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That's a non-answer. If it wasn't for doctrinal bias, I am certain that you would believe that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 would occur when the rapture occurs because it makes perfect sense to believe that Jesus will "be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe" when His saints are gathered to meet Him in the air, after which they will forever be with Him.
Are you saying that you believe 2 Thessalonians 1:10 relates to a pre-trib rapture rather than a post-trib rapture? How many raptures do you think there will be? There will only be one and if you do believe that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 refers to when the one and only rapture occurs, then you should read 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 to see what else will happen on that same day.
Okay, so it turns out that you do agree with me that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 will occur when the rapture occurs. And there will only be one rapture. Do you agree with that? If so, read the following passage...
Define "the Trib" as you understand it exactly. As I just showed you in my previous post, what Paul actually taught is a pre-wrath on the day Christ returns rapture. However you want to put that. You agreed with me that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 refers to the day of the rapture. Well, Paul indicated that 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 will occur on that same day of the rapture and, according to Paul, those verses describes the wrath of Christ on the day He returns, not a 7 year period of tribulation or whatever you think "the Trib" is exactly.
Okay, so compare that to what Paul said will happen on the same day of the rapture in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and see if your understanding matches what he wrote there.
Why are you not addressing my point? You agreed that 2 Thessalonians 1:10 describes what will happen when the rapture occurs, right? So, what else will occur on that day, according to Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9?
This is nothing more than incoherent gibberish (except for the scripture you quoted, of course). Let me help you out here. What Paul indicated will happen on the same day as what he described in verse 10, which you agreed describes what will happen when the rapture occurs, is that Jesus will take vengeance on unbelievers, as he described in verses 7 to 9. Does that match your understanding of what will happen on the day that the rapture occurs? If not, then you need to adjust your understanding accordingly. Don't make this more complicated than it is.
For one things it's 2 Thessalonians 1 and for another thing, what are you talking about? It's addressed to true believers.
No. Did you not even read who Paul said he was addressing the letter to?
What? It says that will happen when He is revealed from heaven. That's a clear reference to His second coming.
Yes, that is referring to the same event which means that Jesus will be coming after the figurative thousand years. To deny that 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 is about the second coming of Christ is ridiculous. And Paul indicates that Jesus taking vengeance on unbelievers happens on the same say that what he described in verse 10 occurs, which you agreed will occur when the rapture occurs. So, you're all over the place on this just because you're trying to keep your pre-trib rapture and premillennialist doctrines afloat.
I'm not trying to talk about what happens to them, but what happens to them at that point is a determining factor in whether the rapture is pre-trib or post-trib. Since Jesus will be taking vengeance on all unbelievers and destroying them when He comes again, that means the rapture has to be post-trib because it does not allow for a 7 year period of tribulation to follow that.
That's very ironic coming from you. You have the most convoluted beliefs of anyone here, except for maybe one or two people.
That's what Paul indicates in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. He very clearly indicates that Christ's vengeance and the rapture (remember, you agreed that verse 10 will occur when the rapture occurs) will occur on the same day. You don't understand these things because you've obviously never studied these scriptures carefully before. For some reason, you base your doctrine on much more difficult to interpret passages in the book of Revelation rather than allowing these more straightforward passages to establish the foundation of your doctrine.
