Wormwood said:
I agree that Calvin was a flawed man and I do not agree with some of his teaching. I also think his actions in the death of his adversary are loathsome. However, David was also a murderer, as was Paul (at least an accomplice to murder). We shouldn't be so quick to throw away a person's life work because of a single act. The fact is, Joyful, we have teachers and that is a good thing. I think that is what people were trying to communicate to you earlier as you were making it sound as if we don't need any teachers at all. The Bible rejects this claim you made. Jesus was not arguing that we don't need teachers. He was saying that his followers should not seek after titles and power over others.
Wormwood,
Paul asked in 2 Corinthians: Don’t you have any, even the least of you, who can judge matters between brothers? Sadly, we don’t today. America has been ripped out from under you and you discuss petty things like Calvin in your blogs as if it is important. Our spiritual judgment is lacking a thousand times over our awareness of the world around us. It makes me sick.
You said, “We shouldn't be so quick to throw away a person's life work because of a single act.” If you’re comfortable with that I guess it works for you. It doesn’t work for me.
You might throw Moses into your list (David and Paul) and possibly others. But if we analyze them, we might find more info. David committed a selfish act and repented, nevertheless he paid dearly for it. Why did God allow this act to go forward? Let’s speculate, Uriah was a Hittite. The Hittites were one of the people in the land that were supposed to be utterly destroyed. Paul was the worst of all. But he repented, then he devoted the rest of his life to serving the LORD and propagating the gospel. These men are examples of the graciousness of our God. Where does John Calvin fit into this? He doesn’t at all. Set aside all of his evil deeds, his non-repentance, his unmitigated unchristlike pride, and what do you see? Look at his demeanor. He’s demonic. But if you’re comfortable with that or don’t agree then by all means, ignore this post.
What was David’s life work? He will have a son on the throne forever. What was Paul’s life work? A large percentage of the New Testament. What was John Calvin’s legacy? An antichrist theological system that has ensnared ten of thousands and more into a mindtrap, masters of Scripture twisting, and liars and deceivers to the max. They plot to takeover non-calvinist congregations by subterfuge, they open churches and say “ya’ll come” without identifying themselves, leaving a stench everywhere they have been just like a slug or snail on the ground.
But let me tell you what I really think and know…or, maybe not yet.
Where has this led to? Well, we can just look at two modern examples. And what will the response be? Why they will parade Jim Baker and Binney Hinn and all the other riffraff out of the closets as if they count for anything at all - because they don’t. As Joy said, when she referred to the Scripture - you will know them by their fruit. I don’t know these men or anyone like them. They are all on the same pathway.
Mark Driscoll, (calvinist) isn’t he the one who erected a tent on his church roof for he and his wife to fornicate in?
Rick Warren (calvinist) … oh, where does a person start and end … the purpose driven antichrist.
2 Peter 2King James Version (KJV)
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
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