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ScottA

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There is NO process. Not to salvation.

There is a process of salvation coming to all who are called; there is a process to God revealing everything about salvation; and there is even a process for those born of the spirit of God after they receive salvation. But when salvation comes--THERE IS NO PROCESS--it comes when not expected, and when it does, it comes "in the twinkling of an eye."

That is the reason for all the past tense language use in the scriptures since salvation first came at Pentecost.

The process that does occur is not of salvation occurring, but of the lead up to it coming. So, yes, there is a process to being called, chosen, drawn, of belief, of coming unto one's self--which are all rightly part of death. Not that salvation comes at death necessarily, although many die in there sins never knowing or receiving salvation until they pass from this life. But the death that I am referring to is rather the process of delivering everyone ever born unto the death God declared from the beginning, saying "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die" (Genesis 2:17). That is, with each person partaking and dying in their own time. Or as Paul alluded to this mostly mistaken issue, "but each one in his own order" (1 Corinthians 15:23). Just as it is common to refer to "back in the day" or refer to a persons whole life as "in their day", that is also true of God saying "in that day" ("in that day you eat of it"). That is the process of everyone (in their own "day") entering into sin and death. Wherein "many are called but few are chosen" by God. Only few, because some like "seed fall by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. Some fall on stony places on...and some fall on good ground", etc. Which speaks of the process of some eventually coming to salvation. Still, salvation hasn't happened yet--that's just the process leading up to it. And it is on this path of believing and following Christ that one can still loose their salvation opportunity--before it happens.

Jesus explained this and gave many parables as examples, even making examples of his own disciples and apostles. When Jesus presented many "followers" and "believers" with a hard story--that of needing to eat his flesh and drink his blood--many left off from following him. "Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” Peter then alluded to the dividing line between eternal death and eternal life, saying, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." Which was an example of the dividing line where salvation is attained or not.

But when salvation comes as Jesus explained it would come, as he said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" At which point the "process" is complete, for this is where it is no longer we who live, but Christ who lives in us (Galatians 2:20). Which is that "day and hour no one knows" except the Father. Which may come at the hour of our physical death, or while we are seemingly still alive--as Paul alluded to, referring to "we who are alive and remain"--alive in God, but yet remaining in this world and in the flesh...to do "good works." This is the time of which Jesus spoke, saying, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand." Eternal. Salvation--actual salvation--is "eternal" (forever).

I have given some of the chapter and verse references, but not all. But please look them up, because it is like a string of fine pearls "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little."

And that is the "process"--not of salvation--but the process leading up to it, wherein we are counseled to "persevere unto the end."
 
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There is a process of salvation coming to all who are called;

@ScottA,

Lying Hyper-Calvinism teaches the Satanic theology...= that if you are not called to be saved and forced to have faith then you are chosen before you are born, to burn in the lake of Fire.
So, that is what you are teaching, by saying that "all who are called" vs...>"as MANY as will Believe" or "Jesus came into the world to save sinners". (""Sinners"" is everyone)., not just the pre-chosen as lying Hyper Calvinism teaches.

You have to be careful with how you try to explain God's (GIFT) offer of Salvation, so that you dont DENY that its for ALL SINNERS, as the way you have phrased your conclusion is how a Hyper Calvinist would teach that "only the pre-chosen can believe"....."only the pre-destined can come to God".
So be careful that you dont teach that Satanic lie........as i have not read anything by you before that would prove that you are Lying Hyper Calvinist.
Maybe you are a recent convert to that Satanic theology.......and if you respond to my post, we'll all find out, without a doubt.
 

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@ScottA,

Lying Hyper-Calvinism teaches the Satanic theology...= that if you are not called to be saved and forced to have faith then you are chosen before you are born, to burn in the lake of Fire.
So, that is what you are teaching, by saying that "all who are called" vs...>"as MANY as will Believe" or "Jesus came into the world to save sinners". (""Sinners"" is everyone)., not just the pre-chosen as lying Hyper Calvinism teaches.

You have to be careful with how you try to explain God's (GIFT) offer of Salvation, so that you dont DENY that its for ALL SINNERS, as the way you have phrased your conclusion is how a Hyper Calvinist would teach that "only the pre-chosen can believe"....."only the pre-destined can come to God".
So be careful that you dont teach that Satanic lie........as i have not read anything by you before that would prove that you are Lying Hyper Calvinist.
Maybe you are a recent convert to that Satanic theology.......and if you respond to my post, we'll all find out, without a doubt.
Yeah, but that is only part of what I said. What I was pointing out is that all who are born are called to receive salvation--not simply all who are born or called will receive salvation.

But thanks, it is good to clarify that point.
 
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I read to this point in your post.
"...although many die in there sins never knowing or receiving salvation until they pass from this life."

Those who die in their sins are saved from their sins after they die?
 

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I read to this point in your post.
"...although many die in there sins never knowing or receiving salvation until they pass from this life."

Those who die in their sins are saved from their sins after they die?
No, sorry if it sounded like that.

Many unknowingly die at the end of the life of flesh and sin (sin and death) without understanding that salvation comes or came when Jesus knocked, they opened to him and He entered into them, which for many since Pentecost, occurs while we are still alive in the flesh and remaining in this world. For lack of understanding, many don't live out the rest of their life knowingly or realizing they have fully attained salvation, some believing that "sealed" doesn't mean fully saved. In reality, if anything that would mean one is not fully dead...as their "day" (they shall surely die) is not yet completely fulfilled.
 
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No, sorry if it sounded like that.

Many unknowingly die at the end of the life of flesh and sin (sin and death) without understanding that salvation comes or came when Jesus knocked, they opened to him and He entered into them, which for many since Pentecost, occurs while we are still alive in the flesh and remaining in this world. For lack of understanding, many don't live out the rest of their life knowingly or realizing they have fully attained salvation, some believing that "sealed" doesn't mean fully saved. In reality, if anything that would mean one is not fully dead...as their "day" (they shall surely die) is not yet completely fulfilled.
Thank you for clarifying.
 

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Thank you for clarifying.
This issue is misunderstood on many levels. Another passage that would seem to support the idea that salvation does not actually happen until we die (until this body of flesh passes), is:

"To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." Colossians 1:27

Notice also that Paul specifically states that it is a mystery among the gentiles. He doesn't even specify "Christ in you" as among the church. This helps the matter not to be overly confused, for the church began within "the house of Israel" which was the first "fold" Christ "must bring" to the Father. "Another fold" He "must also bring" was then to be among the gentiles. Which gives a more clear distinction to the two folds as being two different and separate--but more importantly, that the first was in the flesh, and the other in the spirit.

But the "hope" of glory is often confused to be a mere promise, or seal (in the way we think of a seal). The "hope" rather, is for the body of flesh, and the spirit of man having taken on also the spirit of Christ--which is the spirit of God--is a measure uniquely given by God for that time of flesh vs. spirit coexistence of remaining in the flesh in this world where we walk as Christ walked as "he set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land" (Revelation 10:2). Paul gave further clarification on this making an example of himself, saying, "For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain" (Philippians 1:21).

The "seal" (2 Corinthians 1:22) then, means "It is finished", just as it was finished in "Christ the firstfruits"--also indicating the time of Christ's return--as it is written "But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming" (1 Corinthians 15:23).
 
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