The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus

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@rwb Further to our discussion you have shown me you are yet to understand the Power of the Gospel.

Look at the basis of Son-ship and Life to which Christ received of God.

the gospel he (God) promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 1:2-3

The Power here must be the new quality of life Jesus received after his resurrection! To say otherwise totally removes the Power of the resurrection.

Let's test this shall we?

I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, Phil 3:10

So once again, to say one believes a person has immortality, or even eternal life, prior to this resurrection is a false teaching!

You say the resurrection has no power!

Was Christ fully dead? If not, then no power!

If so, by the resurrection he has become a life-giving spirit

So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living person”; the last Adam BECAME a life-giving spirit. (i.e by resurrection from the dead)

But Paul says more, namely, "of the dead", suggesting that Christ is the forerunner of others in this transformation (read 1 Corinthians 15:20,21).

The firstfruits of them that sleep!

Jesus Christ was the first from among the dead (“them that slept”) to rise again and that many more will yet be resurrected.

This knowledge for you should be transformative!

However, I perceive you will reject the Power of his resurrection for some other gospel teaching.

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So back to Josephus and his beliefs; we can conclude Jesus is dealing with Pharisaic beliefs in Luke 16:19!! Note those words “for a chaos deep and large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted, nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to attempt it, pass over it.”

There is no such place, but the Jews (Pharisees) held these false teachings having been influenced by the philosophy of their time. Once this key is obtained the parable starts to make sense.

For those following this thread, the Parable is concerned with this matter of COMPASSION which is EXACTLY the point Jesus made.

Luke.16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

That is exactly the issue. Jesus' words in Luke 16 - the Pharisees understanding of this parable and Josephus' own words are too close to be co-incidental. This settled, we can now correctly interpret the parable.

Also, its taught that Abraham is asleep, dust awaiting the promise and perfection! Heb.11:39-40:

Heb 11:39 “And these all (Abraham etc), having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 “God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”


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So having determined this parable is based NOT on fact, but on the Pharisees own belief. We find in Luke 16:19 Jesus using there own teaching to show them, that they stood condemned even by their own teaching!

Just imagine how Jesus today could do the same of Christianity?

That must be confronting on some level.
 

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In the ultimate sense she was, though he was resurrected he is now dead, in the grave like David, and all those faithful awaiting the resurrection to life - Lazarus did not receive that resurrection to eternal life!!...otherwise he would be eternal now! And he is not!

Yes, Lazarus is now physically dead, because all are ordained to die PHYSICALLY! So why did Christ add, "AND, whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" Why would Christ say this knowing full well that Lazarus was resurrected mortal and corruptible, and that he, like all men would die? Because the part of Lazarus that gave him the breath of life, his spirit, would live on after his body died. Every Old Covenant faithful saint, Noah, Moses, Abrham, Isaac, Jacob, David etc. "these all died in faith not having received the promises". What promises do you think they died without? For one the promise of immortal & incorruptible physical life from the dead which none shall have until the last trumpet sounds. They also died knowing their physical deaths would not be the end for them. They died knowing the place they desired was better than any place on this earth. The place they desired is an heavenly place, not a physical land on this earth. Their desire was for something far better. Because the city they desired is prepared for them in heaven. They knew and believed that when the promised Messiah came, He would raise them from death spiritually, and as living (spirit) soul they would go with the Messiah to heaven. To the city of the living God!

Hebrews 11:13-16 (KJV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Abraham had received the promises from God when He told him, "That in Isaac shall they seed be called: ACCOUNTING THAT GOD WAS ABLE TO RAISE UP, EVEN FROM THE DEAD". Though these OC saints are physically dead and buried, still waiting, like all saints are, for a resurrected immortal & incorruptible body, they ascended with Christ a spiritual body after Christ resurrected from the dead. Just as He promised! Death cannot hold those who believe because Christ defeated death by His cross and resurrection.

Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Hebrews 11:39-40 (KJV) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 12:28-29 (KJV) Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.

Before ascending to heaven, Christ first descended to those Old Covenant captives of death, and as spirits they ascended with Christ to heaven. This is why the Old Covenant faithful saints, like Christ's parable speaks of were separated when they physically died. And are said to have been carried to Abrham's bosom by the angels of God. While the rich man is simply dead and buried in the place of the dead called the grave. The spirits of Old Covenant saints were preserved alive by God, then sealed by Christ's Spirit and ascended spiritually with Christ to heaven. (You can read of their sealing in Rev 7, the faithful remnant of Old, 144,000)

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
 

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So you believe "I am the life, the resurrection and the life?"
I Understand your error

Resurrection comes after one dies. That's why in life man must have part in Christ's resurrection to have eternal spiritual life through His Spirit in us. Only those who have partaken of the resurrection life of Christ before they die, will ascend to heaven a spiritual body (living soul) after physical death.
 
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Why would you quote a verse that teaches you the Word that quickens your life will happen at the last day? Time and time again, you keep putting up verses that teach you there is a day when the dead will rise and immortality/eternal life is granted?

So what is "the last day"?

The context is far to rigid for you to deny!

Its the day of resurrectional judgment, no way around it!

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

Note how its the person being referenced and not some lifeless corpse!

For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him [on] the last day.”

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day
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All applies to those who truly and fully believe will he raised up people to eternal life "at the last day".

Hope that helps

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The problem you have that is keeping you from understanding how whosoever lives and believes shall NEVER die, is that your focus is only on the physical part of man. You have no understanding of how man is only physically alive through spirit. That is the breath of life every man is born with unless of course they are born dead. The spirit in man, giving his body life, is only spiritually alive through the power of the Holy Spirit when they are born again from above.

Man's body becomes a lifeless corpse AFTER the spirit (breath of life) departs from them. That spirit then returns to God who gave it just as Ecc 12:7 shows us. The question to be considered is will man's spirit return with eternal life through Christ's Spirit within, or will man's spirit return to God without the Spirit sent from Christ, and therefore return to God without life?
 

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So back to Josephus and his beliefs; we can conclude Jesus is dealing with Pharisaic beliefs in Luke 16:19!! Note those words “for a chaos deep and large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted, nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to attempt it, pass over it.”

There is no such place, but the Jews (Pharisees) held these false teachings having been influenced by the philosophy of their time. Once this key is obtained the parable starts to make sense.

For those following this thread, the Parable is concerned with this matter of COMPASSION which is EXACTLY the point Jesus made.

Luke.16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

That is exactly the issue. Jesus' words in Luke 16 - the Pharisees understanding of this parable and Josephus' own words are too close to be co-incidental. This settled, we can now correctly interpret the parable.

Also, its taught that Abraham is asleep, dust awaiting the promise and perfection! Heb.11:39-40:

Heb 11:39 “And these all (Abraham etc), having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 “God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”


F2F

And what Josephus or any unbeliever believes matters because?
 

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@rwb Further to our discussion you have shown me you are yet to understand the Power of the Gospel.

Look at the basis of Son-ship and Life to which Christ received of God.

the gospel he (God) promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 1:2-3

The Power here must be the new quality of life Jesus received after his resurrection! To say otherwise totally removes the Power of the resurrection.

Let's test this shall we?

I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, Phil 3:10

So once again, to say one believes a person has immortality, or even eternal life, prior to this resurrection is a false teaching!

You say the resurrection has no power!

Was Christ fully dead? If not, then no power!

If so, by the resurrection he has become a life-giving spirit

So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living person”; the last Adam BECAME a life-giving spirit. (i.e by resurrection from the dead)

But Paul says more, namely, "of the dead", suggesting that Christ is the forerunner of others in this transformation (read 1 Corinthians 15:20,21).

The firstfruits of them that sleep!

Jesus Christ was the first from among the dead (“them that slept”) to rise again and that many more will yet be resurrected.

This knowledge for you should be transformative!

However, I perceive you will reject the Power of his resurrection for some other gospel teaching.

F2F

The Gospel proclaimed in the power of the Spirit is ETERNAL LIFE to whosoever believes. This means that we should look at physical death in the same way Isaac did when he was called to give his son a sacrifice unto God. Isaac obeyed God remembering the promise that through his son the Seed (Christ) of promise would come, therefore even though Isaac would die, God would raise him to life again. That's the same promise all mankind might possess. Because when we have eternal spiritual life through Christ's resurrection life, we shall NEVER spiritually die! And when our physical body does indeed die, Christ's Spirit within us will carry us to heaven to be with the spirits of just men made perfect already there.
 

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Yes, Lazarus is now physically dead, because all are ordained to die PHYSICALLY! So why did Christ add, "AND, whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" Why would Christ say this knowing full well that Lazarus was resurrected mortal and corruptible, and that he, like all men would die? Because the part of Lazarus that gave him the breath of life, his spirit, would live on after his body died. Every Old Covenant faithful saint, Noah, Moses, Abrham, Isaac, Jacob, David etc. "these all died in faith not having received the promises". What promises do you think they died without? For one the promise of immortal & incorruptible physical life from the dead which none shall have until the last trumpet sounds. They also died knowing their physical deaths would not be the end for them. They died knowing the place they desired was better than any place on this earth. The place they desired is an heavenly place, not a physical land on this earth. Their desire was for something far better. Because the city they desired is prepared for them in heaven. They knew and believed that when the promised Messiah came, He would raise them from death spiritually, and as living (spirit) soul they would go with the Messiah to heaven. To the city of the living God!

Hebrews 11:13-16 (KJV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Abraham had received the promises from God when He told him, "That in Isaac shall they seed be called: ACCOUNTING THAT GOD WAS ABLE TO RAISE UP, EVEN FROM THE DEAD". Though these OC saints are physically dead and buried, still waiting, like all saints are, for a resurrected immortal & incorruptible body, they ascended with Christ a spiritual body after Christ resurrected from the dead. Just as He promised! Death cannot hold those who believe because Christ defeated death by His cross and resurrection.

Hebrews 11:17-19 (KJV) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Hebrews 11:39-40 (KJV) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 12:28-29 (KJV) Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.

Before ascending to heaven, Christ first descended to those Old Covenant captives of death, and as spirits they ascended with Christ to heaven. This is why the Old Covenant faithful saints, like Christ's parable speaks of were separated when they physically died. And are said to have been carried to Abrham's bosom by the angels of God. While the rich man is simply dead and buried in the place of the dead called the grave. The spirits of Old Covenant saints were preserved alive by God, then sealed by Christ's Spirit and ascended spiritually with Christ to heaven. (You can read of their sealing in Rev 7, the faithful remnant of Old, 144,000)

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
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The problem you have that is keeping you from understanding how whosoever lives and believes shall NEVER die, is that your focus is only on the physical part of man. You have no understanding of how man is only physically alive through spirit. That is the breath of life every man is born with unless of course they are born dead. The spirit in man, giving his body life, is only spiritually alive through the power of the Holy Spirit when they are born again from above.

Man's body becomes a lifeless corpse AFTER the spirit (breath of life) departs from them. That spirit then returns to God who gave it just as Ecc 12:7 shows us. The question to be considered is will man's spirit return with eternal life through Christ's Spirit within, or will man's spirit return to God without the Spirit sent from Christ, and therefore return to God without life?
The Spirit in that context is just breathe...that's all!
 

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Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
I'll deal with this part as Hebrews 11 has been clearly interpreted. What you present here is new.

I know what you are trying to force on the word spirits here!

Context is seen in verse 9

Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh (natural) which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, (spiritual) and live?

Here the "spirit" is used to distinguish from the "flesh"; the spiritual life of a believer is contrasted with the "fleshly" lives of all men. Nothing here need suggest any disembodied "spirits" or "immortal souls"!

"Made perfect" recalls Heb 11:40, which is the promise that all men and women of faith will be granted immortality together, and at the same time ie - when Christ returns.

rwb, you will constantly fail to force immortality in any shape of form prior to the resurrection and judgement. Yes, we all have Spiritual lives - the Word of God is the very thing which enlightens the mind, but this is not immortality which relates to nature, a change, at a future time when the faithful are raised and changed.

Have you noticed again, I'm having to provide you the correct context.

How long will you persist?

Hebrews 12:28-29 (KJV) Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.

Yes its a quotation from Deu 4:24 (see also Deu 9:9)

Before ascending to heaven, Christ first descended to those Old Covenant captives of death, and as spirits they ascended with Christ to heaven.

Ha lol! Show us where in the Bible that is taught - someone sold you a furphy!

This is why the Old Covenant faithful saints, like Christ's parable speaks of were separated when they physically died. And are said to have been carried to Abrham's bosom by the angels of God. While the rich man is simply dead and buried in the place of the dead called the grave. The spirits of Old Covenant saints were preserved alive by God, then sealed by Christ's Spirit and ascended spiritually with Christ to heaven. (You can read of their sealing in Rev 7, the faithful remnant of Old, 144,000)

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
You really make a mess of Scripture rwb!

So this is quoted from Psa 68:18.

Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: Thou hast received gifts for men; Yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord GOD might dwell among them. (note the outcome - God may live among them i.e resurrection to live on earth! God / Christ receiving gifts from men on earth!)

Now Christ did this rwb, through his death! by destroying the devil (the power of sin) and by becoming the first-fruits of the dead as per the following verses:

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. (all others still sleep!) 1 Cor 15:20

And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:18

So it is true Jesus has the keys to unlock death & the grave and release those who are asleep in him!

and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades (grave). Rev 1:18

So I'm almost positive you can now see how Christ took captivity captive and its not taken everyone to Heaven!

Read Hebrew 2:14-17

Now since the children share in blood and flesh, he (Jesus) likewise shared in them, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil (sin personified!), and free those who through fear of death had been subject to slavery all their life. Heb 2:14

They are only freed by faith rwb, that's why Paul in Romans 8 talks about those who live by the spirit and not the flesh! Christ will lead those who are faithful to him, bringing them into his life and receiving his reward!!!

For you have died (through baptism, faith etc.), and your life is hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:3 (as is all the faithful)

So when Christ returns, he will bring that promised life with him, by resurrecting all those who sleep in the earth.

Its the Gospel according to 1 Peter 1:4-5 right?

to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you,

I hear you ask "when is this promised inheritence given to the saints?"


who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Ah, so we have come full circle rwb, "last day" = "Last time" (future)...not now!

Immortality and eternal life is reserved for those who by faith will inherit it.

Nothing in you is eternal! Nothing!

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The Gospel proclaimed in the power of the Spirit is ETERNAL LIFE to whosoever believes.
By faith and by resurrection!

This means that we should look at physical death in the same way Isaac did when he was called to give his son a sacrifice unto God. Isaac obeyed God remembering the promise that through his son the Seed (Christ) of promise would come, therefore even though Isaac would die, God would raise him to life again. That's the same promise all mankind might possess.
Correct its the same as Job who understood he would be granted eternal life via the resurrection: Job 19

For I know that my redeemer lives, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Forgive me if my paitence with you runs low, but I've lost count how many times I've shown you these things happen on a "last day", "latter day" etc.

Because when we have eternal spiritual life through Christ's resurrection life, we shall NEVER spiritually die!
No, if you understand the true Gospel you have the promise of that Spirit - reserved for you in Heaven and will be granted when he appears.
And when our physical body does indeed die, Christ's Spirit within us will carry us to heaven to be with the spirits of just men made perfect already there.
No, you die in faith awaiting God to resurrect you and all those faith yet to receive what has been promised!
 
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The rich man had all good things, Lazarus all bad things, but he turned evil into good, whereas the rich man did nothing but evil of all the good things. Therefore, the justice of God saw that Lazarus receive the reward of Heaven, because he loved Him and his neighbor, and the rich man suffering in Hell.

Do not hate, never, for any reason, whatsoever. Hatred is strong in the world, but it always has a limit. Love has no limit of power or time. Love therefore, to possess love, as a defense and comfort on the earth, and as a reward in Heaven. It is better to be Lazarus than the rich man. Believe that and you will be blessed. That's Jesus's meaning of the parable.

"who [God] will repay each person according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life; but to those who are self-serving and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give wrath and indignation." (Rom. 2:6-8)
 

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"who [God] will repay each person according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life; but to those who are self-serving and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give wrath and indignation." (Rom. 2:6-8)
Notice the probation we live in?
We seek for glory, honor and immortality!
At the resurrection & judgement "He will give eternal life" to those who have sought to glorify God and Jesus in this life, as you have said.
Amen.
 
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Notice the probation we live in?
We seek for glory, honor and immortality!
At the resurrection & judgement "He will give eternal life" to those who have sought to glorify God and Jesus in this life, as you have said.
Amen.

The point of Rom. 2:6-8 is that it supports the meaning of the parable I explained.
 
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@rwb how did you go with post #272 - did you get the correct context of Hebrews 12?
 

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Let's get back on Topic....

The Story in Detail.... So who was Lazarus?
The story of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable
(Matthew 13:34). Once this is recognized the interpretation behind the narrative can become quite meaningful. It is also very important to note the context in which the parable is found. There was a reason why Christ spoke this parable at that time. Christ had just given His teaching about the unjust steward who had mishandled his master’s money (Luke 16:1–13). This parable was told to further illustrate what proper stewardship is.

Let us first consider the identification of Lazarus. This is the only time in Christ’s parables that a person’s name is used. Some have imagined that this use of a personal name precludes the story being a parable. But this is hardly true. The name "Lazarus" is a transliteration of the Hebrew "Eleazar" (which means "God has helped"). The name was a common Hebrew word used for eleven different persons in the Old Testament.

When one analyzes the parable, this Eleazar can be identified. He was one who must have had some kind of affinity with Abraham (or the Abrahamic covenant), for the parable places him in Abraham’s bosom after death. But he was probably a Gentile. The phrase "desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table" was typical of Gentile identification (see Matthew 15:22–28). Even the phrase "laid at his gate" is reminiscent of the normal one used by Jews to denote the Gentile proselyte "Proselyte of the Gate." This Eleazar must also have been associated with stewardship because Christ gave the parable precisely for the reason of explaining what represents the true steward.

There was only one Eleazar in the historical part of the Bible that fits the description. He was a person associated with Abraham, he was a Gentile (not an ethnic part of the Abrahamic family), and a steward. He was Eleazar of Damascus, the chief steward of Abraham.

"And Abram said, ‘Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eleazar [Lazarus] of Damascus and lo, one born in my house is mine heir.’"

Genesis 15:2–3

Long ago it was suggested that the Lazarus of the parable represented the Eleazar associated with Abraham (Geiger, JuJ Zejtschr., 1868, p. 196 sq.), but for some reason very few modern commentators have taken up the identification. But once this simple connection is made, a flood of light emerges on the scene which can interpret the parable with real meaning.

The Lazarus of the parable represented Abraham’s faithful steward Eleazar. And faithful he was! Though he had been the legal heir to receive all of Abraham’s possessions (Genesis 15:3), Abraham gave him an assignment which was to result in his own disinheritance. But the Bible shows he carried out the orders of Abraham in a precise (and faithful) way.

"And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house [Eleazar], that ruled over all that he had, ‘Put, I pray thee, your hand under my thigh: and I will make thee swear by the Lord, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that you shall not take a wife unto my son [Isaac] of the daughters of the Canaanites.’"

Genesis 24:2–3

Eleazar agreed to do what Abraham desired, although the fulfillment of his task meant the complete abandonment of Eleazar’s claim to any of Abraham’s inheritance—both present and future! Each step that Eleazar took northward to procure a wife for Isaac was a step towards his own disqualification. Eleazar recognized this, for he admitted to Laban, Rebecca’s brother, that "unto him [Isaac] hath he [Abraham] given all that he hath" (Genesis 24:36). There was nothing left for him! Thus, Eleazar’s faithfulness to Abraham resulted in his own disinheritance from all the promises of blessing which God had given to Abraham. They were now given to Isaac and his future family. That inheritance included wealth, prestige, power, kingship, priesthood, and the land of Canaan as an "everlasting" possession. But now Eleazar was "cast out." He and his seed would inherit nothing. Thus, the parable calls Lazarus a "beggar" who possessed nothing of earthly worth.
 

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Who Was the Rich Man?​

The Rich Man was an actual son of Abraham. Christ had him calling Abraham his "father" (Luke 16:24) and Abraham acknowledged him as "son" (verse 25). Such sonship made the Rich Man a legal possessor of Abraham’s inheritance. Indeed, the Rich Man had all the physical blessings promised to Abraham’s seed. He wore purple, the symbol of kingship, a sign that the Davidic or Messianic Kingdom was his. He wore linen, the symbol of priesthood, showing that God’s ordained priests and the Temple were his. Who was this Rich Man who possessed these blessings while living on the earth?

The Israelite tribe that finally assumed possession of both the kingdom and priesthood, and the tribe which became the representative one of all the promises given to Abraham, was Judah. There can not be the slightest doubt of this when the whole parable is analyzed. Remember that Judah had "five brothers." The Rich Man also had the same (verse 28).

"The sons of Leah; [1] Reuben; Jacob’s firstborn, and [2] Simeon, and [3] Levi, and Judah, and [4] Issachar, and [5] Zebulun."

Genesis 35:23

"And Leah said ... ‘now will my husband be pleased to dwell with me; for I have born him six sons.’"

Genesis 30:20

Judah and the Rich Man each had "five brethren." Not only that, the five brothers of the parable had in their midst "Moses and the prophets" (verse 29). The people of Judah possessed the "oracles of God" (Romans 3:1–2). Though the Rich Man (Judah) had been given the actual inheritance of Abraham’s blessings (both spiritual and physical), Christ was showing that he had been unfaithful with his responsibilities. When the true inheritance was to be given, Judah was in "hades" and "in torment" while Lazarus (Eleazar, the faithful steward) was now in Abraham’s bosom. He was finally received into the "everlasting habitations" (verse 9).

"A Great Gulf Fixed"​

The parable says that a "great gulf" [Greek: chasm] was fixed between the position of Abraham and Eleazar and that of the Rich Man [Judah]. What was this chasm? The Greek word means a deep ravine or valley — a great canyon with cliffs on each side. Its two sides were also "afar off" from each other (verse 23). It was "a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence" (verse 26). Note the italicized word "pass." In all other occasions of its grammatical use in the New Testament, the word was used to denote a passage over water. And in Greek imagery of the abodes of the dead, there was usually some kind of water barrier between the righteous dead and the wicked — either a river or ocean. This is also represented in Jewish conceptions of the compartments for the dead — "by a chasm, by water, and by light above it" (Enoch, ch. 22).

It was also common for many chasms (those described in Greek literature) to have water in their regions of deepest declivity. Let us now look at such a chasm from a Palestinian point of view. In that environment there is only one possible identification for the "great gulf" of the parable if it is to fit the meaning of the Greek chasm precisely. This would be the great rift valley between the highlands of Trans-Jordan and the hill country of Ephraim in which the River Jordan flows. This fault line is the greatest and longest visible chasm on earth. And what a spectacular sight it is! As one looks over the chasm he sees impressive cliffs on each side, a desert in its wastelands, and the River Jordan meandering in the center.

Identifying the chasm of the parable with the Jordan rift unfolds a beautiful symbolic story well recognized in contemporary Jewish allegorical narratives of the time. In the center of this "gulf" was the River Jordan. It divided the original land of promise given to Abraham from ordinary Gentile lands. The west side of Jordan represented the area that the Bible considered the original Holy Land. As the angel said to Joshua: "Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon stand is holy. And Joshua did so" (Joshua 5:15). When the Israelites finally entered the chasm of the Jordan and crossed the river, they then considered themselves in the Holy Land the land promised to Abraham and his seed!

Entering the land of Canaan (west of Jordan) was also a symbol of final spiritual salvation. The author of Hebrews recognized that Israel’s crossing of the River Jordan under Joshua (and the taking of the land of Canaan) was typical of Christians obtaining their true "rest" in the future Kingdom of God (Hebrews 3:1–4:11). Even American Negro spirituals with which so many of us are familiar ("crossing into Canaan’s land") are reflective of this early symbolic theme.

Recall also that the Rich Man was depicted as being in flames of judgment (verse 24). In this same rift valley were formerly located the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah which were "set forth for an example suffering the vengeance of eternal fire" (Jude 7).

"Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those who should after live ungodly."

2 Peter 2:6

When the allegorical applications are understood, the teaching of the parable becomes simple and instructive. The theme of Christ’s narrative was true stewardship. Though Eleazar [Lazarus], Abraham’s trusted steward, had disinherited himself from earthly rewards by his faithful obedience to Abraham’s wishes, he was later to find himself (after death, when true inheritance comes) in Abraham’s bosom. But the chief representative of Abraham’s actual sons (Judah, the spiritual leader of all the Israelite tribes) remained East of Canaan as far as true inheritance was concerned. He had inherited all the physical blessings while in the flesh, but at death he was not allowed to pass the spiritual Jordan into the final Abrahamic inheritance.

Like Moses, because of rebellion, he was not allowed to pass the "great gulf" to enjoy the land of milk and honey. True enough, Judah had been blessed with the kingship, priesthood, the divine scriptures, the prophets, and other untold blessings, but he was not allowed to enjoy the true spiritual blessings of the future because he was unfaithful with his sonship and was refusing the true message of salvation offered by God’s own Son. Christ said: "Neither will they he persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16:31).

The Final Appraisal​

The only Gospel to carry the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man was Luke who was the companion of Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles. It showed a specific message that Gentiles could now inherit the promises to Abraham provided they were faithful as Eleazar had been. Yet Paul did not want the Gentiles to be conceited in their new relationship with God.

"What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeks for ... God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, ears that they should not hear; unto this day."

Romans 11:8

But "Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid" (verse 11). "Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles [like Lazarus-Eleazar]; how much more their fullness" (verse 12). One of these days, according to Paul, "all Israel shall be saved" (verse 26). God will show mercy on the natural sons of Abraham as He has on faithful Gentile stewards. This shows that the hades, the purple, the linen, the torment, Abraham’s bosom, the great gulf, and even the persons of Lazarus and the Rich Man were all symbolic and not literal. After all, the narrative was a parable.

Summary of the Symbols​

  1. The Lazarus of the parable was Eleazar, Abraham’s steward (Genesis 15:2).
  2. He was a Gentile "of Damascus" ("a proselyte of the gate") who "ate the crumbs."
  3. He was disinherited (to become a beggar) but he remained faithful to Abraham and God.
  4. When this earthly life was over, he received Abraham’s inheritance after all (he was in Abraham’s bosom) — in "everlasting habitations."
  5. The Rich Man of the Parable was Judah. This son of Jacob had five literal brothers as did the Rich Man.
  6. He was also a literal son of Abraham, while Eleazar (Lazarus) was not!
  7. The Rich Man (Judah) also had the kingship (purple) and the priesthood (linen).
  8. Yet Judah (representing God on this earth) was not the true steward of the Abrahamic blessings.
  9. Though he and his literal brothers had been graced with the "oracles of God" (the Old Testament) they would not respond to the One resurrected from the dead (Christ).
  10. The "great gulf" was the Jordan rift valley the dividing line between Gentile lands and the Holy Land of promise (Abraham’s inheritance). Crossing the Jordan was a typical figure recognized by the Jews as a symbol of salvation.
Once these factors are recognized, all the points in the parable (with its context) fit perfectly to give us some simple but profound teachings of Christ. It shows that the physical promises of God (though excellent) are very inferior to the spiritual redemption that anyone (Jew or Gentile) can have in Christ.

OMG... LOL .... I found this in my studies.... so fitting... would to love to give credit to the writer... But it's lost in time.... So sweet... to show us the truth...
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The Story in Detail.... So who was Lazarus?
The story of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable
(Matthew 13:34). Once this is recognized the interpretation behind the narrative can become quite meaningful. It is also very important to note the context in which the parable is found. There was a reason why Christ spoke this parable at that time. Christ had just given His teaching about the unjust steward who had mishandled his master’s money (Luke 16:1–13). This parable was told to further illustrate what proper stewardship is.

Let us first consider the identification of Lazarus. This is the only time in Christ’s parables that a person’s name is used. Some have imagined that this use of a personal name precludes the story being a parable. But this is hardly true. The name "Lazarus" is a transliteration of the Hebrew "Eleazar" (which means "God has helped"). The name was a common Hebrew word used for eleven different persons in the Old Testament.

When one analyzes the parable, this Eleazar can be identified. He was one who must have had some kind of affinity with Abraham (or the Abrahamic covenant), for the parable places him in Abraham’s bosom after death. But he was probably a Gentile. The phrase "desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table" was typical of Gentile identification (see Matthew 15:22–28). Even the phrase "laid at his gate" is reminiscent of the normal one used by Jews to denote the Gentile proselyte "Proselyte of the Gate." This Eleazar must also have been associated with stewardship because Christ gave the parable precisely for the reason of explaining what represents the true steward.

There was only one Eleazar in the historical part of the Bible that fits the description. He was a person associated with Abraham, he was a Gentile (not an ethnic part of the Abrahamic family), and a steward. He was Eleazar of Damascus, the chief steward of Abraham.

"And Abram said, ‘Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eleazar [Lazarus] of Damascus and lo, one born in my house is mine heir.’"

Genesis 15:2–3

Long ago it was suggested that the Lazarus of the parable represented the Eleazar associated with Abraham (Geiger, JuJ Zejtschr., 1868, p. 196 sq.), but for some reason very few modern commentators have taken up the identification. But once this simple connection is made, a flood of light emerges on the scene which can interpret the parable with real meaning.

The Lazarus of the parable represented Abraham’s faithful steward Eleazar. And faithful he was! Though he had been the legal heir to receive all of Abraham’s possessions (Genesis 15:3), Abraham gave him an assignment which was to result in his own disinheritance. But the Bible shows he carried out the orders of Abraham in a precise (and faithful) way.

"And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house [Eleazar], that ruled over all that he had, ‘Put, I pray thee, your hand under my thigh: and I will make thee swear by the Lord, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that you shall not take a wife unto my son [Isaac] of the daughters of the Canaanites.’"

Genesis 24:2–3

Eleazar agreed to do what Abraham desired, although the fulfillment of his task meant the complete abandonment of Eleazar’s claim to any of Abraham’s inheritance—both present and future! Each step that Eleazar took northward to procure a wife for Isaac was a step towards his own disqualification. Eleazar recognized this, for he admitted to Laban, Rebecca’s brother, that "unto him [Isaac] hath he [Abraham] given all that he hath" (Genesis 24:36). There was nothing left for him! Thus, Eleazar’s faithfulness to Abraham resulted in his own disinheritance from all the promises of blessing which God had given to Abraham. They were now given to Isaac and his future family. That inheritance included wealth, prestige, power, kingship, priesthood, and the land of Canaan as an "everlasting" possession. But now Eleazar was "cast out." He and his seed would inherit nothing. Thus, the parable calls Lazarus a "beggar" who possessed nothing of earthly worth.
Pierac
We have ascertained that Abraham's Bosom and its associated doctrines were not those taught and believed upon by true followers of God, but those who were called the circumcision party, namely Judaisers. For this parable to make any sense, one must understand the Lord is using their false teaching to condemn their evil works.
This must be your starting point otherwise you end up making a a real mess of the text! And as we have seen a corruption of other Scripture.
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