The Mystery Revealed

[Taken]

I haven't seen you able to disprove what I've shown from Scripture,

Davy...YOU Believe "ONLY" in a POST Tribulation Resurrection.

I Believe IN "BOTH", a Pre-Tribulation "and" Post-Tribulation Resurrection...

So, WHY would you foolishly expect ANYONE to PROVE there is NO POST-TRIBULATION Resurrection, When no one is said there Isn't a Post-Tribulation Resurrection?

LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

....you probably adhere to the false pre-trib rapture theory,

You have been SHOWN Scriptures that REVEAL a PRE-TRIBULATION Resurrection...
And PRECISELY "WHO" a Pre-Tribulation APPLIES TO...
Yet YOU call the Scriptures "a FALSE THEORY".

you don't like me revealing the Scriptures in God's Word

That IS FALSE.

What gets ridiculously OLD and BORING....
is your inability to STAY ON TOPIC.

When the TOPIC is Pre-Tribulation resurrection....all you can talk about is Post-Tribulation resurrection....
You simply reveal YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS WHO is Resurrected, WHEN and WHY.

that disproves that theory.

You DISPROVE nothing.

Otherwise, why would you seek to attack my posts here about that subject? .

"THAT" subject?
When the SUBJECT IS "POST-Tribulation", then talk about "Post-Tribulation".
When the SUBJECT IS "Pre-Tribulation", TRY to stay ON THE SUBJECT!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

Davy...YOU Believe "ONLY" in a POST Tribulation Resurrection.

I Believe IN "BOTH", a Pre-Tribulation "and" Post-Tribulation Resurrection...

So, WHY would you foolishly expect ANYONE to PROVE there is NO POST-TRIBULATION Resurrection, When no one is said there Isn't a Post-Tribulation Resurrection?

LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

Then you truly are confused, because there is only written in God's Word that Jesus returns only ONE TIME, and that is after the tribulation.

Even in the Old Testament prophets, it was prophesied that He only has 2 advents, the first one to die on the cross, and the second one to reign.

 

[Taken]

Then you truly are confused, because there is only written in God's Word that Jesus returns only ONE TIME, and that is after the tribulation.

LOL...another one of your irrelevant posts.

Why don't you quote ANYONE claiming Jesus returns more than once, BEFORE pretending to argue against what does not exist?

Weird!

 

[Taken]

The MYSTERY REVEALED<---OP

Through Belief in God and Christ Jesus, men can;
BECOME FOREVER FORGIVEN
BECOME FOREVER WITHOUT SIN
BECOME SPIRITUALLY CRUCIFIED
BECOME FOREVER SAVED
BECOME FOREVER QUICKENED
BECOME FOREVER WITH thee Lord God
BEFORE Physical Death.

The Condunrum;

Men SAY they are Forgiven...
...But continue to Ask God for Forgiveness.

Men SAY they are Cleansed of all Unrighteousness...
...But claim they continue to Sin.

Men SAY they are Crucified with Christ...
...But Claim they can LEAVE Him.

Men SAY they are Saved...
...But Claim they can LOSE their Salvation...

Men SAY their Spirit is Quickened...
...But do not even know what "their" spirit is.

Men SAY they are IN Christ...
...But they can "change their mind" and leave Him.

There are glaring REASONS the Lord God calls a mans understanding FOOLISHNESS...

(I just listed six.)

A real MYSTERY; Men do not comprehend;
The meaning of FOREVER.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

LOL...another one of your irrelevant posts.

Why don't you quote ANYONE claiming Jesus returns more than once, BEFORE pretending to argue against what does not exist?

Weird!

Now you call our Lord Jesus weird, because He is Who said it...

Matt 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
KJV


Who are you really??

Why have you come here slandering Christ Jesus and His Word of Truth??

Do you actually hate God and His Son??

 

[Taken]

Now you call our Lord Jesus weird, because He is Who said it...

LOL ~ Do you not even recognize it was YOUR CLAIMS of Jesus returning TWICE, is what I called WEIRD.

Who are you really??

Why have you come here slandering Christ Jesus and His Word of Truth??

Do you actually hate God and His Son??

Outlandishly PITIFUL!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

LOL ~ Do you not even recognize it was YOUR CLAIMS of Jesus returning TWICE, is what I called WEIRD.

Outlandishly PITIFUL!

Glory to God,
Taken

More Lies, that's all you know. You've been pushing the Pre-trib Rapture theory of man, a doctrine that was first preached in certain Christian Churches in 1830's Great Britain by Edward Irving, the Brethren movement, and John Nelson Darby. You have pushed the abuse of the Luke 17 Scripture about the first ones that are taken, which Pre-trib wrongly teaches those are taken by Jesus when the actual Luke 17 Scripture points to those first ones being taken by Christ's enemies (Luke 17:36-37).

Their Pre-trib Rapture doctrine wrongly teaches TWO RETURNS BY JESUS FOR THE END, one for prior to the tribulation to gather the Church, and the other as His 2nd coming WITH His Church. That... is what John Darby taught which is who got the Pre-trib Rapture theory from the Edward Irving church in 1830's Great Britain!

But YOU don't even know how Darby originally taught the Pre-trib Rapture theory!!!

It's because the Pre-trib Rapture spin-doctors keep changing their story, modifying the doctrine, and that because it's a false doctrine to begin with.

There are only TWO ADVENTS written of about Christ Jesus. And since you no doubt don't even know what the word 'advent' means, here it is... It means 'coming'. Jesus has TWO times of His coming, the 1st one was over 2,000 years ago to die on the cross, and His 2nd coming will be at the very end of this world, AFTER the great tribulation He warned of. So since you also have an obvious problem with math, like basic counting, the number 1 comes first, and then the number 2 after that.

 

[Enoch111]

More Lies, that's all you know. You've been pushing the Pre-trib Rapture theory of man, a doctrine that was first preached in certain Christian Churches in 1830's Great Britain by Edward Irving, the Brethren movement, and John Nelson Darby.

And those are lies also. It was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself who taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the saints. That is not a "theory" but a solid Bible doctrine.

 

[Davy]

And those are lies also. It was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself who taught the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the saints. That is not a "theory" but a solid Bible doctrine.

Go back to your doctors of Judaism and get them to make up a better story. That one is old hat.

 

[Taken]

More Lies, that's all you know.

You FAIL in Knowledge, Understanding and Facts...and Resort to calling others LIARS, Preccisely Because of your own FAILURES in Knowledge, Understanding and Facts!

You've been pushing the Pre-trib Rapture theory of man,

You call Jesus Catching UP TO Him; a THEORY... I don't...Thus our Difference;

I Trust to Believe What the Lord Himself TAUGHT...you on the other hand Reject it.

a doctrine that was first preached in certain Christian Churches in 1830's Great Britain by Edward Irving,

Again YOU Fail.
The Lord's OWN Teaching of "Converted men IN CHRIST" being CAUGHT UP TO the Lord, was REVEALED in Written Scripture TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

I could care less when some guy, I do not know, began to understand the Scripture in the 1830's !

You should be concerned that in the 21 Century YOU Still are without Understanding!

You have pushed the abuse of the Luke 17 Scripture about the first ones that are taken, which Pre-trib wrongly teaches those are taken by Jesus when the actual Luke 17 Scripture points to those first ones being taken by Christ's enemies (Luke 17:36-37).

Explaining FIRST and TAKEN to YOU is a WOT.
Everything HAS a PRECISE ORDER.

By YOUR elementary knowledge and understanding and stiffneckedness...
You can NOT properly APPLY;
First and Taken TO whom and what;
it Does properly APPLY.

Their Pre-trib Rapture doctrine wrongly teaches TWO RETURNS BY JESUS FOR THE END,

LOL ~ That IS A LIE.
And Plainly it can BE OBSERVED, "YOU" make up LIES, "PREACH YOUR LIE", that IS what another Believes...and then say it is Wrong.

You perpetuate FRAUD and DECEPTION in the worst possible way.

IF YOU THINK, anyone is Preaching Jesus "RETURNS TWICE"....

WHY HAVE YOU "NOT ONCE" quoted ANYONE themselves MAKING THAT CLAIM?

Why is it ALWAYS "YOUR" Words making "THAT CLAIM" "FOR OTHER PEOPLE"....
making YOURSELF...THE liar and False Testifier?

...Darby...

YOU have to adnausim mentioned some guy named DARBY....BUT have NOT ONCE quoted some guy named DARBY claiming Jesus returns TWICE....<--- LOL

it's a false doctrine to begin with.

AGREE, YOU PREACHING "Jesus returning TWICE" IS a FALSE DOCTRINE...

And YOU CLAIMING that IS OTHERS BELIEF...
IS ALSO your own Lies.

There are only TWO ADVENTS written of about Christ Jesus. And since you no doubt don't even know what the word 'advent' means, here it is... It means 'coming'. Jesus has TWO times of His coming, the 1st one was over 2,000 years ago to die on the cross, and His 2nd coming will be at the very end of this world, AFTER the great tribulation He warned of. So since you also have an obvious problem with math, like basic counting, the number 1 comes first, and then the number 2 after that.

LOL ~ OBVIOUSLY, you struggle with understanding PLAIN language.

Jesus BODILY Left EARTH.

Jesus' BODY Went to HEAVEN.

Jesus' BODY Shall Descend
FROM HEAVEN
TO THE CLOUDS

(It is Already Established;
WHAT Jesus Does 'IN THE CLOUDS", IS BEYOND your Comprehension).

WHAT you FAIL to Understand in simple Plain language IS:

Jesus' SECOND RETURN...
"IS EXPRESSLY HIM RETURNING ...

TO "EARTH"!!!

LOL...HELLO...
Did you FAIL basic knowledge of Science?
The CLOUDS and The EARTH are TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS!

You are the one teaching TWO returns to Earth!

Those who believe IN Jesus' Teaching, Believe Jesus Descends to;
The Clouds...
And the Clouds are NOT EARTH...LOL

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

You call Jesus Catching UP TO Him; a THEORY... I don't...Thus our Difference

I have never been able to understand THE DEVILISH ANIMOSITY of Christians to the pre-tribulation Rapture.

One would think that every Christian would rejoice in the fact that the saints will be transformed and taken up to Heaven like Enoch. But no. It's called "a theory" invented in the 19th century by Irving, Darby, etc.

 

[Taken]

I have never been able to understand THE DEVILISH ANIMOSITY of Christians to the pre-tribulation Rapture.

They are INCAPABLE of dividing the WORD of TRUTH.

They QUOTE Scripture that APPLIES TO:
ISRAEL...ie Believers IN God, AND NOT Jesus the Christ Messiah.....
AS IF, it APPLIES TO "Converted" men.

Devilish Animosity...

I think they would rather not be embarrassed for having believed a lie for so long, then to consider the Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

I have never been able to understand THE DEVILISH ANIMOSITY of Christians to the pre-tribulation Rapture.

One would think that every Christian would rejoice in the fact that the saints will be transformed and taken up to Heaven like Enoch. But no. It's called "a theory" invented in the 19th century by Irving, Darby, etc.

It's actually the other way around if you look at all the fine stupid words dished out by those like Taken. Those on a false pre-trib rapture get really... angry when you disagree with their false pre-trib rapture theories.

 

[Taken]

It's actually the other way around if you look at all the fine stupid words dished out by those like Taken. Those on a false pre-trib rapture get really... angry when you disagree with their false pre-trib rapture theories.

stupid words....false pre-trib rapture...angry

Your Testimony/Tactics are like an OLD WORN OUT road map.

1) You jumped on a path, but have NO CLUE where it LEADS.

2) The TRIBES of Israel for the Most Part HAVE REJECTED THEIR Christ Messiah.

3) THEY SHALL "ENDURE" portions of the Great Tribulation.

4) THEY SHALL "HAVE" TRIBAL MEN sent to TEACH them OF THEIR CHRIST MESSIAH.

5) THEIR SOULS SHALL BE SAVED "DURING" the Great Tribulation.

6) Their BODIES SHALL BE "KILLED" During the Great Tribulation.

7) At the Close of the Great Tribulation;
Their BODIES SHALL BE "gathered together" and Resurrected....(NOT RAPTURED!)

YOU are Preaching, that ^^ APPLIES to Christs CHURCH of Converted men.

NO, it does NOT.

It Applies to ISRAEL, Gods Elect.
Duh!!
They must SUFFER for THEIR DISOBEDIENCE, In REJECTING Their Christ Messiah!

A Converted Man, is a Man..."IN CHRIST".
A Converted Man, HAS ALREADY Become;
IN BELIEF, IN God, IN Christ Jesus!
Forgiven For HAVING DISBELIEVED!
Bodily Dead;
Soul Saved;
Spirit Quickened:

WHAT DOES ^^^ THAT Converted man HAVE TO SUFFER during the Great Tribulation...
FOR REJECTING? "NOTHING" !!

DUH! A Converted man IN CHRIST...
Has Believed IN GOD "AND" Christ Messiah;
"AND" Submitted a "VOW" of Belief "AND"
BECOME "FAITHFUL" TO:
God and Christ Jesus.

So what IS YOUR ANSWER FOR SUCH A CONVERTED MAN TO "BE ON EARTH" and "SUFFER" WiTH UNBELIEVERS, DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION?

LOL.....ALL you have said IS:
"YOU will be on earth during the Great Tribulation....to PREACH THE WORD OF GOD"...

REALLY? TO WHOM?

Satan's Army and Folks with "his MARK" ?

Or

Perhaps the Tribes of "ISRAEL" ?

WELL, that IS FUNNY!

AND BY THE WAY....You conveniently FORGOT, to give supporting Scripture FOR "YOUR" appointment to TEACH; Christ Jesus TO:
Anti-Christs and the Tribes of Israel.

NOW or DURING the Great Tribulation!

Gentiles were NEVER APPOINTED Teachers of the Tribes of Israel!

And Apparently YOU ARE TOTALLY UNINFORMED...The GREAT Tribulation;
IS NOT ABOUT Converted Men!!

It is IS ABOUT "FINISHING" the DIVISION Jesus Started, and Plainly SAID SO.

And ONCE the DIVISION IS ACCOMPLISHED;
The Earth WILL Be HARVESTED, "finishing" the "Separation" of the Wheat from the Chaff.

Obviously YOU are UNAWARE of Farming...
The Soil Preparation, The Planting of a Good Seed in Good Soul, The HARVESTING of Fruit as IT RIPENS, and More HARVESTING AS MORE Fruit RIPENS, and THEN the END...
THE SEPARATION:
when ALL Good Fruit / WHEAT has been "Gathered"...
And the Chaff is Destroyed / burned / plowed under.

Thee Lord God has BEEN SAVING and TAKING Good Fruit Since the Beginning of Mankind...
And
Setting ASIDE Bad Fruit, For Judgement, Since the Beginning of Mankind.

You have the BOOK, that Contains the Knowledge, but You Fail to Comprehend the Facts, the Mysteries Revealed.

And since you CAN NOT Comprehend the Facts; You simply resort to Accusations, ie (liar, angry....LOL) as if that TACTIC is satisfactory to make your Accusations HAVE creditibility.

They Don't!

I ALREADY KNOW, there IS NOT ONE IOTA purpose, reason, teaching...FOR a Converted Gentile TO BE ON EARTH DURING the Great Tribulation OF GODS PUNISHMENT and VENGEANCE AGAINST MEN WHO HAVE "REJECTED GOD" OR "HIS CHRIST MESSIAH"!

I ALREADY KNOW, The WORD of GOD SHALL CALL UP HIS CHURCH "TO HIM"...

I ALREADY KNOW, It is Precisely THOSE Converted IN Christ, WHO, "HEAR HIS VOICE" (WHO "ARE" HIS CHURCH) and SHALL RESPOND WHEN He CALLS THEM UP TO HIM, WHOLE...(BODY< SOUL< SPIRIT) IN THE CLOUDS, PRESISELY, BECAUSE THEY ARE "NOT" Appointed to Suffer WRATH!

Angry? Me? Because YOU lack Understanding? LOL, No. Rather I find YOUR desire to REMAIN IGNORANT sadly amusing, AFTER SCRIPTURE WARNS ...
The TRUTH, AND THE MYSTERY has BeEN REVEALED...and STILL MEN WILL Hear, but not comprehend, See, but not comprehend....and DENY...and continue to SEARCH FOR "Gods Understanding" EVERYWHERE, BUT FROM God Himself.

Perhaps YOUR OWN Pastor can SHOW YOU IN SCRIPTURE WHEREBY Converted men "IN CHRIST" are APPOINTED TO SUFFER THE GREAT TRIBULATION WRATH OF GOD....

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Not a Mystery ~
...Noah was Saved by being LIFTED UP above the face of the earth, IN A BOAT.

Not a Mystery ~
...Those who Rejected God, ARE NOT SAVED.

Not a Mystery ~
...Gentiles who HEAR of Christ Jesus, and TO THEIR Physical Death; REJECT HIM, ARE NOT SAVED.

Not a Mystery ~
...Israel who HEARS of Christ Jesus, and REJECT HIM, ARE SUBJECT to Gods Punishment.

Not a Mystery ~
...God IS A JEALOUS GOD.

Not a Mystery ~
...Once Jesus was Revealed; ANY MAN WHO TO his Physical Death; Rejects thee Lord God and His Christ Messiah, SHALL SUFFER Gods WRATH.

Not a Mystery ~
...ANY man WHO...persecutes a man FOR BeLIEVING IN THEE Lord God and His Christ Messiah...SHALL SUFFER Gods WRATH and CUP of Gods INDIGNATION.

MYSTERY ~ REVEALED ~ AFTER 2,000 years ago...
...Gentiles could be INCLUDED in Gods Salvation, WITHOUT converting to Judaism.

MYSTERY ~ REVEALED ~ AFTER 2,000 years ago...
ANY man Believing IN thee God Almighty and His Christ Messiah...COULD BE MADE WHOLE...Body, Soul, Spirit...
BEFORE THE MANS PHYSICAL DEATH!

MYSTERY ~ REVEALED ~ Any man MADE WHOLE, IS NOT SUBJECT to Gods GREAT Tribulation WRATH.

MYSTERY ~ REVEALED ~ A Converted man IS LIFTED UP above the Face of the Earth BEFORE Gods GREAT Tribulation...BY THE POWER OF "God" (WHO IS CHRIST)...and BY
The WORD of "God" (WHO IS JESUS)..and BY
The AUTHORITY of "God" (WHO GAVE to JESUS CHRIST), "HIS" People.

Not a Mystery ~ Jesus' People ARE Converted men, WHO ARE "His Church".

Glory TO our Faithful and True Lord God,
Taken