroyed upon Christ's return, which is the Day of the Lord destruction of the world and all of the wicked with it.

the Bible does not support the mainstream churchianity teaching that the earth will remain for another millennium after Christ's return. it's just a sad fact.

The true sad thing is how nothing you posted is scripturally true. The Earth is not destroyed at the second coming nor does a single verse say that. The thousand years does take place after Christ returns and Rev is clear on that.

People reading need to know that the first identified Amill (who was Catholic) opposed the canonization of Rev. This is because the book supports the Premill beliefs of the early church, being itself Premill.

 

[M3n0r4h]

The true sad thing is how nothing you posted is scripturally true. The Earth is not destroyed at the second coming nor does a single verse say that. The thousand years does take place after Christ returns and Rev is clear on that.

People reading need to know that the first identified Amill (who was Catholic) opposed the canonization of Rev. This is because the book supports the Premill beliefs of the early church, being itself Premill.

this post is chock full of false conclusions.

I'll start with the ridiculous notion that if you can present a random individual, who professed a similar belief, and make a case that they were foolish, that somehow automatically makes me, and the belief, foolish.

FALSE

you also declare, as a rock-solid fact, that "The Earth is not destroyed at the second coming nor does a single verse say that."

now I will obliterate your credibility by demanding that you admit you are sorely mistaken when I present multiple verses from scripture that say just that.

are you willing to accept that challenge here today?

yes/no?

 

[ewq1938]

this post is chock full of false conclusions.

I'll start with the ridiculous notion that if you can present a random individual, who professed a similar belief, and make a case that they were foolish, that somehow automatically makes me, and the belief, foolish.

FALSE

you also declare, as a rock-solid fact, that "The Earth is not destroyed at the second coming nor does a single verse say that."

now I will obliterate your credibility by demanding that you admit you are sorely mistaken when I present multiple verses from scripture that say just that.

are you willing to accept that challenge here today?

yes/no?

You think this is my first time on this subject? Go ahead, I already know whatever you post will not be what you claim.

I'll even go first and show the Earth is still undestroyed past the second coming in both Amill and Premill interpretations:

(In Premill, the second coming has already happened--the Earth is not destroyed)

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


(in Amill this fire is the second coming and the Earth is still not yet destroyed)

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Still the Earth is not yet destroyed! It's not until the next chapter that John sees the new heaven and Earth, which is when this current Earth is destroyed. In both Amill and Premill the Earth is not destroyed at the second coming but comes after the second coming in both views.

No scripture will contradict any of this.

 

[M3n0r4h]

You think this is my first time on this subject?

nope because I've argued this with you many times on multiple sites.

I, and others, prove you wrong repeatedly and you just keep marching forward as if you never encountered any contradictions to your position.

why am I not surprised that the single solitary chapter you take all your proof texts from is the tired Rev. 20?

the one and only location in all of scripture that Pre-Mils stand upon to make their entire case, over and over and over, while not one of the many other end times passages in scripture coincide with the Pre-Mil interpretation of that chapter.

Still the Earth is not yet destroyed!

Rev. 20 is a spiritual presentation of 1 Cor. 15 and the earth is most certainly destroyed very clearly in 15:24, contrary to the sorely misinterpreted Rev. 20 that speaks of the current reign of Christ Jesus upon the earth through all Christians who are indwelled with Him.

No scripture will contradict any of this.

ALL scripture outside of Revelation contradicts it. that's what's so humorous about those who are passionate Pre-Mils.

it doesn't matter how many times they are shown the proof of every single other end times passage that states that the earth will be completely destroyed, right down to its basic elements, on the very day that Christ returns, they will still delusionally carry their torch of loyalty to the false doctrine they've been taught for decades from the seminary sorcerers and pulpit pimps of the fallen churches throughout the world.

the Bible completely disagrees with the zionist contention that there will be a thousand years upon this physical earth after Christ returns in order for the jews to live out their time in the physical land of Israel when all of the Land Promises were completed thousands of years ago and they LOST that land due to repeated idolatry and disobedience and the Bible makes that crystal clear repeatedly in Joshua and Nehemiah.

your pet doctrine doesn't have a leg to stand upon.

 

[ewq1938]

nope because I've argued this with you many times on multiple sites.

I don't know you.

why am I not surprised that the single solitary chapter you take all your proof texts from is the tired Rev. 20?

More evidence that Amill's hate Rev, especially chp 20.

the one and only location in all of scripture that Pre-Mils stand upon to make their entire case, over and over and over, while not one of the many other end times passages in scripture coincide with the Pre-Mil interpretation of that chapter.

None "coincide" with it nor is it the only passage used to support Premill.

Rev. 20 is a spiritual presentation of 1 Cor. 15 and the earth is most certainly destroyed very clearly in 15:24, contrary to the sorely misinterpreted Rev. 20 that speaks of the current reign of Christ Jesus upon the earth through all Christians who are indwelled with Him.

That is the "sorely misinterpreted Rev. 20".

ALL scripture outside of Revelation contradicts it.

False.

 

[keithr]

Some verses to consider, 2 Peter 3:5-13 (WEB):

(5) For this they willfully forget that there were heavens from of old, and an earth formed out of water and amid water by the word of God;​

(6) by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.​

(7) But the heavens that now exist, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.​

(8) But don’t forget this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.​

(9) The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.​

(10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.​

(11) Therefore since all these things will be destroyed like this, what kind of people ought you to be in holy living and godliness,​

(12) looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, which will cause the burning heavens to be dissolved, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?​

(13) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.​

Note verse 6 says that the world was overflowed with water (the Great Flood in the days of Noah) and perished. The world perished, yet the earth still remained. Verse 10 says that "the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up", but the earth will still remain.

Ecclesiastes 1:4​

(4) One generation goes, and another generation comes; but the earth remains forever.​

Psalms 78:69​

(69) He built his sanctuary like the heights, like the earth which he has established forever.​

Psalms 104:5​

(5) He laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be moved forever.​

Verses 7 & 8 say that the Day of Judgement is a thousand years. During that time the evil works of men will be burned up - they will cease. They will be replaced with Christ's righteous rule.

 

[M3n0r4h]

Some verses to consider, 2 Peter 3:5-13 (WEB):

(5) For this they willfully forget that there were heavens from of old, and an earth formed out of water and amid water by the word of God;​

(6) by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.​

(7) But the heavens that now exist, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.​

(8) But don’t forget this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.​

(9) The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.​

(10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.​

(11) Therefore since all these things will be destroyed like this, what kind of people ought you to be in holy living and godliness,​

(12) looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, which will cause the burning heavens to be dissolved, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?​

(13) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.​

Note verse 6 says that the world was overflowed with water (the Great Flood in the days of Noah) and perished. The world perished, yet the earth still remained. Verse 10 says that "the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up", but the earth will still remain.

Ecclesiastes 1:4​

(4) One generation goes, and another generation comes; but the earth remains forever.​

Psalms 78:69​

(69) He built his sanctuary like the heights, like the earth which he has established forever.​

Psalms 104:5​

(5) He laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be moved forever.​

Verses 7 & 8 say that the Day of Judgement is a thousand years. During that time the evil works of men will be burned up - they will cease. They will be replaced with Christ's righteous rule.

the Day argument is just silly.

Jesus wasn't referring to a thousand year period the six times He mentions resurrecting people on the Last Day. that would be silly to interpret it that way.

the Peter verse is always misconstrued when the true meaning is obvious right in the verse.

a day (in God's experience) is AS a thousand years (to man), and a thousand years (in God's experience) is AS a day (to man).

it's not saying that every time you see the word day in the Bible it really means a thousand years. diligent students of the Bible understand that clearly. it's just saying that God exists outside of the human confines of time which God created from outside of it where He remains.

the word forever in the Bible means until the end of time, not eternity.

time ends when the earth and all that is in it (the sky and very elements????) are destroyed as that is the 3 dimensional time, space and matter dimension. there is no time where God exists in the realm of spirit.

to take all the end times passages that clearly state that the earth will be completely destroyed and come away with the interpretation that the earth WILL NOT be destroyed is just plain ignoring what scripture plainly teaches many times, in many places - which confirms itself repeatedly in that way.

Jesus says the Last Day many times...

eschatology declares the earth will be destroyed down to its basic elements by fire...

1 Cor. 15:23-24 tells us that THE END comes immediately after Christ returns, which coincides with Matt. 24:29...

end of story.