The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

[ewq1938]

Sorry friend, i dont debate anymore.

Except you do as seen in the rest of your post:

You may believe how you will its fine. I trust what the revelation of Jesus Christ states in Revelation. All the best to you, and may you be encouraged to seek truth. Its impartive these days. If we still live in Jesus time, do you remeber he said he would raise those of unbelief, and those of faith? Resurrection of condemnation, and resurrection of lifr. There has to be some merit to that, ewq. No hatred, just sincerity of the heart. We can agree to disagree.

What I present cannot be disagreed with, only avoided and ignored.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.



The way to destruction is wide and the majority will be destroyed. Only a minority will find the way to life.

 

[MatthewG]

ewq,

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I love my universal believer brothers and sisters, i dont agree though. Hope you will take time to see why it is that I do not. Should hsve shared earlier.

Jesus is the only way. I believe you are right about that.

 

[PinSeeker]

Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge of good equally along with evil.

Ah, "knowledge." Such a misunderstood term in the context of the Hebrew of the Old Testament and the Greek of the New... It would be helpful to see "knowledge" in the same light as "intimately acquainted with." Before the Fall of Genesis 3, Adam, having been created in the image of God, was only acquainted, even intimately so, with good and not evil. And God warned Adam not to sin, but he did it anyway ~ he disobeyed God ~ and then came to know evil and fell into a state at enmity with God. And this state was bequeathed to all who have come after, the entire human race.

The term innocence cannot apply.

Before the Fall, there was no sin. Man ~ Adam, and all who would come after ~ was innocent of any wrongdoing before God.

It was more ignorance rather than anything we can comprehend.

Adam was well aware of what God told him in Genesis 2:17. And presumably Eve, too, because Adam obviously ~ as we can easily deduce from Eve's conversation with Satan early in Genesis 3 ~ informed her. Eve repeated to Satan what God had told Adam in Genesis 2:17 (and Adam was right there with her).

Evidently, Eve should not have even been allowed to look at the tree. Adam should have placed a box over it.

LOL!!! Well maybe so. LOL!!! But, presumably Eve knew God's command to Adam, because she repeated to Satan what God had told Adam in Genesis 2:17. But Satan deceived her into thinking otherwise, saying that God only told Adam that they would be like God, rather than dying.

Yet most don't even acknowledge that there were other sons of God scattered across the earth.

Do you think there were others besides Adam and Eve on the face of the earth at the time of the Fall of Genesis 3, Timtofly? Even though, as we clearly see in Genesis 3:20, that Eve was the mother of all the living?

What Adam was put in charge of would effect many beings.

Well, sure. Adam was the federal head of the human race. As we see, at the very least, from what Paul says in Romans 5:12-21.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Timtofly]

Eve repeated to Satan what God had told Adam in Genesis 2:17 (and Adam was right there with her).

"neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die"

God did not say that.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

God said that.

Eve was the mother of all the living?

The first lie out of a sinners mouth.

"And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living."

That is what the word means. She was hardly the mother of every living creature. She was the mother of every living sinner.

Adam did not even name her until they were both sinners. Prior to death she was just the woman. Eve was the mother of all the dead. Eve was not the mother of all the sons of God. They had already multiplied on the earth before Eve was separated from Adam.

Yes on the 6th day God created multiple sons of God all in God's image. All like Adam before he was placed in the Garden.

Adam lost the leadership role, and we don't know anything about Adam after being banned from the Garden. Not even a man of faith. Shem was the type of Christ via the order of Melchizedek. Then Abraham was given that role of leadership. That was passed on to spiritual Israel. Then the church took up the responsibility of obedience to God through faith. It was every person who accepted the second birth who was to lead by example.

 

[PinSeeker]

"neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die"

God did not say that.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

God said that.

Well, Eve was repeating what God said in your first instance there: "And the woman said to the serpent, 'We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'" She was obviously aware... made aware by Adam, presumably... that God said, as we read in Genesis 2:16-17, "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, 'You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.'" Insofar as that, Eve was not mistaken. It is interesting that she added the thing about touching it, though.

She was hardly the mother of every living creature. She was the mother of every living sinner.

Right, well, every human being. She was our first mother. Of course. Every living creature? LOL! Goodness gracious.

Eve was not the mother of all the sons of God. They had already multiplied on the earth before Eve was separated from Adam. Yes on the 6th day God created multiple sons of God all in God's image. All like Adam before he was placed in the Garden. Adam lost the leadership role...

Not sure where you get that crazy idea...

, and we don't know anything about Adam after being banned from the Garden.

Actually, we do, beginning in Genesis 4. Not much, but enough to know that he had sons and presumably taught them to worship the Lord and make offerings to him. So, we cannot say he was not a man of faith; I think he lived out his days believing God, and I think we'll see him in glory. And Eve. I suppose you're going to want to argue about that now...

Shem was the type of Christ via the order of Melchizedek.

Disagree. Not sure where you get an idea like that, either... and I'm not interested in finding out.

Then Abraham was given that role of leadership. That was passed on to spiritual Israel. Then the church took up the responsibility of obedience to God through faith. It was every person who accepted the second birth who was to lead by example.

Ugh. Well, I don't TOTALLY disagree...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Timtofly]

Right, well, every human being. She was our first mother. Of course. Every living creature? LOL! Goodness gracious.

No she was not. The sons of God were already spreading across the earth. She was only the mother of those born from the daughters who procreated with the sons of God.

One could also say that Noah's wife was the mother of all living except for her sons three wives. We don't know if any of those wives were not from Eve. We are never told. We just assume everything.

Eve was the mother of all dead flesh.

 

[PinSeeker]

No she was not.

Yep. "The man..." (Adam) "...called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living." This is Genesis 3:20. Moses, inspired by the Holy Spirit, does not say there (or anywhere else), "The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living except the ones already living..." LOL!

The sons of God were already spreading across the earth.

Perhaps you're talking about the Nephilim, but they're not mentioned until Genesis 6, in the days of Noah.

One could also say that Noah's wife was the mother of all living except for her sons three wives.

Well, one could say anything, but saying this in particular would be quite ridiculous, because there were obviously a lot of folks ~ evil folks ~ walking the earth in Noah's and his wife's days, people who were washed away in the flood along with every other living thing not on the ark... LOL!

We just assume everything.

Yeah, not a good idea.

Eve was the mother of all dead flesh.

Well, sure, the natural state of all human beings ~ from birth, but it may not remain the case ~ is to be dead in his/her sin... at enmity with God.

Wow.

Grace and peace to you, Timtofly.

 

[Timtofly]

Yep. "The man..." (Adam) "...called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living." This is Genesis 3:20. Moses, inspired by the Holy Spirit, does not say there (or anywhere else), "The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living except the ones already living..." LOL!

God was not setting a precedent through Moses via the Holy Spirit.

Adam was a boasting proud sinner just declaring the proud fact he and his wife brought death and sin into the world. That is really not something to celebrate.

God was just pointing out Adam's reaction, no holds barred.

Satan rebelled. Should that be an example for all to live by, just because it is mentioned in God's Word?


Adam was boasting and lying, yet he had the free will to do as he pleased, even as a sinner. Adam showed no remorse at all, but instead boasted that he and his wife began a great dynasty.

Not only was Cain of the wicked one. Now Adam and Eve were also of that wicked one.

They were not the only humans. There were a multitude of sons of God not directly affected until Adam and Eve started having daughters and granddaughters hundreds of years later. Adam and Eve had to wait at least 100 years before Seth was born. Then Seth had to wait until his sister was born. You don't think Seth had offspring with Eve did you?

You claim Adam and Eve were the only humans, then you expect that Seth married whom? The sons of God left those sinners alone for many generations. Not sure why that is so difficult? The sons of God were the men of renown, while sinful Adam and Eve were playing catch up in bodies of death. It was not until Noah's generation, that the sons of God even paid attention to those daughters. Perhaps sin started to look more intriguing by that point.

 

[Timtofly]

Well, sure, the natural state of all human beings ~ from birth, but it may not remain the case ~ is to be dead in his/her sin... at enmity with God.

Wow

Well how were they covered without a law nor the blood of Christ? They just disobeyed God that brought about the need for the Cross in the first place.

The only assurance they had was that someone in their lineage would reverse the process, they set in motion.

 

[PinSeeker]

God was not setting a precedent through Moses via the Holy Spirit.

LOL! I don't even know what this means... Moses wrote the Pentateuch, but as we know, all Scripture is God-breathed, meaning it's writing was inspired by and superintended by God via His Holy Spirit. You know, I keep saying it, but, well, goodness gracious. LOL!

Adam was a boasting proud sinner just declaring the proud fact he and his wife brought death and sin into the world. That is really not something to celebrate.

God was just pointing out Adam's reaction, no holds barred.

Satan rebelled. Should that be an example for all to live by, just because it is mentioned in God's Word?

Adam was boasting and lying, yet he had the free will to do as he pleased, even as a sinner. Adam showed no remorse at all, but instead boasted that he and his wife began a great dynasty.

Not only was Cain of the wicked one. Now Adam and Eve were also of that wicked one.

Yeah, again, to all this, where in the world such a diatribe could come from or what might trigger it... no idea. Adam was not "celebrating" anything. Moses (inspired by the Holy Spirit) was recording, in Genesis 3 what Adam did in response to what had happened, and it has far-reaching implications ~ far beyond merely giving his wife a name ~ for all of humanity to come. The name itself is indicative of that; it is the very reason God included it in His Word. Goodness gracious.

They were not the only humans.

They were. We have nothing ~ no Scripture, either explicit or implicit ~ to indicate otherwise, aside from the fact that in Genesis 1:1, the Holy Spirit starts by saying "In the beginning." Adam was the first human being, and Eve was the second.

There were a multitude of sons of God not directly affected until Adam and Eve started having daughters and granddaughters hundreds of years later. Adam and Eve had to wait at least 100 years before Seth was born. Then Seth had to wait until his sister was born. You don't think Seth had offspring with Eve did you?

You claim Adam and Eve were the only humans, then you expect that Seth married whom? The sons of God left those sinners alone for many generations. Not sure why that is so difficult? The sons of God were the men of renown, while sinful Adam and Eve were playing catch up in bodies of death. It was not until Noah's generation, that the sons of God even paid attention to those daughters. Perhaps sin started to look more intriguing by that point.

Wow. All just stream of consciousness... stuff. Talk about having itching ears and accumulating for the self teachers to suit his/her own passions, and turning away from listening to the truth and wandering off into myths (2 Timothy 4:3-4)... Goodness gracious.

Well how were they covered without a law nor the blood of Christ?

THE LAW
In Romans 5, Paul writes:

"...just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned ~ for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come" (Romans 5:12-14)​

In the last part of that, he's saying that the sins of those who came after Moses did not have the same far-reaching implications for all of mankind that Adam's did; he's not saying, though that their sins were not somehow less serious before a holy God. Aside from that, though, yes, sin was in the world before the Mosaic Law was instituted, and it was not technically reckoned as sin before that time, but Paul does not mean that people were guiltless without the Law, for he already said, in Romans 2:12, that those without the written Law are still judged by God (e.g., many perished in the flood {Genesis 6-9], and many were judged at the tower of Babel [Genesis 11]). So yes, those who did not live under the law were still judged for their sin, since death held sway over them. So from the beginning, God's Law was in full effect.

CHRIST
The first promise of the coming Savior is found just after the fall, even before the consequences of the Fall are given to Adam and Eve, when Moses quotes God, in his judgment upon Satan, says, "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." (Genesis 3:15) So, from the time of the Fall, the blood of Christ was in full effect.

They just disobeyed God that brought about the need for the Cross in the first place.

Agreed.

The only assurance they had was that someone in their lineage would reverse the process, they set in motion.

Agreed. And God was not surprised. This was His plan from and for all humanity.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Timtofly]

They were. We have nothing ~ no Scripture, either explicit or implicit ~ to indicate otherwise, aside from the fact that in Genesis 1:1, the Holy Spirit starts by saying "In the beginning." Adam was the first human being, and Eve was the second.

What verse claims this?

Eve was not even created, much less on the 6th day.

The name Eve means that. Does not mean Adam was telling the truth. The first words of a boasting sinner. God put details about Cain killing Abel. That does not mean that killing is inspired by God. In God's Word, we get the bad with the good.

 

[PinSeeker]

What verse claims this?

Claims what, Timtofly? That they were the only humans? When God created man, Adam was the first man created, in the beginning (Genesis 1:1), on the sixth day of His creative act (Genesis 1:26-27). And then we see that God created Eve, in Genesis 2, from Adam. As I said, there is nothing in all of Scripture that indicates implicitly or explicitly that any human being existed at the time Adam and then Eve were created.

Eve was not even created, much less on the 6th day.

Disagree. Genesis 2 is a zooming in on the sixth day of God's creative act. The leading sentence of the account of the day, Genesis 2:5-6, tells us that: "When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up ~ for the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, and a mist was going up from the land and was watering the whole face of the ground..." God had already created the animals earlier that same day (Genesis 1:20-24).

The name Eve means that. Does not mean Adam was telling the truth. The first words of a boasting sinner.

God put details about Cain killing Abel. That does not mean that killing is inspired by God.

LOL! No, it sure doesn't... LOL! But Moses's accounting of that particular event and many others was... inspired ~ breathed in ~ by God, and thus a part of His infallible, inerrant Word. Goodness gracious.

In God's Word, we get the bad with the good.

Yes, we do. And...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Timtofly]

Claims what, Timtofly? That they were the only humans? When God created man, Adam was the first man created, in the beginning (Genesis 1:1), on the sixth day of His creative act (Genesis 1:26-27). And then we see that God created Eve, in Genesis 2, from Adam. As I said, there is nothing in all of Scripture that indicates implicitly or explicitly that any human being existed at the time Adam and then Eve were created.

Because them is always more than him.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it."

"Them" created on the 6th day multiplied many generations, before God planted the Garden of Eden.

 

[PinSeeker]

Because them is always more than him.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it."

Yes, God was saying he was going to create all humans in His image. And He started small on the sixth day, two total, one male and the other female.

"Them" created on the 6th day multiplied many generations, before God planted the Garden of Eden.

Absolutely not. See above. Goodness gracious.

You're all the way out there, man, I'll give you "credit" for that... LOL!!!

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes, God was saying he was going to create all humans in His image. And He started small on the sixth day, two total, one male and the other female

Seems I am the only one true to God's Word. Every one else is way out there in Satan's deception.

Eve did not exist on the 6th Day. God does not start out small. Even you all Amil think the number 144k represents the entire church body from Adam on. Perhaps there were 1200 created on the 6th day. Or 144k?

God starts the Tribulation with 144k sealed individuals and that number grows throughout the tribulation.

Perhaps God started with just 2 lights in the sky then, and every time a human was born added a star into the sky? Why would God start out big with everything, and then you think God only created 1 single human?

On the day (singular) of creation, God watched many generations thrive on earth. How does multiple generations thrive in 24 hours?

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

Is this merely symbolic to you? Did one singular man just represent many generations? Or does the term in Genesis 1:26-27 literally mean many. Mankind in general instead of a single person who could not even procreate unless both genders were in a single body. How many times did Adam multiply before God decided to seperate the woman from the man who was both male and female?

So many are stuck in evolution that they think that for millions of years there was just one male dividing into a host of other humans and thus we get a subdued earth?

It is not way out there to think that corporate humankind existed and filled the earth prior to God placing one of them into a Garden God just declared as solely for that single representive to live in and be God's caretaker of these two trees that God placed specifically in this Garden.

The NT never states that by one single man all humankind came into existence.

Paul says it was by one man, sin entered the world. How have we been so far removed from the reality of God's Word to think God started humankind with just 1 individual?

Luke 2:38

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Is this symbolic or literal? Was Adam the sole son of God? Was Adam a son of God? Were there not many sons of God created on the 6th day. We just know the most infamous son of God. Then we are told that Jesus was the only begotten son of God. Because all the other sons of God were created, not begotten. Then people immediately assume Adam was the only created son of God. Being a son of God is merely being one of those designated as adamkind or humankind. We are all adam because that is the transliterated Hebrew word for mankind. So all adamites were sons of God in a corporate sense.

Out of all the sons of God, only Adam and Eve were in a state of physical death. They no longer had a permanent incorruptible physical body. They now had temporal corruptible bodies of dead flesh.


Eventually that dead flesh became appealing to the other sons of God generations removed from those created on the 6th day. How long after Seth was born was Noah born? That is the time the sons of God also had many generations of offspring. But you cannot view these sons of God as fallen humanity, when Adam disobeyed. They were the original humans though. Adam was originally a son of God, created in God's direct image. When Seth was born, he was born in Adam's dead corruptible flesh image. That is direct from God's Word.

"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"

God now makes a distinction between Adam and those sons of God created on the 6th day. Adam was no longer in the image God created him in. Man called the sons of God were still in God's image. Now we see that Seth passed on Adam's image, not God’s image as a son of God. Seth was that first dead flesh image of Adam and Eve, thus only the first of all living whom Eve was the mother of in her now sinful state. Eve was the mother of all dead flesh, literally through Seth and and offspring born after Seth.

So the distinction is made in Genesis from that point on that humans were in Adam's dead flesh, and the sons of God were still in God's image. But the offspring between the sons of God and Adam's offspring are those who became exceedingly sinful to the point that in Noah's generation, not prior generations, but that particular generation and on, that only sinful Noah in a state of death, was more righteous than any other individual on earth of that generation and on for 500 years. In fact Noah did not even have offspring until he was 500 years old. All he saw in his generation was evil continually.

So yes, you taking a statement from a proud boastful sinner who just broke the only law, and plunged his offspring into an everlasting state of death, and you now claim that phrase was inspired of God, wherein you form a doctrine of man stating Eve was the only one responsible for all other humans being born, is foolishness. There were multitudes of sons of God, men of renown hundreds of years and many generations before Adam even gave that name to his wife, after the two of them were sinners. God told Moses what to write down, and this was an example of Adam's arrogance. Then your human doctrine declares that no one could have existed prior to Adam and Eve based on this arrogance. Thus all other Scripture is interpreted with this doctrinal bias, born of arrogance.

 

[PinSeeker]

Seems I am the only one true to God's Word. Every one else is way out there in Satan's deception.

I'm... well aware of your opinion. And apparent narcissism.

So long, Timtofly. It's been... interesting... Grace and peace to you.

 

[covenantee]

Seems I am the only one true to God's Word. Every one else is way out there in Satan's deception.

No cult ever said it better.

Proverbs 14:12 NASB
There is a way which seems right to a person, But its end is the way of death.

 

[rwb]

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

So, what Paul (I believe he wrote Hebrews) said in verses 4-6 strongly implies that it's possible for someone who has been saved (only saved people are "made partakers of the Holy Ghost" and have repented) to fall away. But, then he said a few verses later that he was "persuaded better things of" those he was writing to.

You're assuming Paul implies something he did not. He begins saying "it is IMPOSSIBLE", not that it might be possible. Some who have every appearance of being eternally secure in Christ have and shall fall away. Not because the Spirit abandoned them, but because they never possessed the Spirit. Remember, it is the Spirit that gives life, the flesh profits nothing.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Peter 3:18 (KJV) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Once the Spirit has been given, we are promised the Spirit will never leave us. If the life-giving Spirit shall never leave us, how could we who have truly been eternally born again of the Spirit ever fall away from Christ? The Spirit sent from Christ will be with us until we are physically raised to immortality and incorruption.

John 14:16 (KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Ephesians 1:13-14 (KJV) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

There are both wheat and tares, sheep and goats, believers and unbelievers, Scripture is replete with warnings. In addition we read of the many who shall be standing before the judgment throne of God believing they were of Christ because of how good they appeared. Sadly, they will hear, "I never knew you." No, we must not be presumptuous with our inheritance in Christ, which is why we are warned to examine ourselves, and to try the spirits that seem to be of Christ not being deceived or deceiving ourselves.

 

[rwb]

One does not fall away from what one has only heard.

One falls away from what one has experienced.

Hebrews 6:6 Greek

3895 [e]
parapesontas
παραπεσόντας —
having fallen away
V-APA-AMP

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Strong's Concordance parapiptó: to fall in, into or away, to fail Original Word: παραπίπτω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: parapiptó Phonetic Spelling: (par-ap-ip'-to) Definition: to fall in, into or away, to fail Usage: I fall away, fall back (into the unbelieving and godless ways of the old time). HELPS Word-studies 3895parapíptō (from 3844/pará, "from close-beside" and 4098/píptō, "to fall") – properly, fall away, after being close-beside; to defect (abandon). 3895/parapíptō ("fallen from a close position") refers to a close-follower of Christ who becomes a defector. It suggests this person (at least at one time) was a believer (note the para). 3895 (parapíptō) is only used in Heb 6:6. to fall away (from the true faith): from the worship of Jehovah, Ezekiel 14:13; Ezekiel 15:8 (for מָעַל); from Christianity, Hebrews 6:6.​

Does not the passage tell us "it is impossible"? If it were possible for those who have been eternally born again of the Spirit, it would be impossible for them to be saved. If this were true, who could be eternally saved?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What verse claims this?

Eve was not even created, much less on the 6th day.

You are so deceived. You are completely lacking in discernment. I mean completely. You couldn't be more clueless if you tried. Ask God for wisdom because you currently have none at all (James 1:5-7).

Try telling Paul that Eve was not created if you ever see him some day.

1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.