Hmmmm....some south Pacific island? MY HOUSE is a house of peace and safety. Actually, much of the world has the absense of war right now. Look at it this way? Will there be any time in our future before the millennial reign that we will have more peace than now? LamadENOCH2010 said:Lamad where in world today, is there peace and safety now?
Veteran writes: "that Day of The LORD when Jesus returns and gathers all His saints."veteran said:You don't realize how wrong you are about that. You're clearly not aware where the Heavenly is going to manifest on that day.
I suggest you look at the 1 Thess.4 Scripture again, starting at verse 13.
1Thes 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.
Those asleep saints that have died are already with Him, as per what Paul taught in 1 Cor.5. I do not believe in the literal putting back of one's spirit into the casket. That is why Paul says there our Lord Jesus brings them WITH Him when He returns back to this earth. That is the Matt.24:31 event, the gathering from one end of heaven to the other.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
The actual Greek word there for "prevent" is not that at all. The actual Greek word (phthano) means 'to precede' (i.e., go beforehand). Thus the saints still alive on earth at that event will not 'precede' the alseep saints that are already there with Christ which He is going to bring with Him.
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(KJV)
This event will occur very quickly. Paul in 1 Cor.15 said "at the twinkling of an eye" is how fast it will occur. Those of us still alive on earth at this event will be changed to our spiritual bodies at an instant, fast as one can blink. The idea is that those still alive on earth must also be changed to the same kind of bodies as the asleep saints that have died. The Mark 13:27 parallels this event, the gathering from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. The extremity of Heaven at that time is going to reach all the way down upon the earth with Christ's feet touching down at the Mount of Olivet.
You're terribly wrong about that too.
The time of false "Peace and safety" that Apostle Paul warned us of in 1 Thess.5 is... the great tribulation time. And it comes PRIOR to the time of Christ's coming to gather His Church. To this all of Christ's Apostles agree, including the Old Testament prophets, for they were given quite a bit to write about that Day of The LORD when Jesus returns and gathers all His saints.
In 1 Thess.5, it is "they" who will be saying, "Peace and safety", not those in Christ Jesus. The OT prophets like Daniel prophesied of that time of false peace with a false one coming to destroy many using peace, and making craft prosper in his hand (i.e., the final Antichrist).
As for the events of the 6th Seal, that is a parallel to the events of the 6th and 7th Vials. It's the 5th Seal when the false time of "Peace and safety" will be proclaimed by the deceived, which is PRIOR to the 7th Vial being poured out. That is when many of Christ's faithful will be delivered up and persecuted by those proclaiming peace has come.
On the 6th Vial, Jesus warned His saints still on earth that He comes "as a thief". Then on the 7th Vial, God's cup of wrath is poured out upon the wicked, with the battle of Armageddon taking place. That day of battle is The Day of The LORD when Jesus comes and gathers His and makes war against Satan and his host on earth.
Thus your timeline is NOT from Scripture, but from the false Pre-Trib Rapture theory doctors.
Did you forget this verse that is just the opposite of what you are teaching?
Jude 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Do you understand WITH?
Veteran, how can you hope to teach truth with you start out with error? It is MYTH that Paul's rapture or gathering is inside the Day of the Lord. Take off your preconceived glasses and START OVER with a clean slate! Understand that PAUL ALONE had the revelation of the rapture of the church. You will not find it in the gospels, no matter how hard you look. It is simply not there.
Now go back to 1 Thes. 5, and stay there until you understand it: the suddenly is Paul's rapture. Two groups of people get two separate results at this sudden event of Jesus coming to the clouds and calling up the dead in Christ. First, those living in the light, get "salvation" [rapture] and get to live together with Him [so shall we ever be with the Lord]. At the very same time, those living in darkness get "sudden destruction." These two events are really ONE EVENT: the gathering: it comes when some are saying "peace and safety" and is the TRIGGER for the start of the Day of the Lord. The day comes as a thief because the TRIGGER [Jesus coming to the clouds] comes as a thief. The rapture is not the day, and the Day is not the rapture. They are SEPARATE but back to back, because the rapture begins the day. It is the trigger for the day.
The spirits Jesus brings with him are INCOMPLETE: that is without a body. The resurrected body will fly up out of the grave by the power of the Holy Spirit and the human spirits will once again enter their body and be WHOLE. Why do you think it is written "the graves were opened?" It is where the resurrected body came from.
Now go to Rev. 6 and imagine the rapture as happening the very same instant the earth begins to quake. The dead in Christ have risen and their resurrection CAUSED the great earthquake around the world. It is Paul's "sudden destruction." It is so terrible an earthquake, men on earth recognize it as the SIGN that the DAy of the Lord has begun. ["The day of His wrath has come."]
How then can you believe and teach something so totally contrary to what Paul has written? It is not accident that John saw the raptured church in heaven in the very next chapter. It is PROOF that Paul's rapture has taken place at this time. Yet notice, this point in REvelation is SEVEN LONG YEARS from chapter 19, when Jesus comes on the white horse. Yet you try to twist things so as to make these two comings the SAME coming. It is impossible and does terrible injustice to the Word of God.
Paul's rapture comes FIRST and is the trigger for what follows: the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel. Then, AFTER the 70th week ends with the 7th vial, and then AFTER the marriage and supper, FINALLY Jesus [and the saints - all with resurrection bodies at this time] get on white horses and descend to the battle of armageddon.
Lamad