Since my points aren't corrected, then I continue to read all Scripture without injecting a sin nature nor spirit into it.
All creation of celestial and terrestrial things was and is mortal and declared good by Christ, whether star, planet, flesh, or tree and grass.
And so also with Romans 8.
It appears you have not studied the Romans 8:18-25 Scripture by Apostle Paul, where he declared that God placed today's creation in a state of vanity, in bondage to corruption...
Rom 8:18-25
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Paul's subject: the future glory of the world to come.
Agree.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
That word "creature" is Greek ktisis, which in a later verse here is translated as "creation". So Paul is pointing to this present creation we are in today. Today's creation waits for the future manifestation of the sons of God, i.e., the glory of the world to come.
Not agree with natural creation waiting for anything, since it does not think, and the only thing to comes to is it's fiery destruction and fleeing from God on His white throne.
The new creatures in Christ wait for the perfected manifestation of the sons of God in the bodily resurrection, and the promised new heaven and earth of eternity with the Lamb and God in New Jerusalem.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him Who hath subjected the same in hope,
The creation of this present world was made subject to vanity by GOD Himself. He has subjected not only us in hope of the world to come, but also today's creation in that same hope. This points to today's creation being 'imperfect', and not perfect as many like to think.
As I pointed out, God's natural creation is made mortal and good, not perfect. The new heaven and earth will be eternal and perfect.
Likewise all flesh of living creatures are made mortal and good, not perfect, including the flesh of man, which Jesus likewise came in on earth.
What is now being subjected to vanity and
not willingly, is all flesh and nature of heaven and earth, since no natural thing has any will of it's own. Both the celestial and terrestrial creation are now subject to the vanity of spiritual beings, both angels and men, being created by God for His good pleasure, but now many of whom are at enmity with Him, for which the flesh suffers, especially in fornication:
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Both the planet and men's natural mortal bodies suffer from sinful deeds of man, rather than being nourished in all things, as God first commanded man to do.
God subjected His natural creation to mankind, including mortal bodies to living souls, which when spiritually corrupted now subjects natural things to vain and corrupt sinful deeds.
Deeds are what corrupt things on earth, not a sin spirit or nature 'created' by man sinning on earth, no more than there was a sin nature or spirit created for the celestial bodies by Lucifers sin against God.
No such 'sin' nature nor spirit has been created at all, since all such spiritual and natural things are created only by Christ, and never sinfully.
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
There's Greek ktisis properly translated to "creation". Today's creation God placed in "bondage to corruption", and with the future world to come it will be delivered from that bondage, along with us.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
The only time this heaven and earth will be delivered of men's abundant sinful deeds, as before the transgression, is during the reign of Christ, where the lion lays down with the lamb, and trees clap and shout for joy, figuratively speaking of course. The groaning and travailing is natural only, such as in the wilds and in rapacious destruction and waste of resources. (I am a conservationist, not an environmentalist) Pagan spirits in waters and trees is false. At the end of His reign, this heaven and earth will become old and gone away in fiery flame. This heaven and earth don't 'know' that, much less wait for it.
We groan in our spirits enduring temptations unto the end, to be delivered of mortal flesh and imperfected minds. The glorious liberty of the resurrected bodies, will be the enteral joy of having no more unwanted thoughts to tempt to sin whatsoever, Which is the joy of the Lord God on His throne, who cannot be tempted by fiery thoughts from the devil. Jesus was tempted also by such thoughts in all things, but without sinning, and also looked for the joy of His own resurrected body, when His own mind and mortal flesh were perfected.
The OSAS teaching of 'hoping' for a life without sinning
after the resurrection is vain imagination. Only them being preserved pure in spirit and soul and body will be perfected in the resurrection. Those not enduring temptation, but committing to sinning with the devil, will never see God in purity of heart, nor be resurrected with perfected mind and body.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
In 1 Corinthians 15:35-50, Apostle Paul taught that the body type of the world to come will be a "spiritual body". That is the type body he is referring to here of what part of us that will be redeemed then.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
KJV
If one still hopes for that world to come, then that means today they do not see it having come yet. So we are to have patience in waiting for it.
Agree. The resurrected saints will be with enteral lively spiritual bodies, even as the obedient angels have now, but ours will be in the likeness of Jesus' own resurrected body, which we get a glimpse of in Rev 1. We are made a little lower than angels now in mortal flesh, but will be crowned with glorious bodies higher than them, in resurrected bodies like that of Jesus Christ now in heaven.
The hope we cannot yet see, but believe Scripture by faith, is the glorious blessedness of never having to fight off another single unwanted thought forever, nor ever have anymore infirmity of flesh and blood. We cannot see that now, because it is not possible with the imperfected renewed mind and body of mortal flesh.
Those who think they are now seeing such perfectedness of the mind, so that they are not even tempted anymore to sin, are the delusional perfectionists that say they have no temptation of sin, 1 John 1, and the resurrection is past already, 2 Tim 2.
One such person teaches that on this site, who claims he has already recieved his resurrected body in his own heavenly place, while his poor hapless mortal body still roams the earth doing all the sinning now. It's the glittering crowning jewel of soul separation theology.
So far, the only difference we seem to have, is that the natural creation and mortal flesh on earth does no thinking nor sinning nor righteousness nor hoping nor waiting for itself.
Only spiritual beings, created by the Eternal Spirit and God, are given power of thought, intents, and imagination to do good or evil.
The only difference between angels and men, is we are made a little lower than they with mortal bodies, and the only difference between men and other living creatures on earth, is we are created souls in the image of God with intelligence lightened by Christ. (John 1)
