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  1. *Light*

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    Hello Family of God,

    This message is part two of a discussion regarding the Nature of the Triune God, and the many misinterpretations and fallacious arguments from false religions, occults, false teachers, false prophets, those in academia, and in diverse scholastic fields in the study of religion and Christianity. It is HIGHLY critical that Sacred Scripture MUST be interpreted with Sacred Scripture in order to attain Scriptural Harmony: if the perspicuity of a Biblical text cited is misinterpreted by the speaker, then it forces the interpreter to depart from the doctrinal clarity or teaching being discussed. The biggest threat from the Kingdom of Darkness is found within the church visible; where clandestine messengers of Satan (Grk. "aggelos Satana") infiltrate local churches to accuse those in leadership -- in order to hinder the spreading of the True Gospel, and the uncompromising exclusivity its message (e.g., "Pastors, Elders, Deacons, etc."; cf. Num. 33:55; Acts 4:12; 2 Cor. 11:12-15; 12:7-10; 2 Pet. 2:1).

    "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather [REPROVE THEM]." (Ephesians 5:11)

    I. Man's Pride, and The Triune God as the ONLY Savior of mankind.
    II. Golden Calves.
    III. The Unique Oneness and BEING of The Triune Godhead, which belongs to Him ALONE.
    IV. The Immutability of God; and why we can have Absolute Trust in His Promises because of this.
    V. The Divine Providence and Absolute Sovereignty of God (Rom. 8:28).
    VI. Prayers: A Direct Communication to God through Christ Jesus.
    VII. Is God fair? And the True and Righteous Judgments of God (cf. Ps. 19:9).
    VIII. Taking out the Trash (The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb Forever Reign Supreme).
    IX. The Love of God
    X. Eternal Life: Fellowship with God and the Lamb Forever.
    XI. Closing Remarks with Exhortations & Encouragements.

    [Golden Calves]:

    "And without controversy great is [the mystery of godliness] (Grk. to tes eusebeias musterion; i.e., "The Revelation of God in Christ -- disclosed within the pages of Holy Scripture"): God was [manifest] (Grk. phaneroo; i.e., "The Incarnation of the Eternal Son of God") in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." (1 Timothy 3:16)

    The Doctrine of the Trinity (i.e., "The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit") essentially teaches that God [is] ONE in BEING, as clearly revealed in Holy Scripture; and this biblical doctrine is considered by many to be logically fallacious and unreasonable by the critics within the secular world; and thus in conflict with naturalism, rationalism, atheism, empiricism, open theism, humanism, and SCHISMS. This Revelation of the One True and Living God in Holy Scripture has been misrepresented and maligned by the religiosity of the unregenerate as polytheistic, heretical, an invention of man, pagan or demonic in origin, and even as a denial of a MONOTHEISTIC God. When the Gospel is presented Truthfully and accurately, utilizing the correct principles of biblical interpretation (e.g., "context, hermeneutics, exegesis, perspicuity, etc.") -- and without bias, then there may be a glimmer of hope for those who were led astray by demon doctrines or devilish wisdom and knowledge that is contrary to the Absolute Truth (cf. Jas. 3:13-18) -- and any "gospel" or doctrine that denies His role as the ONLY Savior of mankind is heretical, divisive, and soul-damning (Jn. 8:24; 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12; Rom. 10:13-15; Gal. 1:8-9; 1 Tim. 4:10; 2 Pet. 1:20-21).

    "Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, [STRIVE] (Grk. agonizesthe "to struggle as if your life depended on it, because it does; in this life, and in the age to come"; cf. 2 Thess. 1:4-10; 2 Tim. 3:10-12; 1 Pet. 4:18-19) to enter in at the strait gate: for [MANY, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able]. When once [THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE IS RISEN UP], and [HATH SHUT TO THE DOOR], and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity." (Luke 13:23-27)

    There are literally Thousands of religions in this world of lies (i.e., "MANY") -- and they are ALL based on human achievement (i.e., "NOT BE ABLE: seeking to earn Heaven through their works; that is, there OWN righteousness") – and each person is culpable if they choose the wrong path. There is ONLY One Faith that stands on its OWN, and its message is delivered by the Spirit of God Himself; for the Incarnate God bore witness to the exclusivity of the Christian Faith -- and reveals that Creation, objective moral values written in the hearts of humans, and Eternity, clearly points to the Only Creator, so mankind is without excuse (Eccles. 3:11; Acts 17:27; Rom. 1:19-20; 2:14-16). The Only True God He has declared in Holy Scripture that there is Only ONE WAY, and that way is Narrow – and Testifies that man can never earn Eternal Life – and that Eternal Life is a GIFT of Divine Accomplishment, and not meritorious.

    The [Master of the House] is NONE OTHER than our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and once He has [RISEN] (i.e., awaken from His sleep; and sleep is often used interchangeably for physical death) – and the opportunity granted to receive the Free Gift of Eternal Life is rejected, and the DOOR is SHUT (i.e., "Salvation is ONLY through the Atoning Death and [Resurrection] of Jesus Christ"; Jesus said "I AM THE DOOR"; Jn. 10:9) – there remains no more Sacrifice for sins (cf. Matt. 12:32; Lk. 16: 28-31; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:26-27) -- because He (i.e., "Jesus") ALONE grants Eternal Life, and NO amount of the keeping of the law, or self-righteousness, can merit Salvation (i.e., "The House is the Kingdom of God, or the Father's House; and the Master of that Kingdom is the Lord God Almighty and His Christ").

    I will lay out several reasons why God MUST be Triune in Being, because the Holy Scripture would collapse if this were not so. The Entirety of Scripture is about God our Redeemer, and He is THE Foundation or Rock that we are to build upon:

    - More than One Person Must Bear Witness/Testimony to The Truth. (cf. Deut. 17:6; Matt. 18:19-20; Jn. 5:34-39; 8:17-18; 18:37; Heb. 10:15-17)
    - There MUST be a Mediator, and He MUST be a PERFECT Mediator in order to reconcile lost sinners to the Most Holy God of Scripture; and to Truly experience humanity as the God-man, partaking in flesh and blood (cf. 2 Cor. 5:14-21; 1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 2:14-15; 4:15; 7:26-28; 8:6; 9:24-26)
    - God, by His Immutable Nature, MUST possess a PERFECT Love from Eternity Past (i.e., "Intra-Trinitarian Love"; cf. Jn. 17:19-26) – and this Perfect Love shared between the Three Persons of the Divine Godhead MUST be Equal in Nature (cf. Matt. 3:17; 15:9; 17:5) – and this Epitomizes The Greatest Act of Sacrificial Love ever put on Display ("the Lamb slain BEFORE the foundation of the world as the Free Gift of God's Grace, Mercy, and the Forgiveness of sins"; cf. Mk. 2:5-7; Lk. 7:44-48; Jn. 3:16-18; 15:13; Rev. 13:8)

    Biblical Truth can only be understood through the Illumination of Scripture given by the Holy Spirit; who gives us the spiritual insight needed to understand the Word of God. Any belief system that is contrary to the objective Truths written in the Word of God originates from an Antichristian spirit (e.g., "Denial of the Deity of Christ, His Bodily Resurrection, and His Atonement for our sins") that does not seek to Glorify the person of Christ, and His Salvific work on the Cross, but to "demote" Him to the level of a mere creature (e.g., "Allah has sons by the tons, and Jesus Christ was nothing more than a messenger of Allah") rather than giving Jesus Christ the due Glory He deserves (Jn. 16:13-15; Acts 4:10-12; Rom. 15:17; 1 Cor. 1:31; 2:1-2; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 1:27; 1 Jn. 4:1-3).

    "But if our gospel be hid, [IT IS HID TO THEM THAT ARE LOST]: In whom [the god of this world] (Grk. ho theos tou aionos toutou – i.e., "The Devil, who is the ruler of this world system; and currently at work in this present age, until the Second Advent of Christ") hath [BLINDED THE MINDS] of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

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    What is the primary reason why the Biblical Doctrine of the Triune God (i.e., "the One True God of Holy Scripture revealed in Three Eternal Persons") is rejected, even by "professing" evangelicals? It is a product of the arch-deceiver (i.e., "the Devil") -- who introduces other "Gospels" and other Jesus'. The Satan has [BLINDED THE MINDS] of the unbelieving; this is all planned by subtly deploying mass deception, false belief systems (e.g., "evolution, philosophical arguments denying the existence of God, false religions, open theism, ecumenism, etc.") -- indoctrination of lies, redefining God and His Word to tickle the ears of false converts -- keeping men and women in the dark with distraction, confusion, misdirection, false accusations and slander towards Christians, pride and arrogance, prejudices, personal hatred, superficiality, and personal opinions or feelings stemming from the deceitful hearts of the unregenerate.

    "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting." (Galatians 6:7-8)

    "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that [THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE]: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, [THEY BECAME FOOLS], And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who [CHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE], and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." (Romans 1:20-25)

    A well-known skeptic by the name of James Randi (a.k.a. "The Amazing Randy") believes that the Bible is nothing more than a myth, and mocks the God of Holy Scripture; now he is a flaming homosexual as a result of his mockery towards the One True and Living God. Another example is found in a book titled, "The BLIND Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins, one of the leading proponents of evolutionary theory; and he stated that the Universe literally came into being from NOTHING. All of the aforementioned presuppositions must be laid aside if there are to be any meaningful dialogue; especially concerning a subject of such great significance, because the ramifications of rejecting this Absolute Truth are Eternal (cf. Jer. 17:9; Matt. 13:14; Eph. 2:1-3; 2 Pet. 1:19-21).

    "And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that [man doth not live by bread only], but by [EVERY WORD] (i.e., "BOTH The Old and The New Testament") that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live." (Deuteronomy 8:3)

    Being a [New Testament] "scholar" ONLY does not suffice if one were to understand the complete Revelation of God's Holy Word; and this is the main reason why there are MANY heretics and apostates who TEACH their students a Half Truth – and not BOTH the Old and New Testaments (cf. Isa. 40:6-8; Matt. 5:18; 1 Pet. 1:24-25). The Satan is very active today in the lives of many unconverted men who "earned" such titles as Biblical, New Testament, and Christian "scholars" (e.g., "the Jesus Seminar, Bart D. Ehrman, N.T. Wright, et al.") to deceive the ignorant and unlearned (cf. Hos. 4:6; 2 Pet. 3:14-17) -- which is essentially the dissemination of a distorted Gospel (e.g., the denial of "Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Biblical Inerrancy") -- which really isn't [the Gospel] at all (e.g., "the REAL Jesus, or the HISTORICAL Jesus"). Even more disturbing is that most of these Biblical and Historical "scholars" do not/cannot even agree with each other; giving false implications that the Jesus Christ of Holy Scripture is sub-par, and isn't an accurate, Historical account when juxtaposed with the "real/historical" Jesus these false teachers and historians in academia present as truthful, and they are not even Genuine Christians to begin with (cf. Rom. 16:17-18; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; 1 Tim. 6:20-21; Tit. 3:9-11; 2 Pet. 2:1-3).

    "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that [believeth] on him is [NOT CONDEMNED]: but he that [believeth not] is [CONDEMNED ALREADY] (Grk. ede kekritai – perfect tense, passive, indicative; i.e., "an irreversible sentence for the one who does not/will not/never believe"), because he hath not [BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD] (i.e., "Believing INTO the Name of Jesus Christ; His Testimony, His Lordship, and Him as the Only Savior and Redeemer of mankind")." (John 3:17-18)

    I will first begin by explaining in a nutshell what the Trinity is NOT; I will also be providing Irrefutable arguments to destroy every argument that raises itself against the knowledge of God, and we are all commanded to defend its Truth from all false teachings that raises itself against this cardinal and essential doctrine, but we are to do so in the spirit of meekness, so that the eyes of the unbelieving may be opened through the Illumination of the Holy Spirit revealed Truth, and perhaps God may grant them repentance (cf. 2 Cor. 10:4-5; 2 Tim. 2:15, 24-25; 3:16; 4:1-5; Tit. 1:9; 1 Pet. 3:15).

    "I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that [NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH]. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." (1 John 2:21-24)

    With every false Paterology, Christology, and Pneumatology; there will ALWAYS be a dead giveaway that reveals these false doctrines are in fact from the pits of hell to everyone who has the Truth residing in them (cf. Jn. 14:17; 15:26; 16:13; Acts 10:38; 2 Cor. 1:21). Below are a list of false doctrines and heresies that have been taught throughout church history in Christendom.

    - Arianism (aka "Nontrinitarianism"; i.e., "Jesus Christ is a creation of God, and not the Creator").
    - Modalistic Monarchianism (aka "Oneness Christology; Modalism; Sabellianism" – "God is One Person, and changes hats or modes").
    - "Christian" Science (the fact that "Christian" and "Science" do not go together is an oxymoron; thus their "god" is NOT the God Revealed in Holy Scripture).
    - The "god" of Mormonism (i.e., "a" god, and NOT [the] God of True Christianity).
    - The "god" of Islam (i.e., "Allah").

    The list above are in the category of doctrines of demons (lit., "doctrines taught by demons"), and these are usually given through false "epiphanies" to unregenerate men and women (i.e., "willing or unwillingly human conduits") who didn't take the time necessary to study the Scriptures, and were convinced that they were saved when they were never saved to begin with. As a result of their utter failure to take heed to the Command in Scripture itself to be found as a workman approved by God, confession of their sins, relying solely on the Grace of God through Faith for Salvation; these lying spirits from the kingdom of darkness were given permission to deceive these men and women by using them as a mouthpiece to disseminate their demon doctrines (cf. 1 Kgs. 22:21-23; Matt. 12:43-45; 1 Tim. 4:1; 2 Tim. 2:15; Rev. 16:13-14).

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    Arius was an elder at Baucalis (c., 250-336), where our beloved brother Mark was martyred; and this is where this ancient heresy propagated. He taught that our Lord Jesus Christ was a creature who was "begotten" by His Father at some point in time; and at the same time, Arius believed that Christ was God the Son, but not in the Orthodox understanding of the Deity of Christ. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would tell you that God does NOT come "into" being. The Jews clearly understood that if someone declared themselves to be the "son of" someone, he possessed the same [nature] as his father.

    "And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, [MY FATHER] (Grk. ho pater mou; lit., "my own Father", and not "our Father" -- cf. Matt. 6:9) worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself [EQUAL WITH GOD]. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, [The Son can do nothing of himself], but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:16-19)

    The Son can do NOTHING of Himself; this does not suggest that Christ has no power apart from His Father, but that they are ONE in Works, Sovereignty, Authority, Perfect Judgment, Purpose, and Equal Honor; see Jn. 5:17-23). Although God's act of [Creation] ended after the sixth day, He continues His work by sustaining all things in existence (cf. Jer. 10:12; Matt. 10:29-30; Rom. 1:20; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:2-3).

    "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and [said unto him], [My Lord and my God] (Grk. ho kurios mou kai ho theos mou)." (John 20:27-28)

    Thomas replied to JESUS (Grk. auto – nominative case ; i.e., "unto Him") -- and not to BOTH the Son (My Lord) and the Father (My God) -- and this isn't a reaction of surprise either (e.g., "oh my goodness!") -- for such a response, if it were to be the case, would most certainly elicit a stern rebuke from Jesus Himself. Furthermore, that sort of expression of surprise did not even exist at that time in History. Anyone who interprets this passage other than what it CLEARLY says is obviously lying through their teeth, or has no formal training in New Testament Greek, but as stated before; even though this Irrefutable Truth is explicitly presented as Biblical to those who deny the Deity of Christ; the spirit of Antichrist, and the deceitfulness of their heretical minds places a veil over their eyes and prevents them from seeing the Truth – even though clearly presented (1 Jn. 2:18; 4:2-3).

    "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of [the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ] (Grk. tou megalou theou kai soteros Iesou Christou); Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." (Titus 2:11-14)

    Once again, anyone trained in basic New Testament Greek would know of the Granville Sharp rule: When two nouns are used to describe a person, and the two nouns, which are not proper names (e.g., "John, Matthew, Peter") are joined by the copulative (i.e., "and"); and the first noun has the definite article (i.e., "the"), while the second noun does not, BOTH nouns are referring to the SAME person.

    "And [THIS IS LIFE ETERNAL], that they might [KNOW] thee [THE ONLY TRUE GOD], [AND] Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

    The Granville Sharp rule does not apply to the above text cited, but it does reveal that to have Eternal Life, one must not only KNOW God the Father, but the Son ALSO (cf. Jn. 5:17-23; 14:6-7; 1 Jn. 2:21-24).

    Well, Jesus Christ cannot be God because He clearly referred to His Father as the ONLY True God, right? No! As stated earlier, it is the Incarnation that seems to elude deniers of Christ's Deity (i.e., " Christ Jesus: Who, [being in the form of God] . . . But [made himself of no reputation], and took upon him the form of [a servant]" -- Phil. 2:6a-7). What would a [servant] (Grk. doulos; lit., "slave") refer to His Lord as, if there was ONLY One [TRUE] God? Jesus was BOTH God and Man; which is why He can refer to God as His Father also; Furthermore, to possess Eternal Life, one must have BOTH the Father AND the Son (cf. Jn. 8:19; 17:3; 1 Jn. 2:23; 2 Jn. 1:9).

    "I ascend unto [MY FATHER] (i.e., "Jesus' Divine nature calls God, His Father"), and your Father; and to [MY GOD] (i.e., "Jesus' human nature calls His Father, His God"), and your God." (John 20:17b)

    God [the] Father is Jesus' OWN Father (Grk. patera idion elege ton theon; i.e., "Possessing the Exact Nature, and Equality with His Father"; cf. Jn. 5:18) -- whereas, believers are the adopted children of God through being born of THE SPIRIT (Jn. 1:12).

    "Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, [MY GOD], [MY GOD] (Grk. Thee mou thee mou; i.e., "said TWICE; which was indicative of a passionate cry with zeal, and acknowledgment that the Father was TRULY HIS God"), why hast thou [FORSAKEN] me?" (Matthew 27:45-46)

    In order for Jesus Christ to be a legitimate sacrifice for the sins of mankind, He had to be 100% human, and He must also had to have been sinless (Phil. 2:7-9; 1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 9:14; 1 Pet. 1:18-21).

    I have come across many "Christian" cults that deny the Deity of Christ (e.g., "Christadelphians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Iglesia ni Cristo, etc.") -- and their arguments against His Deity are self-contradicting; that Jesus Christ is NOT [God Incarnate] (i.e., "The Second Person of The Triune Godhead") – arguments such as, "Jesus is the SON of God, but NOT God" – and this line of reasoning is akin to saying, "Gary is the SON of a human being, but NOT a human being". I don't understand why these heretical groups are categorized as "Christian" cults; because to do so is both an oxymoron and a misnomer: Christianity is NOT a cult, and any religious group which denies the Deity of Christ, or the Triune Godhead, is NOT Christian.

    Jesus Christ was BOTH God and Man (i.e., "hypostatic union: one person with two natures") – so the nonsense that Mary is the Mother of God is absurd; she is the Mother of Jesus Christ, the MAN – NOT God (cf. Matt. 1:23; 22:41-46; Lk. 1:46-47). In order to be a perfect Sacrifice for mankind, Jesus had to be FULLY human – because the wages of sin is death for all who are [in] Adam, and this is Eternal separation from God (Matt. 1:23; 16:16; Jn. 1:14; 8:58; 17:5; 1 Cor. 15:22; Col. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 1:3; 2:6-10).

    As a MAN, Jesus was forsaken by God the Father, as the sins of all the redeemed was placed on Him (Matt. 27:45-46) –- but the DIVINE NATURE of the God-man CANNOT be separated from the other persons of the Godhead (i.e., "An Omnipresent Spirit cannot be disconnected from the ONE SPIRIT BEING of the Triune Godhead; who transcends BOTH Space and Time"). Those who will ultimately end up in the Eternal Lake of Fire will be separated from God forever (i.e., "The Second Death: Death is separation, NOT Annihilation") – so they will be forever forsaken, because they made the final heart decision NOT to fully commit themselves to the Will of God, refusal to accept the Perfect and Only Sacrifice for their sins, rejected such a GREAT SALVATION, and spurned the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ (cf. Jn. 3:18-21; Heb. 2:3-4; 6:4-6; 10:28-29; 2 Thess. 1:6-10; Rev. 20:10-15).

    "And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, [THY SINS ARE FORGIVEN]." (Luke 7:44-48)

    "When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, [THY SINS BE FORGIVEN THEE]. But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? [WHO CAN FORGIVE SINS BUT GOD ALONE?]" (Mark 2:5-7)

    This rhetorical question given by the religious hypocrites is answered by their very own query; their answer was given to them through the act of Jesus' Compassion and Divine Mercy towards this repentant sinner, but they were spiritually blind to see this Amazing Truth. No one knows the heart of a person but that very person; and it is common in the proud and stubborn heart of fallen men to deceive even themselves (cf. Jer. 17:9; 1 Cor. 3:18-20; Gal. 6:3; 2 Tim. 3:13; 1 Jn. 1:8).

    "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God." (1 Corinthians 2:11)

    "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels." (Luke 9:26)

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    Sabellius was another heretical priest who taught in Rome (c., 215-) where this demon doctrine flourished during that period. Many are easily drawn by the allure of mystical practices, teachings, and philosophies (e.g., "Gnosticism") due to the promise of "secret" knowledge that only a select group of elite individuals can acquire an understanding of, but these are nothing more than "epiphanies" from lying and deceitful spirits whose aim is to throw monkey wrenches into True Christianity, to cause confusion and strife, and Satan uses this method effectively to hinder the spreading of the True Gospel which saves (cf. 2 Chron. 18:20-22; Mk. 13:22-23; 1 Tim. 4:1-4; Jas. 3:14-16; 2 Pet. 2:1ff; 1 Jn. 4:1; 2 Jn. 7-11).

    According to Oneness Pentecostal's like T.D. Jakes, God changes hats all too often; and the analogy that a family man can be a father to his children, a son to his own father (the grandparents of his children), a husband to his wife, and a businessman when in his office at his employer, is irrational by means of sound Biblical hermeneutics. This "analogy" is asinine; now let's reason together in order to conclude for ourselves if this false teaching propounded by these false teachers conflict in any way with the Christian doctrines widely accepted at the close of Biblical canon.

    "And God said, Let [US] make man in [OUR] image, after [OUR] likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." (Genesis 1:26-27)

    The noun [OUR] in the text cited above does NOT refer to the plural of majesty (i.e., "the royal we") – which is what single monarch's would often refer to themselves at times; this did not occur at the time of Moses. This also does NOT refer to angels referring to themselves as "our" either, because angels cannot CREATE human beings with souls – this is an act in which God Himself can ONLY perform (cf. Gen. 2:7; Ezek. 37:1-14).

    If the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are merely modes or manifestations, rather than literal persons; does this somehow imply that God prays to Himself? Did He pray to Himself in the Garden of Gethsemane? That if it were possible, that the cup of Divine Wrath pass from Him? Did He say to Himself, "Not [MY] will be done, but [YOURS] . . . which is also [MY] will" –- Is God the author of confusion? What about His high priestly prayer? (Matt. 14:23; 26:36-39; Lk. 6:12; Jn. 17:1-26; 1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 5:5-7).

    "And [JESUS], when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw [THE SPIRIT OF GOD] descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo [A VOICE FROM HEAVEN] (i.e., "God the Father"), saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:16-17)

    Why is Christ our ONLY Mediator and Intercessor? (Jn. 14:6; Rom. 8:38-39; Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24). It is ONLY through the God-man are we reconciled unto God the Father through Jesus Christ our Lord. Is the Glory that Christ had [with] His Father [before] the foundation of the world a Glory He had with Himself? So the Father was the Son BEFORE He "became" the Son at His Incarnation? (Jn. 1:1; 17:1,5). Does any of this make sense in the least to the rational mind God has given us? Is God Schizophrenic? Does He have multiple personality disorder? How often does He hold one-to-one conversations with Himself? Is God the author of confusion? (cf. Rom. 15:33; 1 Cor. 14:33; 2 Thess. 3:16; Heb. 13:20).

    Mormonism:

    This demon doctrine really needs no preliminary whatsoever, because any Genuine Christian with the least amount of spiritual discernment ought to be able to see this lie for what it truly is. There were no golden plates, and there have never been an angel named Moroni; names of angels are typically assigned according to their attributes and purposes as slaves of the Almighty to Glorify and Worship Him (e.g., "Michael" who is like God? answer: NO ONE). So what does Moroni mean? is this a personal pronoun in the middle voice to convey the attribute of this "angel's" dimwittedness?

    "And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, [I AM] hath sent me unto you." (Exodus 3:14)

    "Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even [FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING], thou art God." (Psalm 90:1-2)

    "Yea, [BEFORE THE DAYS WAS I AM HE]; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?" (Isaiah 43:13)

    "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, [DECLARING THE END FORM THE BEGINNING], and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Isaiah 46:9-10)

    "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, [FROM EVERLASTING]." (Micah 5:2)

    "For I am the Lord, [I CHANGE NOT]; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6)

    The "god" of Mormonism progresses in Knowledge, and even he himself had a god before him, and this would suggest an infinite regression of gods. Any sort of regress by definition is subject to mutability; and by very definition, any creature or being who comes INTO existence, or was created, has limited knowledge, power, and is subject to BOTH time and space. So there isn't much to refute -- it is apparent and indisputable that God does NOT CHANGE – and His Divine Attributes as revealed in Holy Scripture make this ABSOLUTELY CLEAR!

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    NOTHING in this passing world and beyond can bring me more JOY than to know the One True God of Creation, and "gaining" all things apart from knowing Him that is TRUE is nothing more than rubbish to me (cf. Ps. 37:4-5; Matt. 6:19-21; 13:44-45; 16:25-26; Mk. 8:36-38; Jn. 17:3; Phil. 3:7-11; 1 Jn. 2:15-17). I cannot fathom why anyone would desire anything more than to have fellowship with the Only True God: To Glorify Him, Worship Him with all our hearts, soul, strength, and mind; to establish a permanent relationship with Him that begins at conversion, and will continue FOREVER in the Eternal State.

    "But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung (Grk. skubala; i.e., "worthless trash given to dogs"), that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may [know him], and the power of his resurrection, and [the fellowship] of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead." (Philippians 3:7-11)

    There are 40 authors who were inspired by the Ruach/Pneuma of God to write Holy Scripture; and they were written in BOTH Jew and Gentile language, and these writers were of different professions (e.g., 'King, physician, fishermen, tentmaker, etc.") -- so this BOOK is unlike any book in recorded History. Each author is UNIQUE in his style of writing, and yet they are ALL in PERFECT ACCORD with other writers of Holy Scripture; which proves that the Testimony of each writer testifies to the veracity of EVERY WORD contained within Sacred Scripture (cf. Isa. 55:11; 1 Cor. 2:13; 1 Thess. 2:13; 2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:21; Jude 3). There is a grave danger in rejecting the Jesus Christ written and attested in The Word of God, and any Jesus Christ which deviates from the Historical Jesus Accurately REVEALED in Holy Scripture is ANOTHER Jesus, and they would fall into the category of False Christ's (i.e., "another Jesus; a Jesus who was not Crucified, or a Jesus who did not Rise from the Dead"; cf. 1 Cor. 1:23-31; 2 Cor. 11:3-4). By their very own words, these enemies and rejecter's of the Gospel have turned the Truth into their Lies, and they will be held accountable on the Day when God Judges the hearts of all men through our Lord Jesus Christ (cf. Matt. 12:36-37; Rom. 1:20-25; 2:14-16; Gal. 1:8-9).

    "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called [THE DEVIL], and Satan, [WHICH DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD]: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (Revelation 12:9)

    The god of this world system (i.e., "the ancient serpent") already has the unbelieving imprisoned and enslaved to their sins using mass deception and belief systems which are contrary to Scriptural Truths. No amount of persuasion can ever open the hearts and minds of deceived men and women, unless the Spirit of God on High removes the shackles. which they've been taken captive by the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience -- and Irrefutable proofs presented will fall on their deaf ears regardless of its clarity, and the unbelieving will remain darkened as they gloat over their scholastic achievements, and mock the Christian God and His people – but we must continue to pray that God may grant them repentance, leading to the knowledge of the Truth (cf. Jn. 8:44; Eph. 2:2; 2 Tim. 2:25-26; Rev. 12:9).

    "Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for [the wisdom of their wise men SHALL PERISH], and the understanding of their prudent men [SHALL BE HID]." (Isaiah 29:14)

    "For [the preaching of the cross] is to [them that perish] [FOOLISHNESS] (Grk. moria -- lit., "moronic"); but unto [us which are saved] it is [THE POWER OF GOD]. For it is written, [I WILL DESTROY] the wisdom of the wise, and will [BRING TO NOTHING] the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" (1 Corinthians 1:18-20)

    Biblical scholar, John Dominic Crossan insists that Jesus' appearance to Thomas and the rest of the Disciples after His Resurrection was a parable, and according to his reasoning; he said to himself in his studies . . . "of course these are parables you DUMMY." (it was a voice in his head). It is quite obvious to the spiritually discerning where this idea originated from (i.e., "demons and lying spirits") -- and to assume otherwise (i.e., "this is NOT a parable, and Jesus TRULY DID rise from the dead") would make the PROUD hearted, or those who boast about their scholastic achievements, give in to this nonsense (i.e., "this IS a parable, and Jesus did NOT rise from the dead, you DUMMY") because who wants to be a dummy, right? Hmmm . . . Well, the Bible says that we are to first become fools if we are to ever consider becoming wise (1 Cor. 1:18-21; 3:18).

    "[LET NO MAN DECEIVE HIMSELF]. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, [LET HIM BECOME A FOOL], that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that [THEY ARE VAIN]. Therefore [LET NO MAN GLORY IN MEN]." (1 Corinthians 3:18-21a)

    I am not an intelligent person by any stretch of the imagination, but Glory be to God that I have been given the ability to understand Sacred Scripture through the Revelation given by the Holy Spirit. There are Multitudes of self-professed biblical scholars and bible teachers who claim that they are the ultimate purveyors of Biblical Truths, and uphold the integrity of Scripture – even though they vastly differ from the Fundamental and Foundational teachings of Sola Scriptura. God MUST be understood as He is revealed in BOTH the Old and the New Testament; and godly, Holy Spirit inspired men who penned Holy Scripture knew God was a Triune Being, but the Full Revelation of His Being was not revealed until the Incarnation of the Son of God (cf. Gen. 19:24; Isa. 9:6; 48:16-17; Ps. 2:12; 45:6-7; 110:1; Matt. 11:27).

    Let God be TRUE, and every man a LIAR, right? And, it is better to TRUST in the Lord than to put confidence in man, correct? This isn't the case in contemporary Christianity, and sadly, even in Seminaries across the world (cf. Ps. 118:8; Rom. 3:4; Col. 2:8). This is the folly of scholastic pride from those who would place more reliance in their own fallible understanding of the Holy Scriptures than God Himself, or nominal "Christians" who are only dependent on scholars who possess mere intellectual assent, rather than godly men who are Illumined by the Ruach of God, and stand firm in the Truth. God will bring into account every idle word spoken by these men and women who slander, accuse, and distort the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, and this will seal their ultimate fate in the Eternal Lake of Fire if not repented of (cf. Job 5:12-13; Isa. 29:14; Jer. 8:9; Matt. 12:37; Lk. 6:45; 1 Cor. 1:19, 25; 3:19; 2 Pet. 3:16).

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    The majority of Earth's population are so distracted by looking down at their mobile phones and other electronical gadgets, that they fail to see what's going on above them, because their minds are flooded with garbage, and their ears are plugged; listening to nonsense and lies which are unprofitable to any hearer. Many men, and sadly, even women behind the pulpit are NOT teaching proper theology; and their sermons are designed to entertain their seeker-friendly congregation (e.g., "especially teens and young adults") in venues that are more akin to a rock concert than a local church that is profoundly interested in the TRUTH. They are designed to draw attention to the speaker rather than Glorifying God and Christ, and to nourish the flock with the Word of God. Technology (e.g., "television, video games, movies, internet pornography, etc.") -- for the most part, has defiled many young minds; and it has corrupted purity, godliness, and to contend for the Faith by living a life pleasing to the Lord by denying ourselves, and crucifying our flesh daily and its sinful passions (cf. Lk. 9:23; Rom. 6:12-18; Jas. 4:4; 1 Pet. 1:13-16).

    "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and [the whole world lieth in wickedness]. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. [THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, AND ETERNAL LIFE]." (1 John 5:18-20)

    The Devil is good at what he does (e.g., "deceiving others") -- insomuch, that he even deceived himself (i.e., "the possibility that he can dethrone the Almighty") -- and as a roaring lion seeking to devour his prey, he covers up his tracks by masquerading as an "innocent" dove, and as with all of his tactics; there is always a dead giveaway that exposes his schemes and ploys when the Glorious Light of the Holy Scripture reveals the hidden motives of this most vile and treacherous creature and stops him dead in his tracks. There can never be Victory over sin in all of its forms unless we have a firm and immovable understanding of the One True God revealed in Sacred Scripture; who came not only to saves us from the Wrath of God, but to DESTROY the works of the Devil (cf. Matt. 24:24b; 2 Cor. 2:10-11; 4:3-4; 11:14-15; 1 Jn. 3:8).

    "Notwithstanding in this [rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you]; but rather [REJOICE, BECAUSE YOUR NAMES ARE WRITTEN IN HEAVEN] (Grk. engegraptai -- perfect tense; i.e., "the redeemed have an allotted dwelling place in the Eternal City of God, and this Inheritance is Irrevocable"; cf. Jn. 5:24; 14:1-3; Rom. 11:29; 1 Pet. 1:3-9). In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast [hid] these things from the [wise and prudent], and hast [revealed] them unto [babes] (Grk. nepiois; i.e., "new converts, childlike believers"): even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight." (Luke 10:20-21)

    Here are several reasons why The God of Holy Scripture is often misunderstood:

    - The natural man (i.e., "the unregenerate man") sees God as "one person" as a result of the fall in the Garden of Eden (i.e., "man was [separated] from his maker when sin entered into the human race through Adam") -- the [union] between God and man was severed. God set His plan in motion (i.e., "from Eternity past") when He declared that His Son would destroy the works of the serpent, and reconcile the world unto Himself through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ (Gen. 3:15; 2 Cor. 5:19; 1 Jn. 2:1-2).

    - The idea that God is one "person" is an invention of man. Being born of the Spirit [unites] us to God through Jesus Christ, and the concept of ONE is understood not as Unipersonal by the one who discerns the things of the spirit (cf. Jn. 17:21-23; 1 Cor. 2:14; 6:17; Gal. 2:20; 12:12-13).

    - God, in His Divine Essence [is] SPIRIT, and fallen man has a proclivity to create an image of God in his/her own mind to suit their personal preferences; this is why the corrupt heart and mind of an unregenerate person depicts a Triune God as a three headed monster. There needs to be a transformation of the heart and mind (i.e. "born of the Spirit") -- otherwise, no amount of persuasion will release them from the clutches of the evil one (cf. Jn. 3:3-6; 6:63; Rom. 12:2; 1 Cor. 2:14; 1 Jn. 5:20).

    - It is illogical how God can be ONE BEING, and yet THREE distinct persons. Any thing that came into being can never be ONE in the same way the Triune God IS (i.e., "The Three persons of the Godhead are Immutable and Eternal in the past") -- therefore, the Triune God CANNOT be subject to change in any way. Everyone should know that time results in change and mutability, unless the subject is outside of time, and not bound by its laws. If God were to be Unipersonal, then He would be the most selfish and self-centered being ever in existence (e.g., "the god of Islam"). God has no beginning nor end, and He is Eternal in the past; therefore, His Divine Love MUST also had to have to existed from Eternity in the past.

    "I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that [NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH]. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father [AND] the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." (1 John 2:21-24)

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    The "god" of Islam (i.e., "Allah"):

    It is glaringly obvious that the main intent of the author of the Quran is to deceive many into DENYING the Cardinal Doctrines of the Christian Faith [Essential] for Salvation; here are few of them that attempt to go for the jugular, but Truth will always prevail:

    - The Deity of Christ (Isa. 6:1-9; 9:6; Mic. 5:2; Zech. 12:10; 14:9; Jn. 1:1; 8:58; 12:41; 20:28; Col. 2:9; 1 Tim. 3:16; Tit. 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1; Rev. 22:2-4).
    - The Miraculous Resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. We find that it was [the Devil] himself who tried to prevent Christ from being Crucified and raised to Life on the third day (Matt. 16:21-23; 28:5-6; 1 Cor. 15:3-4; 2 Cor. 5:14-15; 1 Thess. 4:14; 1 Pet. 1:3).
    - Salvation by Grace through Faith ALONE (i.e., "Sola Fide" – Rom. 4:3-5; 10:9-10; Gal. 2:16; Eph. 1:13; 2:8; Phil. 3:8-9; et al.)
    - The Substitutionary Death of Jesus Christ (Isa. 53:4-6; Mk. 10:45; Jn. 10:11; Rom. 5:6; 2 Cor. 5:21; Gal. 2:20; 1 Pet. 2:23-25).

    I do NOT believe that Satan is the author of the Quran for several reasons (e.g., "the author of the Quran says that the Trinity is: Father, Son, and Mary") and the Devil most certainly knows that the Quranic description of the Triune God is Incorrect. Furthermore, Mary is not a "god" -- even if we were to ascribe "divinity" to her as the RCC does she would be a "goddess" if anything, and goddess worship is nothing more than a pagan offshoot of other pagan goddesses invented by demonic beings, and this false doctrine has been instrumental in leading millions upon millions to Hell and the Eternal Lake of Fire (cf. Ps. 82:1-2, 5-6; 106:34-38; 1 Cor. 8:5-6; 10:20-22).

    Our beloved brother Paul was persecuting Christ Himself when he put early Christians to death; this is because Jesus' True Disciples belong to Him, and they are [in] Him as a corporate body of Believers (cf. Matt. 18:5-6; 25:34-40; Lk. 22:19-20; Jn. 6:53-56; 17:20-23; Acts 9:4; 1 Cor. 12:12-14). Ha-Satan also has his loyal emissaries and minions (e.g., "fallen angels, demons, sellouts for Satan, children of disobedience, etc.") -- and they do his bidding on behalf of him; so it is highly probable that an evil spirit (i.e., "a messenger of Satan") -- who did not possess a clearer and fuller "understanding" of Holy Scripture was the source behind the teachings of the Quran. Sadly, the extent of the Devil's theology far exceeds that of most Christians" -- but there's a major difference between KNOWING the Scriptures, and OBEYING the Scriptures (e.g., "Get thee hence, Satan: for IT IS WRITTEN, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE" -- cf. Matt. 4:6-10).

    [The Unique Oneness and BEING of The Triune Godhead, which belongs to Him ALONE]:

    If the God of Holy Scripture is to be the Only True God; which He is, then all of His Attributes must be Perfect in Nature (e.g., "Holiness, Holiness, Holiness, Eternality, Righteousness, Divine Love, etc.") -- and they MUST also be Immutable and Eternal (i.e., "Eternality and Immutability go together"). God is Love, and His Eternal Love is a Virtue which is shared by more than [One Divine Person] (cf. Jn. 13:34-35; 15:13). His Love was Eternal in the past, and Communicable: His Love for His Dear Son, Jesus Christ, who has no beginning, nor an end, existed from Eternity past (cf. Jn. 17:24; Col. 1:15).

    "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, [ALL POWER IS GIVEN] unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them [IN THE NAME] (Grk. eis to onoma -- "Into the One Spirit of God, and the name that is shared among the Three persons of the Triune God"; cf. 1 Cor. 6:15-17; 12:13; Gal. 2:20) of [the Father], and of [the Son], and of [the Holy Ghost]: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:18-20)

    Jesus Christ is the Incarnate Son of God, and voluntarily took the form of a slave, and He was declared to be the Son of God (i.e., "His Resurrection, Holiness, and Divine Attributes, proved that He was indeed the Son of God") – was given all power (Rom. 1:3-4; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 10:4-14)

    Jesus Christ came into this world not only to save us from our sins, and the Divine penalty that our sins warrant (i.e., "Eternal Punishment") -- but He also came to REVEAL the One True God as understood ONLY by the Spirit's Illumination; who opens our hearts and minds to receive this Divine Truth (cf. Matt. 11:27; 16:17; Jn. 16:13; 1 Cor. 12:3). We see a direct parallel from the Old Testament's Revelation (i.e., "somewhat veiled, but implicit") of the Triune God, in addition to the New Testament's Revelation of God given by Jesus Christ Himself (i.e., "THE NAME" is Singular) -- that [the Name] (cf. Zech. 14:9; Matt. 28:19) of the Triune God is shared by The Three Persons of the Godhead, and this is an Irrefutable FACT.

    "And [the LORD shall be king over all the earth] (i.e., "The literal 1,000 year reign of JESUS CHRIST on a renewed Earth"): in that day shall there be [ONE LORD], and [HIS NAME ONE] (Heb. shem -- LXX Septuagint; "onoma"; cf. Matt. 28:19)." (Zechariah 14:9)

    "For [A THOUSAND YEARS IN THY SIGHT] are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4)

    "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that [ONE DAY] is with the Lord [AS] a [THOUSAND YEARS], and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is [LONGSUFFERING] to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should [COME TO REPENTANCE]." (2 Peter 3:8-9)

    The 1,000 Year reign of Christ is NOT symbolism – it is a LITERAL One Thousand Years. Satan and his emissaries will be cast into Tartarus for 1,000 years, and his deceptive schemes will have no external influence on humans living during the Millennial Reign of God and His Christ, but humans will still have the ability to rebel against God, and therefore can/will sin (Rev. 20:1-3; Isa. 65:17-20; Jas. 1:13-15). Even after the Theocratic, 1,000 year reign on a renewed Earth . . . the rebellious nature of prideful man will turn against the Perfect Righteousness of God and His Anointed, and 1,000 years of patience from the Lord that they may come to repentance will still lead to MANY who will permanently have their hearts hardened (2 Pet. 3:9b). And the God-haters, enemies of the Gospel, and all rebellious creatures will then be cast into an Eternal Lake of Fire to suffer unceasing Torment (Matt. 25:41; Mk. 9:42-48; Rev. 20:10-15).

    "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him [A THOUSAND YEARS]. And when [THE THOUSAND YEARS] are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth (i.e., "the four point of a compass"), Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on [the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about] (i.e., "the Devil's army will encircle the plains of the land of Israel"), and [the beloved city] (i.e., "the Impenetrable and Indestructible City of Peace, which is Fortified and Built by God Himself"): [AND FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, AND DEVOURED THEM]. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [ARE] (i.e., "these creatures will still be suffering endless torment, even after 1,000 years -- and there will be NO REPRIEVE"), and shall be [TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER]. (Revelation 20:6-10)

    "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against [HIS ANOINTED] (i.e., "The Christ of God"), saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set [MY KING] (i.e., "God's Anointed; The Lord Jesus Christ" – cf. Rev. 11:15) upon my holy hill of Zion." (Psalm 2:1-6)

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    If All [THREE] Persons of the Godhead share the [ONE NAME] of God, then it would stand to reason that All Three Persons (i.e., "The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost") of the Godhead possess Deity (cf. Deut. 6:4), and to deny this Irrefutable Truth is to deceive oneself, and to give oneself over to the lies of the Accuser and Adversary of God and His people. There is ONE NAME ascribed to Three Eternal, and Co-Equal Persons (cf. Matt. 28:19) -- and this ONE NAME will be understood with absolute clarity by Monotheists when Christ reigns on Earth for 1,000 years as ONE LORD (cf. Zech 14:9).

    "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of [OUR LORD], and of [HIS CHRIST] (i.e., "God's Anointed King"); and [HE] (Grk. basileusei -- Third-Person Singular) [SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER]." (Revelation 11:15)

    "But [THE NATURAL MAN] (i.e., "the unconverted, the unsaved, the lost") receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness (Grk. moria "absurd, or moronic") unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)

    "Whereof [THE HOLY GHOST ALSO IS A WITNESS] to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." (Hebrews 10:15-17)

    "But God hath revealed them unto us by [HIS SPIRIT]: for [THE SPIRIT] searcheth all things, yea, [THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD]. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so [the things of God KNOWETH NO MAN, but THE SPIRIT OF GOD]." (1 Corinthians 2:10-11)

    The Third Person of the Triune God (i.e., "the Ruach/Pneuma of God") is found in EVERY WORD of Holy Scripture, and no one can bear witness to us about the One True God BUT the Holy Spirit of God. Now who knows the mind and heart of a man better than the spirit of THAT man? And NO ONE knows the things of God BUT [THE SPIRIT OF GOD]; who has revealed Himself in His Divine Word (i.e., "the Holy Scripture").

    "[ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God] (Grk. pasa graphe theopneustos), and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

    Arguments against the God of Holy Scripture from the natural man (i.e., "the unregenerate"):

    - Christians worship 3 Gods (1+1+1 does not equal ONE)
    - So Jesus is God? You're telling me that they killed God?
    - So God is speaking to Himself whenever Jesus is speaking with His Father?
    - If God created all things, then who created God?
    - The Bible says that Jesus is begotten of God, so you're telling me that God can reproduce?
    - If Jesus is God, then why did He not make it clear to His persecutors that He was God, and that they needed to worship Him?

    Definition of ADD: join (something) to something else so as to [Increase] the size, number, or amount. God is Eternal in the Past, and therefore NOTHING is [ADDED] in order to [INCREASE] the Immutable, Self-Sustaining, and Self-Existent God of All Creation.

    Definition of ADDING: the process or skill of calculating the total of [two or more] numbers or [amounts]. God is ONE in Being (i.e., "qualitative, and NOT quantitative") – Being and Person do not have the same meaning. BEING (e.g., "humans, angels, God") is [what] someone is, as opposed to [who] (e.g., "Jesus, Paul, Timothy") a PERSON is.

    "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is [the image of the invisible God] (Grk. eikon tou theou tou aoratou -- i.e., "The EXACT representation of the very BEING of God the Father"), [the firstborn of every creature] (Grk. prototokos -- i.e., "The Preeminent One; who is BEFORE All Creation"): For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:13-17)

    Anti-trinitarian's would argue: "Well, Jesus Christ is the EXACT REPRESENTATION of God, but that doesn't make Him Deity."

    "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but [ONE GOD], the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and [ONE LORD] Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

    BOTH Lord and God are EQUAL descriptions of Deity, and to suggest that Jesus is referred to as LORD, but NOT God at times; and for this reason,; this does not make Him DEITY, is semantical nonsense. Furthermore, as mentioned above; the prophecy of Zechariah 14:9 states that there will be ONE LORD who will reign during the Millennial Kingdom, and if we are honest with ourselves, this ONE LORD can be none other than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, as He comes in His Glory, and the Glory of His Father (Mk. 14:62; Lk. 9:26; Rev. 19:15) –- and the Shema clearly says that the Lord your GOD is ONE LORD. Both Lord and God are described as ONE (i.e., "Qualitatively One: In BEING"). The Lord (i.e., "Yahweh" – Zech. 14:9) will be KING on the Earth as clearly stated, and prophecy says that The Lord Jesus Christ will be THAT King, and He will come in [the Glory of His Father] to rule all the nations of the world with an Iron Rod (cf. Matt. 25:31; Rev. 19:15; 20:4).

    "All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man [knoweth the Son], but the Father; neither [knoweth any man the Father], save the Son, and he to whomsoever [THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM]." (Matthew 11:27)

    "He (Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, [THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD]. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou , Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not [REVEALED] it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 16:15-17)

    Christ is declared [the Son] of [the Living God] (i.e., "The Invisible One who [IS] Life; without beginning or end") -- and to refer to Jesus Christ as [The Son] of the Living God is to possessing the SAME Divine Attributes as the Father, and thus the Son must also be without beginning or an end.

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    "[I AM] he that [LIVETH], and [WAS DEAD]; and, behold, I am [ALIVE FOR EVERMORE] (cf. Jn. 6:63 -- "It is the Spirit that quickeneth"), Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." (Revelation 1:18)

    [I AM]

    - HE THAT LIVETH (i.e., "God The Father") – "The Eternal Spirit of [THE LIVING GOD] (cf. Deut. 5:26; Matt. 16:16; Jn. 6:69; Rom. 9:26) did not take on human flesh; it was the Son of the Father who became Incarnate in human flesh (Grk. ho logos sarx egeneto), and [DIED] for the sins of those who would call upon Him").

    - AND [WAS] DEAD ("The Son of God" -- i.e., "The Incarnation of Christ, and His Atoning [Death] for our sins").

    - ALIVE FOR EVERMORE ("The Holy Spirit of The Triune Godhead" i.e., "The Resurrection of Jesus Christ unto Full Glorification with His Father after His Ascension, and [the Holy Spirit] which [raised Him from the dead]" – see Jn 6:63 -- "It is the spirit that [quickeneth], or makes ALIVE" cf. Jn. 14:16-19; 20:17; Rom. 8:11).

    "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days [I WILL RAISE IT UP] (i.e., "The Eternal Spirit of the Triune God"). Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body." (John 2:19-21)

    "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that [THE SPIRIT OF GOD] dwell in you. Now if any man have not [THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST], he is none of his." (Romans 8:9)

    "Hear, O Israel: [THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD] (lit., "The Lord is ONE"): And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." (Deuteronomy 6:4-5)

    This Shema does NOT say that the LORD is ONE "person" – it reads, the LORD is [ONE] (i.e., "One in BEING").

    Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, [I AM]." (John 8:58)

    Jesus did NOT say that before Abraham existed, I am "Jesus" – or, I am "Yeshua HaMashiach" – it reads, before Abraham was, (i.e., "came into being") [I AM] (i.e., "God [is] BEING").

    "Thou believest that [THERE IS ONE GOD] (lit., "God is ONE"); thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." (James 2:19)

    The demons do NOT believe that God is one "person" – they believe that, God is [ONE].

    There is a more FRIGHTENING aspect of the Triune God, rather than a unipersonal "god" who does NOT exist (i.e., "the god of Islam") -- and the demons and fallen angels know full well why this is the case; because they themselves know full well that God CANNOT be Unipersonal and be PERFECT at the same time – something that unregenerate man cannot fully grasp. The FACT that God is Triune makes Him Unique among any other "gods" – who are all demons. There EXISTS One True and Living God, who ETERNALLY exist as Three Persons in Perfect Unity and bond.

    The flesh must be crucified daily, and be put to death though the Spirit of God working within us. Even demons have a better understanding of the Nature of God and His Divine Attributes than most "professing" Christian Pastors behind pulpits; their theology is more sound than the heretics of the past, and even of the present. These evil spirits had no choice BUT to acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ for who He Truly was and is (cf. Matt. 8:29; Mk. 1:24, 34; Lk. 4:33-34; Acts 16:15-17; Jas. 2:19).

    "But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. And [THE LORD SHALL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH]: in that day shall there be one Lord, and [HIS NAME ONE]." (Zechariah 14:7-9)

    "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they [TWAIN SHALL BE ONE] flesh: so then they are no more twain, but [ONE FLESH]. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (Mark 10:6-9)

    Husband and Wife do not literally become ONE FLESH, but they are united as ONE in mind and body. The physical aspects of mortal man can be felt with the human senses (e.g., "touch"), but one's spouse cannot literally be joined together by morphing their bodies to become ONE in the most absolute sense of the word (e.g., "a conjoined twin" – "but even the two exists two spirits, and not one") -- however, the immaterial aspect of man (i.e., "his/her spirit") can essentially become ONE when JOINED, because there are no "barriers" so to speak (i.e., "it is non-corporeal"). However, since God is the ONLY Being in existence that never came [into] being (i.e., "God [IS] Being") – He is Qualitatively ONE, and the Logos (i.e., "the Divine Word") was "with God" (Grk. pros ton theon) –- and Greek scholars would interpret it as the Logos was "face to face" with God, but some would argue that it would then be (Grk. prosopon pros prosopon; lit., "face to face"; cf. 1 Cor. 13:12) and not (Grk. pros ton theon). However, the context would most certainly imply a "face to face" relationship with God, because this was Eternal in the past (i.e., "In the BEGINNING"; cf. Rev. 1:8; 22:13) – and God can be seen in the FACE of Christ (cf. Jn. 1:1; 14:9; 2 Cor. 4:6; Rev. 22:3-4).

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    Christ, in His True Essence, is Spirit, as with the Father and the Holy Spirit: hence, they are ONE SPIRIT. But know this, they are ONE in the most unique sense of the word; because all Three persons of the Godhead are without beginning (i.e., Eternal in the past, and remain as such forevermore; God is BEING, not "a" being). God is also to be worshiped in Spirit; for God [IS] Spirit, not [a] spirit (e.g., we worship God NOT as Three Spirits, but ONE SPIRIT, who is BEING). Manmade religions, or the demons behind these false religions appeal to the carnal and unregenerate mind, such as devilish philosophies and new age ideologies that are contrary to the God of Holy Scripture and His revelation to man. Any creature with a mind or conscience that comes [into being] (e.g., "a finite mind") would imply that such a creature is not FIXED in its nature or character as God is; this would also imply that finite creatures [progress] in knowledge, and are subject to change (i.e., "mutability").

    ALL Three persons of the Godhead possess Divine Attributes which are Immutable, because they are without beginning or end; therefore it would stand to reason that they MUST be the SAME in Essence, and ONE in the most absolute sense of that word. The dilemma lies in the finite mind of fallen man, who does not understand the True meaning of the word ONE; there are millions of things In this world that are considered ONE, and yet they are not ONE in the most literal sense. It is the result of man's fall which led to his separation from God, and it is the unregenerate mind of man who believes that God must be ONE PERSON (i.e., "theists", or "Muslims"). This may come as a surprise to many, but God being ONE PERSON is a manmade concept, and not the other way around as have been taught for ages.

    "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless [I live]; yet [not I], but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Galatians 2:20)

    "For as the body is [one], and hath [many members], and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into [ONE SPIRIT]." (1 Corinthians 12:12-13)

    "But he that is [joined] unto the Lord is [ONE SPIRIT]." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

    "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, [WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM]; for we shall see him as he is." (1 John 3:2)

    "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That [THEY ALL MAY BE ONE]; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, [EVEN AS WE ARE ONE]: I [in] them, and thou [in] me, that they may be made [PERFECT IN ONE]; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." (John 17:20-23)

    "I and my Father [ARE ONE]. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him." (John 10:30-31)

    The context in which Jesus spoke of His Union with His Father here is ONE in Nature and Essence, and the religious hypocrites clearly knew that He claimed equality with His [own] Father. The redeemed will be in perfect union with God and the Lamb, but are not ONE in the same sense as Jesus Christ is with His Father. Any creature that comes into being, or at a specific point in time when created, cannot be ONE in the same sense as the Triune God; because there was a point in time which they did NOT exist – unlike the Triune Godhead that possesses Eternal EXISTENCE and BEING.

    In the Eternal State, ALL the redeemed of all ages will be made PERFECT in ONE; all will have been conformed to the Image of the Second Adam in absolute perfection. We will have the mind of Christ, and never will there ever be the presence of sin. We will give due Honor, Worship, Praise and Glory to the Eternal God, who is Triune in Being.

    "Then [the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah] brimstone and fire [from the Lord out of heaven]; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground." (Genesis 19:24-25)

    The passage cited below is similar to the text cited above; that is, we have the Lord on Earth (i.e., "The Lord Jesus Christ") raining fire down from The Lord out of Heaven (i.e., "God the Father in Heaven") – and the only difference is the Undiluted Wrath of Almighty God: which will be poured out upon billions of people (i.e., "human or non-human") who hopelessly are fooled by Prince Gog (i.e. "most likely possessed by the Devil") and his oratorical mastery (i.e., "persuasive speech leading to a rebellion and final revolt against the Lord God Almighty, and His Christ"), that there may be a chance that the prophecy concerning their Utter Annihilation foretold in Holy Scripture may not come to pass. The dragon, the beast, and the false prophet is a sad counterfeit of the Holy Trinity; and we understand through the Illumination of the Holy Spirit that the Three persons of the Triune Godhead are inseparable; whereas the beast and the false prophet are [separated] from the Devil at the Second Advent (i.e., "The Parousia") – and they will be the first two creatures to be thrown alive into the Eternal Lake of Fire (Rev. 19:20).

    "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And [the beast] was taken, and with him [the false prophet] that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. [THESE BOTH WERE CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE OF FIRE BURNING WITH BRIMSTONE]. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh." (Revelation 19:19-21)

    Even time travel cannot hinder or affect what the Lord God Almighty (i.e., "The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last") has decreed; because these prophecies are the FINALITY of the [decisions] of human and non-human entities – and any attempt at making it a fair fight (i.e., "The Devil and his non-human hosts are OUTNUMBERED, and gathering [human beings] to even the odds for the two thirds = 0.66666666666 he DOESN'T have in order to make his army complete, isn't going to help – it will actually makes matters WORSE . . . ") will only PROVE that God Almighty is Absolutely Sovereign.

    "Now I tell you [BEFORE IT COME], that, [WHEN IT IS COME] to pass, ye may [believe] that [I AM HE] (Grk. hoti ego eimi; lit., "I AM")." (John 13:19)

    "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe]not [that I am he] (Grk. hoti ego eimi predicateless; i.e., the pronoun "he" was added; it should read, lit., "I AM"), ye shall die in your sins." (John 8:24)

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    So, if I'm reading this correctly, you're claiming that there can be no meaningful dialogue if anyone is under the impression that all of creation came into being from nothing?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most Christians believe God created the world ex nihilo, from nothing? Are you saying we can't have a meaningful dialogue because there's really nothing to talk about because we already agree on that theory of the origins of the universe?

    Or are you suggesting that God created the world from material that already existed?
     
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    When I see this doctrine articulated as "one in being with the father", it makes sense to me, but when I see "three persons in one God", I don't quite see how that is supposed to work in the real world. The reason I say this is because of the usage of words which I assume the biblical writers were quite adept at using correctly. A person (from persona: "a mask, what is presented to the world") is usually defined as "a man, woman, or child". I can only see Christ fitting that description. This is the only place where I can find common ground between these two articulations.

    When Christ points out that there is only one way, that makes sense. There is no other way to approach God other than in, with, and through Christ. For all practical intents and purposes, Christ is God, and yet Paul distinguishes between the father, who he refers to as God, and the son who is referred to as Christ. He points out that the origin of all that exists is God, while the means by which everything comes into existence is Christ. 1 Corinthians 8:6

    I can see how our language is incapable of articulating the reality of the trinity. This is the biggest problem, but it also seems to point out that our language is incapable of articulating anything with regards to reality, even the most obvious things we're aware of. The reason being that anything we say is articulating abstract thought, not reality at all.

    John's introduction seems to be spotlighting this problem when he begins with "the word". He doesn't begin by saying "in the beginning was God" because we can begin nowhere else but with the word which is the medium by which God is manifested in the world. What most fail to comprehend is that while the medium manifests God, God is not the medium he is manifested in, with, and through.

    If we would like to assume they are one and the same, then what point is there for Paul to distinguish between them in the first place? I suspect that it is to refute the necessity of an infinite regression.
     
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    It would seem so if we agree on the definition of multiple personality disorder, which basically begins with the second one. The trinity posits three personalities, no?

    Here again, this is why I think the articulation, "one in being with the father" allows for a much more coherent explanation of reality than three persons.

    Most would agree that the father transcends all understanding, or experience. Therefore, the father cannot be presented apart from Christ who is the person or incarnation of God.
     
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    Hi @"Light".

    Were you want to have a peer-to-peer discussion about any of this?
     
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    The *real world* is Heaven and what is in Heaven. And here is what is in Heaven: For there are three that bear record in heaven, [1] the Father, [2] the Word, and [3] the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7 KJV)

    Clearly there are three Persons in one God, and this cannot be understood by the human mind: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of [1] the Father, and of [2] the Son, and of [3] the Holy Ghost: (Mt 28:19)
     
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    As one who has been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, but who did not (physically) continue with the Oneness Pentecostals to be indoctrinated by them, I nevertheless hold to a view of the Godhead that emphasizes His Oneness (although I do not deny the plurality within the Godhead).

    I believe that, according to Isaiah 9:6-7, the son that was given shall be given the name of the everlasting Father; and that it is the zeal of the LORD of hosts that shall do this at a specific moment in history; which I believe is yet future.

    The Father did not vacate eternity when He descended to become the Son,

    Eph 3:11, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    And thus, while the Father in flesh (Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son of God) was on earth, He also remained behind in eternity and answered all of Jesus' prayers from that standpoint.

    Isa 57:15, For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

    This would tell us that the Father dwells outside of time. He lived one eternal "moment" and then descended to become the Son.

    Since One who dwells in eternity cannot vacate eternity (because He is not subject to time and therefore His existence in eternity cannot be spatially removed); therefore, when He descended to become the Son, the imprint of His nature remained behind in eternity; and this imprint is actually the Person of the pre-incarnate Jesus (the Father); while He also descended to take on human flesh; and that this Person in flesh, being the same Spirit and therefore the same Person, nevertheless assumed upon Himself human flesh which by necessity makes Him a different Person. Thus I speak forth the words of truth and soberness, that the Father is not the Son; but that the Son is the Father.

    The one Spirit (see Ephesians 4:4) that dwells in the Son is the same Spirit (see 1 Corinthians 12:4-6) that inhabiteth eternity; even the Father.

    Now comes the test...of whether you are willing to look at the scriptures that back up my pov.

    Consider that John 4:23-24 tells us that the Father is a Spirit; that Ephesians 4:4 tells us that there is one Spirit; and that John 14:7-11 tells us that the Spirit that dwelt/dwelleth in Jesus Christ is the Father.

    Therefore, it is clear to me from the holy scriptures, that Jesus Christ, in His Spirit, is the Father; but that He also left behind in eternity the distinct imprint of Himself (who is the Father, even a Person who is not only an imprint but the Person of the Father).

    This is the One that Jesus prayed to. I have used terminology that is inadequate to explain my position; in all reality God the Father is not an imprint of God's nature but is God Himself. He both went forward to become the Son; and also stayed behind as the One who inhabiteth eternity. In this, the Father exists in eternity while the Son simultaneously exists on earth.

    Now when Jesus rose from the dead, He rose to fill all things (Ephesians 4:10); while He continued to exist in a finite human body, which I believe is not subject to time. He ascended to exist outside of time, side-by-side with his pre-incarnate self. Thus, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1).

    The Holy Ghost, who is also that one Spirit who dwelt/dwelleth in Christ, was also released by Christ back to the Father (Luke 23:46) into eternity. He is the same Spirit as the Father, and also has the experience behind Him of living the life of Jesus; and therefore He is the perfect One to come and dwell within us and to make intercession for the saints according to the will of God. He understands humanity; for He has been human.

    Now there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4). That Spirit is the Father (John 4:23-24). But that Spirit is also the Holy Ghost (John 7:37-39).

    The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father (John 15:26); but He is also the same Spirit as the Father (1 Corinthians 12:4-6; also consider that there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4) and that this Spirit is both the Father (John 4:23-24) and the Holy Ghost (John 7:37-39).

    All of this is in no way saying that God puts on hats or masks and puts on a different hat or mask for any occasion.

    It is saying, however, that there is one God; even as the scripture teaches we would do well to believe (James 2:19).

    The opposing viewpoint has the problem of being Tritheistic to a certain degree; in other words, you cannot get around the fact that they are preaching three Gods rather than the same God being all three members of the Trinity.

    Why should it be surprising to you that I would make the statement that God is a Person?

    The doctrine of the Trinity preaches that He is three-in-one; and the concepts that I place before you do not contradict this understanding.

    Therefore, if you have a problem with what I am saying, go to the Lord about it. Seek Him. Ask Him if what I am saying is the case or not. And by all means, be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11).

    More accurately, the Son was the Father before He became the Son.
     
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    That is inaccurate, incorrect and misleading. The Father was always the Father and the Son was always the Son.
     
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    That is two Persons called God...and therefore two Gods.
     
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