The Mystery Revealed
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Hello Jon, my understanding is after Acts 28:28, the Lord would no longer deal with Israel as a nation. All through the book of Acts you can see the lord dealing with Israel to accept her Messiah still even after the cross. I don't see Jew-Gentile connection in any way, other than they both need to believe and the moment they do, their in Christ where there is no race. Age old argument, just my understanding.
Davy
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I have proven the pre-trib rapture theory to be false... Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 align with what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thess.4 about the coming of Christ and gathering of His Church. And that is all the Scripture proof I need, two Bible witnesses.
Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV
Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV
Those Scriptures ARE ABSOLUTLY TRUE.
What IS NOT TRUE, is Your Understanding, of WHAT those Scripture are Describing, and To WHOM those Scripture APPLY.
Pre-Tribulation RAPTURE, IS the Lifting UP Above the Earth Men ALREADY IN Christ Jesus. THEY are ALREADY "MADE" Whole and Wholly Acceptable FOR God to CLAIM, RESURRECT, THEM, and THEY BE Lifted UP INTO "HIS PRESENCE", "HIS LIGHT".
THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO "HIS WRATH"!
The end of days TRIBULATION IS Specifically Gods Display OF HIS WRATH, AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE "IN STANDING" AGAINST God, and or "IN STANDING" AGAINST Christ Jesus.
You have been told these Things and Shown the Verifying Scriptures.
You have BEEN TOLD, and Given Verifying Scriptures;
Jesus IS IN Heaven.
Jesus DESCENDS FROM Heaven "TO" the Clouds.
While Jesus IS IN THE CLOUDS, He Raises UP TO HIM, ALL MEN "WHO" have become Wholly Whole....Body, Soul, Spirit...In FULL FAITH and CONVERSION, BELIEVING IN:
IN God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit; ONE Lord God Almighty.
You teaching otherwise is PERVERSION of the TRUTH.
Immediately after the Tribulation....WHAT?
Christ is in the Clouds WITH ALL, who believe IN God "AND" Him....
But golly gee.....WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL, called Israel, called Gods ELECT?
What IS going on with THEM, and HAS BEEN for the last 2,000 years? DID it escape your KNOWLEDGE, the Majority of ISRAEL....ARE NOT IN BELIEF IN Christ Jesus?
Did it ESCAPE your Knowledge, A few Jews Became Faithful to Christ Jesus, WHILE Jesus Jewish Disciples were LIVING AND traveling and Preaching Christ Jesus?
Did it ESCAPE your Knowledge. The Jews did not foster and advocate Believing in Christ Jesus, AND REVERTED Generationally TO believing in God, and FOLLOWING THE LAW as THEIR fathers had done?
Did it ESCAPE your Knowledge, As Gentiles were Learning of God, Turning to God, Learning of Christ Jesus, Turning to Christ Jesus.....Those Gentiles have been fostering and advocating for the last 2,000 years FOR God, and FOR Christ Jesus....
TO WHOM? "ISRAEL"? NO.
To WHOM? "Other Gentiles"? YES.
Did it ESCAPE your Knowledge. God HAS a PLAN FOR "HIS ISRAEL"?
Did it ESCAPE your Knowledge, Israel shall be Subject to the WRATH OF THE LAMB....DUH, Because it IS THE Lamb of God, Christ Jesus, WHOM israel has REJECTED!
And the WRATH of THE LAMB....Begins the End of days Tribulation, WHEN the LAMB of God begins OPENING the SEALS.
Did it ESCAPE your Knowledge, God has made PROVISIONS for His ELECT "ISRAEL", (all of the Tribes of Israel).
God Expressly Notifies us of HIS PLAN;
God shall SEND ISRAEL...TWO Witnesses, WHO Are ISRAEL and 144,000 of Every Tribe of Israel to Preach Christ Jesus TO ISRAEL "ON EARTH".
Are they Coming to PREACH to Gentiles, WHO have HAD THAT MESSAGE FOR 2,000 years?
Pfft! No. Gentiles who have REJECTED God, REJECTED Christ Jesus.....ARE NOT Gods ELECT, He is SENDING Witnesses and Preachers TO.
THEY, Israel, Gods Elect, SHALL BECOME CONVERTED "IN CHRST"....
SOUL SAVED, SPIRIT QUICKENED....
AND OOPS, they were NOT Crucified with Christ...So no they are Not Christ's Church.
THEY ARE ISRAEL, Gods PEOPLE, Gods Elect;
THEY shall BECOME, BODILY KILLED, BY Gods ADVERSARY, WHO shall be temporarily SEATED, in a Position of World Power.
(And to Remember, ALL POWER comes from God...EVEN in the day, Gods gives great power to His Adversary to Rule the World for a short time.)
Did it Escape your Knowledge, AFTER, ALL of Gods ELECT, have BECOME Saved, Quickened....AND Bodily Killed...
TOGETHER THEIR SOULS/SPIRITS shall RISE UP TO.....(the clouds?)...NO, TO Heaven, to BE IN Gods Presence, where they will Praise and Worship God.
And their Bodies? Uh, their Dead Bodies?
They shall BE RAISED UP...
AFTER the Tribulation...AFTER God POURS OUT His WRATH....AND INDIGNATION...AND REVENGE...UPON MEN WHO...
Refused to Believe in God,
Refused to Believe in Christ Jesus,
Persecuted Men Who did Believe in God and men Who did Believe in Christ Jesus.
YES..."THEN" after the Tribulation, shall appear the "SIGN" of the "Son of man in heaven"....
And YOU? Are YOU OF the World? Shall you be IN DARKNESS, ON the Earth, without the SUN? Standing on Earth Looking up and MOURNING? Looking UP at the Son of Man Coming IN THE CLOUDS of Heaven, WITH Great Power and Glory?
Huh....Why will you be MOURNING ?
Men will ALSO be CRYING in PAIN and ANGER....
Huh....Why would you be CRYING in PAIN and ANGER to See the Lord Coming (His Second Coming) to Earth?
Of course God comes to Gather His ELECT, Just as Christ Jesus Gathered His UNTO Himself.
Has it Escaped your Knowledge...
God established a Division Among Men very early on in the history of Mankind.
Israel is Gods People.
Gentiles (for the most part) become Established IN God AND Christ Jesus and Belong to Christ.
And THOSE WHOM God Gave to Christ, Just as Scripture says....NONE become LOST and without Christ. THEY ARE Christs Church.
You presenting Scriptures That HAVE no Applicability to Christ's Church....has no Applicability to me.
All Scripture IS TRUE....However NOT ALL Scripture "APPLIES" to ALL People.Divide the WORD of Truth.
The WORD of TRUTH...IS ALL Scripture.
Dividing the WORD of TRUTH...IS KNOWING WHAT APPLIES to YOU (and WHY), and what DOES NOT Apply to you (and WHY).
When You exhibit, and it can be Observed YOU DO NOT "Divide the Word of Truth" for yourself....it becomes almost comical to oberve YOU Trying to dictate with some ungranted authority, What APPLIES to another Person.
Proof? No, you have provided NO Proof, that the Scripture you mention have any applicability to a man IN Christ.
And another thing....A PRETRIB raising up of Christ's Church to MEET the Lord IN THE COLOUDS DENIER.....NEVER REVEALS...
IS WHAT exactly IS THEIR PURPOSE TO BE "ON EARTH"...WHEN the Lamb of God AND God are Exhibiting "THEIR WRATH" Upon the Earth and it's Inhabitants....
WHY IS IT you are QUICK to wag your Tongue AT those who Trust to Believe God HAS NOT APPLOINTED MEN in Christ "TO WRATH"...
BUT you REMAIN SILENT, on What exactly IS your PURPOSE to BE ON Earth, WHEN Gods WRATH is EXACTED UPON the EARTH.
WHY?
Glory to God,
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Davy
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Your response is absolute... junk. You have provided no Scripture proof of what you say. You only supply heresy.
The 'wrath' idea you refer to is from Apostle Paul in 1 Thess.5, where he says those in Christ are not appointed to God's wrath. Your problem with that is, that Paul was speaking of God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked on the LAST DAY of this world, not the tribulation time. The "sudden destruction" on the "day of the Lord" is for the LAST DAY of this world, not during the tribulation. That is the wrath we are not appointed to per Paul.
Secondly, you cannot proclaim our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse is not for us (His Church) and then claim what He said to His disciples in John 14 about the "many mansions" is for us, His Church. There is no reason to think what Jesus taught in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 is not for us, especially since He said in Luke 21 for those of His in the 'countries' to not enter into Jerusalem when the AOD is setup there. And also especially since the signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are the Seals of Revelation 6, which was definitely given to His Church through John.
The pre-trib doctors you follow simply have told you a LIE, and you have sucked it up, hook, line, and sinker.
Thank you for sharing you believe Men in Christ NOW, is simply to you, junk and heresy.
Glory to God,
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Actually The Lamb of God's Wrath, begins with the Lamb of God Opening the Seals ...
And Angels deliver the Wrath.
The Angels continue delivering the Woes as they blow the Trumpts.
The Angels continue delivering the Vials of Gods Wrath.
And God Pours out His cup of INDIGNATION upon the occupants of the world, which is God Avenging the men WHO Believed and were persecuted by unbelievers.
And a man WHO was WILLING to DRINK from Jesus' CUP, are not subject to ANY WRATH, of the Seals, Trumptets or Vials.
But I gather that is a mystery to you.
Apparently you think the Great Tribulation period will be a swell time....lol
BTW you forgot to mention, What YOU WILL BE DOING ON EARTH, during the time of the opening of the Seals, the Trumpets, and the Vials....
WHY so Evasive?
Long after the Scripture was written, it was complied into chapters and verses.
Even in ONE verse, part of it may apply to me, and part of it not apply to me.
However it appears quite obvious, by what you claim to believe, there are likely numerous Scriptures that do not apply to you "and"me....so uh...there is little to link you and myself as "us".
No clue what doctors you are making up as if you have authority to make claims for me...
You do not have such authority to speak for me....So why do you carry on with such garbage? Isn't that uh like YOU LYING?
Hey why not talk about a subject you know...
LIKE YOU for example....
What are you going to be doing ON EARTH...when the 7 Seals are being opened, and the 7 Trumpets are being sounded, and the 7 Vials are being poured out upon the Earth?
Glory to God,
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Davy
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You really don't understand what you're talking about, the pre-trib rapture doctors have your mind so twisted away from God's Word. The vials of wrath prior to the final one... are upon the beast and the wicked, and they happen during the tribulation, but NOT THE FINAL 7TH VIAL of God's cup of wrath on the LAST DAY of this world! Instead, your pre-trib doctors wrongly teach you that all... of the vials of Rev.16 happen during the great tribulation. The final vial doesn't, but instead ENDS the great tribulation. And the main reason that final vial ends the trib is because it will be the day of Jesus' coming to defeat His enemies with God's consuming fire burning man's works off this earth. That's is the day of "sudden destruction" on the "day of the Lord" Paul was talking about in 1 Thess.5; that is the "wrath" Paul was speaking of that those in Christ are not appointed to. We, Christ's Church, are appointed to go through the tribulation and suffer through Satan's wrath, not God's wrath. Your pre-trib doctors lie to you and say we aren't going to be here, but will be raptured prior to the tribulation, which is not written. That's their crazy reasoning, "no wrath for us, so we must be gone boys!".
It will be, for the deceived and the wicked.
Jesus even told us to not be alarmed as long as we hear of wars and rumors of wars, because THE END IS NOT YET. But your pre-trib charlatan teachers instead leave that last part off of what my Lord Jesus said, because the opposite time of war and rumors of wars is a time of peace. The END is going to be a time of peace, and that is what Apostle Paul said also...
1 Thess 5:2-4
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV
But YOU DENY what Apostle Paul said there about that "sudden destruction" coming upon those who will be saying, "Peace and safety", in favor of those false pre-trib rapture doctors who lie and tell you it's going to be total all out war and chaos! (like Hal Lindsey). You cannot even address that above Scripture!!
And that means you are in that "darkness" and will side with those deceived who will be saying, "Peace and safety" in that future time. That day will overtake you "as a thief" because of listening to men instead of the simple words there by Apostle Paul.
Prove your accusation.
Identify these "doctors", otherwise that shall be view as another of your made up lies.
7 Vials.
Not instead. All 7 vials shall be poured out.
Rev 16 reveals each vial poured out, and what it does.
Not a big secret, The LAST vial, the 7th vial, accomplishes what is intended.
Lies.
LOL...
The 7 Seals, The 7 Trumps, The 7 Vials...
ARE the ORDER of things that SPECIFICALLY HAPPEN DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION!
Gee...let me ponder....humm...When LAST Vial, which IS the 7thn Vial poured out
...uh, uh, uh, What then? More Tribulation....LOL...
No Duh....The Great Tribulation is DONE.
Lies.
No. The Lord says I am with Him. The Lord is in the Clouds Above the Earth During the Great Tribulation. I believe the Lord, thus I say I am NOT on Earth during the Great Tribulation.
YOU say YOU will be ON Earth during the Great Tribulation. I do not say YOU Lie about that. I believe YOU WILL BE ON Earth During the Great Tribulation, and I WILL BE IN THE CLOUDS WITH THE Lord.
Sure it is.
Matt 28:20
[20].. I am (Lord God) with you (me) alway...
1 Thes 4
[16] ...Lord himself shall descend from heaven...
[17] ...caught up [meaning of the word RAPTURE] ...in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
You can have "YOUR" SUPPOSED SANE REASONING, TO BE ON EARTH and SUFFER Gods WRATH Poured OUT on UNBELIEVERS.
I have asked YOU several times "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE DOING ON EARTH DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION"...
YOUR ANSWER....SILENCE!
Since you failed to answer, I will therefore presume YOU WILL BE doing what all the Other Unbelievers WILL BE DOING ON EARTH, during the Great Tribulation...
Crying ouchie oochie and Crying out your Anger Againt God.
Yep, for them ON EARTH, and thanks for sharing YOU expect to BE AMONG THEM.
However FOR ME. Jesus came to DIVIDE the People. Those WITH HIM and Those AGAINST (without) HIM.
I made my Choice to BE WITH HIM,
And Apparently YOU ARE UNAWARE, The Lord IS NOT ON THE EARTH, DURING the GREAT TRIBULATION, and NEITHER are those that ARE WITH HIM!
So? Not a BIG secret, Wars and Rumors of Wars has been going on for Centuries.
So What?
No kidding.
There is A Tribulation Period. There is a Separation Period. There is that 1,000 year thingy... LOL
Lies.
WOW...that's news.....LOL...NOT!
SHUT YOUR MOUTH, and STOP making up LIES! I said not such thing.
LOL ~ Apparently if you are dropping names, you are listening to those names.
Don't include me, IN WHAT YOU DO!
AND FYI, you can't even address what you will be doing ON EARTH, separated from the Lord, DURING the Great Tribulation!
Another Lie according to your obsession of making up garbage.
The TRUTH IS, I am "IN Christ".
Blinding yourself and making up silly little comments simply makes me think you have a desire to be LIKE Bazooka Joe.
Glory to God,
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Davy
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You do... deny what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thess.5, because you heed the pre-trib rapture spin-doctors instead, which completely DISREGARD the "wrath" timing Paul was speaking of there, which is on the LAST DAY of this world. What you believe is what those pre-trib rature spin-doctors teach, i.e., that the Church had already gone to Heaven before the tribulation, and thus before that day of God's cup of wrath on the 7th Vial happens.
So if I'm the one telling lies, then that would mean you agree... that "wrath" of 1 Thess.5:9 is the timing of that "sudden destruction" of 1 Thess.5:3.
But of course, you do not... agree with that above statement, which makes you... the one here denying what Apostle Paul said in that 1 Thess.5 Chapter.
You should be cautious Davy.
You making claims saying things I did not say, simply makes you a liar.
You should be cautious Davy.
You making claim saying things I did not say, simply makes you a liar.
WHY ARE YOU DICTATING WHAT I BELIEVE AND FOLLOW? You make yourself a LIAR!
I have NEVER ANNOUNCED FOLLOWING ANYONE, But Christ Jesus.
You obviously DO NOT BELIEVE, MEN IN CHRIST, ARE NOT SUBJECT TO WRATH.
1 Thes 5
[9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 3
[36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
I disagree with what you Believe.
You telling lies is speaking things I did not say.
Again that is a LIE.
Are you too Dense to not know, You and I have Different Understandings?
I am not subject to YOU Speaking FOR ME, saying things I never said.
For 6,000 years God has BEEN Teaching men, and correcting and punishing men who say they believe, and will obey, and then don't.
Ding, ding, ding,....that makes God Angry!!
And God has WARNED, a time shall come, When HIS ANGER shall BE REVEALED...and THAT TIME is called The Great Tribulation, when God EXERCISES HIS "WRATH"!!
Perhaps you have NOT NOTICED the ORDER...
Hebrews, Israel, Tribes....ALL following God, and many "wandering off", adopting Heathen ways.
Jesus Christ ARRIVES, appoints Jews, from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin to Follow Him, Learn from Him, Believe In Him, and GO TEACH the Tribes of Israel what they have forgotten of God and Teach them of Jesus the Christ Messiah...
Open your EYES...Israel Stopped Following and Believing Jesus is their Christ Messiah.
Then GO LEARN ~
Those WHO ACCEPT Jesus the Christ Messiah of Israel, ALSO ACCEPT Thee God Of ISRAEL....
and HAVE BECOME "MADE WHOLE", body, soul, spirit....IN CHRIST
THEY ARE NOT ... in disobedience, SUBJECT TO WRATH..."THEY" ARE CHRISTS CHURCH.
There IS NOT ONE THING ON EARTH FOR THEM TO DO....WHILE thee Lord God is IN HEAVEN Exacting HIS punishment / WRATH UPON the EARTH.
Christ's Church IS RAISED UP ABOVE the FACE OF THE EARTH, that THEY NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE EFFECTS OF WRATH UPON THE EARTH...
It is a REPEAT, of the DAY God DESTROYED the EARTH and its inhabitants IN THE GREAT FLOOD.
Noah, and his family whom God found Grace in.
It was Noah who was Faithful.
It was God who directed Noah to build an Ark....
Build a BOAT, when No Rain had ever fallen, when there were No Seas near for the Boat to Sail.
It was Noah for between 40-70 years spent building this BOAT, and ridiculed, by OTHER men.
But the DAY CAME, when God opened the firmament and RAIN FELL, and humm..
What happened to the Earth? It became covered with WATER.
And WHAT happened to the PEOPLE ON the Earth?
And wHAT happened to Noah and his family who was IN the Ark?
Scripture PLAINLY tells you.
Gen 7
[17] And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
ABOVE the Earth....BECAUSE:
Noah WAS SAVED
AND
EARTH was being DESTROYED!
Well ANOTHER EARTH Destruction is Coming, During the GREAT Tribulation, when God exercises HIS WRATH.
And the SAVED, IN CHRIST, WILL BE LIFTED UP off the face of the Earth, TO the Clouds!
Others MAY or MAY not BECOME SAVED "DURING" the Great Tribulation.
ISRAEL will be Saved...Because God has PREPARED Witnesses for THEM.
Other men, Gentiles, may or may not be Saved, depending on what the Choose and Commit TO.
And DURING the Great Tribulation, those WHO Choose and Commit to Thee Lord God,
SHALL become physically KILLED, lay dead whereever, their souls saved, their spirits quickened...and together their souls and spirit rise up to Heaven.....
And AFTER the Great Tribulation and ALL unbeliever lay dead, Bird food; (the fallen angels sent to hell)....GOD SHALL GATHER the BODIES of ALL the SLAIN BELIEVERS, from Every corner of the World.
Now the Great Tribulation that BEGINS, with the OPENING OF THE SEALS....Rev 6:1
Which IS, the Beginning of:
The "WRATH OF THE LAMB"....Rev 6:16
DUH! Those IN Christ are not subject to the Lambs Wrath....That APPLIES to ISRAEL, who believes IN GOD, BUT NOT Jesus the Christ Messiah! Duh, so they are subject to the Lambs Wrath....FOR NOT Having Believed in Jesus the Christ!!
Then continues the Sounding of the Trumpts...and MORE WRATH...upon men who have REJECTED both God and Christ Jesus..
Then continues the Vials...Gods Wrath upon the Millions of Men who have Rejeceted God and Elected (by allegience and mark), the Anti-Christ as their god and savior.
THEN nearing the Ending of the Great Tribulation....IS Gods CUP of INDIGNATION poured out on ALL those WHO have ....
PERSECUTED men who Believed in God, in Christ!
THAT ^ is Gods VEANGENCE being Poured out, Just as God Said VEANGENCE IS HIS...
He AVENGES every man that was Persecuted and Killed, BECAUSE that man BELIEVED IN THE WORD OF GOD!
YOUR understanding that WRATH ONLY happens on the LAST DAY....is NOT what Scripture teaches.
WRATH is the EXPRESSING OF ANGER.
And The Lamb of God, and God Himself...
ARE Angry, MEN have REJECTED HIM...
And for 7 years...increase, by increase men who reject God and the Lamb of God shall experience Wrath.....Until they BELIEVE and SUBMIT to GOD....or thee Anti-Christ.
You SKIP TOO MUCH. Follow the ORDER.
You want to BE ON EARTH, during ANY Part of the GREAT Tribulation?
Because the Wrath during the Great Tribulation IS FOR those who have Rejected God and God and Christ.
If that FITS you...then ENJOY.
Glory to God,
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Very clearly and nicely said.
Yes, the Mystery is the Spirit of God by and through Christ entering a man, exacting Salvation in the man....BEFORE Physical Death of the man.
(And ^ was something Paul spoke about. A conundrum of sorts, of having the glory of Salvation, while still Being alive in a Physical Body, that we know has SINNED Against God).
Whereas Paul, said:
2 Cor 5:
[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Pryor ~ Men did not receive a Saved Soul, until the Time of their Physical Death.
Glory to God,
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MYSTERY REVEALED ~ OP
There were MANY Mysteries to OT men.
They were MYSTERIES, Because they Were Secret. Once the SECRETS are Revealed, that Knowledge belongs to us.
Deut 29
[29] The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
1) Who was He who came among men in the OT ?
His NAME was Secret.
Judges 13:
[18] And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
2) Anyone Notice, the Multiple times "someone" Called BY a "TITLE" came among Men, IN THE OT, and NOT UNTIL the NT, was His NAME REVEALED?
Angel OF the LORD...
STAR...
Bright Star...
King OF Salem...
Child...
Son...
Servant...
Faithful...
Messiah...
Lamb...
Savior...
Rock...
Maker...
Word...
Wisdom...
True Light...
Enlightener...
UnChanging...
Power...
Spirit...
Lord...
Quickener...
Truth...
Life...
Way...
SEED...
Forgiver...
Friend...
Wonderful...
Counseller...
Comforter...
Offerer...
Rejected...
Accused...
Accepted...
Worshipped...
Prince of Peace...
Everlasting Father...
Christ...
Lord of Heaven...
Lord of Earth...
KING of kings...
LORD of Lords...
Lord God Almighty...
HIS NAME; JESUS, I AM, POWER...
Matt 10:
26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Mark 4
[22] For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.
Luke 8
[17] For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Col. 1
[26] Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
2 Cor 4
[3] But IF our gospel be hid, IT IS hid to them that are lost:
Yes, the MYSTERIES once HIDDEN, have been Revealed...and Clearly by ones OWN Testimonies....the individual REVEALS IF "THEY" understand...or not.
Glory to God,
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There were MANY Mysteries to OT men.
They were MYSTERIES, Because they Were Secret. Once the SECRETS are Revealed, that Knowledge belongs to us.
Deut 29
[29] The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
1) Who was He who came among men in the OT ?
His NAME was Secret.
Judges 13:
[18] And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
2) Anyone Notice, the Multiple times "someone" Called BY a "TITLE" came among Men, IN THE OT, and NOT UNTIL the NT, was His NAME REVEALED?
Angel OF the LORD...
STAR...
Bright Star...
King OF Salem...
Child...
Son...
Servant...
Faithful...
Messiah...
Lamb...
Savior...
Rock...
Maker...
Word...
Wisdom...
True Light...
Enlightener...
UnChanging...
Power...
Spirit...
Lord...
Quickener...
Truth...
Life...
Way...
SEED...
Forgiver...
Friend...
Wonderful...
Counseller...
Comforter...
Offerer...
Rejected...
Accused...
Accepted...
Worshipped...
Prince of Peace...
Everlasting Father...
Christ...
Lord of Heaven...
Lord of Earth...
KING of kings...
LORD of Lords...
Lord God Almighty...
HIS NAME; JESUS, I AM, POWER...
Matt 10:
26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Mark 4
[22] For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.
Luke 8
[17] For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Col. 1
[26] Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
2 Cor 4
[3] But IF our gospel be hid, IT IS hid to them that are lost:
Yes, the MYSTERIES once HIDDEN, have been Revealed...and Clearly by ones OWN Testimonies....the individual REVEALS IF "THEY" understand...or not.
Glory to God,
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When I was a new christian , I cut my teeth on Watchman Nee.
I read his "The Salvation Of The Soul" through a few times over.
Before that, I thought we were all 'saved' at conversion....because it is generally called "getting saved".
Obviously we are...but not in it's fullness. ( I must pull it out and read it again...haven't read it for a few years now. )
Davy
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Like I said, you disregarded what Paul taught in the 1 Thess.5:2 & 3 verses about the "day of the Lord" and "sudden destruction" event, and went straight to the "wrath" verse, just as you did in quoting the above.
Again you fail in understanding...Biblical understanding and in general.
The GREAT Tribulation, is God exhibiting HIS ANGER though "Actions" of WRATH UPON the Earth and People.
Actions: Through sending the Anti-Christ With Power, that men who reject Christ can Experience the Anti-Christ..Through Weather and Earthquakes...Without God...Through Famine...Without God...Through Disease and Insect Swarms....Without God....
The Day of the Lord, is the Ending of Wars, Ending of Division....and the Time for Separation....and SUDDEN Destruction of ALL Against God Being Separated FROM thee Lord God and His People.
So whatever you are babbling about and wagging your tongue in personal accusations ...is of no consequence to me...but apparently the only thing you are capable of doing...
Since you have YET to reveal what a Supposed Saved and Born again person WILL BE DOING "ON EARTH" during the Great Tribulation...
Glory to God,
Taken
Davy
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Your words are just more JUNK from the Pre-trib Rapture bookies (Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al). All they want is your money. A friend of mine has something like 13 books in a series by Tim LaHaye on the false pre-trib rapture. It's into big Hollywood movies too. Lot of money being made, all based on a false doctrine that is not... written anywhere in God's Word.
You have made it Abundantly Clear;
You SHALL BE LEFT BEHIND "ON EARTH" during the GREAT TRIBULATION.
What are YOU going to Be DOING "ON EARTH" DURING THE "GREAT TRIBULATION"?
Glory to God,
Taken
It entails....DEATH (unto God), ie Crucified with Christ.
It entails FORGIVENESS (for having NOT Believed).
It entails RESTORATION of the Soul, (ie SAVING the Soul unto Godliness)
It entails RECEIVING Gods SEED, via HIS Spirit.
It entails QUICKENING of the spirit, (of a man that has a NATURAL spirit, being BORN AGAIN by Gods SEED, to an EVERLASTING Spiritual spirit).
In FACT, According to Gods "BOOKS AND RECORDS" the Body, Soul, Spirit of a MAN is in it's FULLNESS and PREPARED TO BE Resurrected (BODILY) In it's FULL GLORY.
While we REMAIN, in our natural Flesh, we are not "entitled" to RECEIVE OUR GLORIFIED BODY. We must REMAIN IN THE FLESH LIKENESS, TO:
Accomplish Serving the Lord ON EARTH;
Which is Accomplished, in a fashion that OTHER MEN IN THEIR FLESH, CAN "SEE" a man in his Flesh when he is SPEAKING the Word of God.
Jesus is our Example.
Jesus had a BODY OF FLESH, "UPON" Him, EVEN WHEN, BENEATH, the FLESH,
AND UNSEEN to NATURAL MEN
Jesus Himself WAS WHOLLY WHOLE and HOLY, body, soul, spirit.
Natural men who do NOT believe, Demanded to be TAUGHT, (not by Hearing ONLY), THEY Demanded to "SEE" God.
(Remember God calling them, stiffnecked, because HEARING ONLY, was not suffient, and they Demanded to SEE God...?
Particularly, those named who wanted to SEE God, was Moses, Job, Philip...)
God Sent Jesus IN A FORM men could SEE, and Some Believed, and Many Still DENIED.
What Jesus DID, is our EXAMPLE.
For us to Become MADE (by the Power of God)
Wholly, Whole, and Holy, SPEAK the Word of God....WHILE still on the OUTSIDE, men CAN "SEE" what is "SPEAKING" to them.
Again. It is IN Fullness. However you STILL have HUMAN EYES, that you can not SEE, the Glory of your BODY, until The Lord RAISES YOU UP OFF "this" EARTH.
THIS EARTH, was created FOR a Natural man;
God is "MAKING" Natural men; SUPERNATURAL; body, soul, spirit; that can ONLY BE "SEE", by supernatural men, and by themselves, WHEN THEY ARE RAISE UP ABOVE "THIS" Earth.
THIS EARTH, shall undergo a CHANGE ALSO,
And PREPARED for ONLY, SUPERNATURAL beings, that have been MADE wholly, whole and holy; body, soul, spirit.
Again, We ARE in our FULLNESS, but we can NOT YET "SEE" it.
Jesus, Taught TELLING a Man of "WHOLENESS"... and Informed him in short, his "WHOLENESS" became established BY HIS FAITH.
Luke 17
[19] And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
God Bless,
Taken
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