The proof of OSAS

[bbyrd009]

man, i tell you that you are fine right where you are, and i get put on ignore! lol

Persons are judgemental.
And they're always confessing.

i've always considered that professing, what a professor does, but then a profession will Freudianly contain confessions, too; only the intent is different? Confession is (good for the soul) made unto salvation, is why i say that.

The pro and con even indicate what is being intended. And we can imagine examples of either one that are made into the other one, either by accident or design, too, i guess, but basically con would be against self.

 

[bbyrd009]

I know what you mean bb.
:)

But, trust me, It's a curse.
And I know you really know this...

well, i know that people hear what they want to hear, so again i think it goes to intent?

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry.
I mean in the Qur'an M does give instructions.

over and above that even, though, if you treat a Muslim like you are supposed to, they will respond accordingly, pretty much like everyone else. Better, even, in my experience. Hard to even get them to "play the tambourine, and you did not laugh" or whatever; that describes Christians much more than them
Catholics are great ppl too, but you have to let them drive usually i guess, lol

 

[GodsGrace]

well, i know that people hear what they want to hear, so again i think it goes to intent?

When you're watching a movie, NOT a Christian movie,
and someone says "JESUS!".

You think they're calling on His name for help???
You're smarter than that.

My point was that if they said "MOHAMMUD!" they'd be in fear for their lives.

Jesus, said in a secular movie, is always intended as a curse or exclamation. In either case, it's taking the name of God in vain.

 

[GodsGrace]

over and above that even, though, if you treat a Muslim like you are supposed to, they will respond accordingly, pretty much like everyone else. Better, even, in my experience. Hard to even get them to "play the tambourine, and you did not laugh" or whatever; that describes Christians much more than them
Catholics are great ppl too, but you have to let them drive usually i guess, lol

People are people.
I'm not talking about individual people, I'm talking about muslims as a group.

For instance, as a group, Italians are known for loving pasta. Which they do. That doesn't mean that I love pasta.

Come on bb.
Don't act innocent...

 

[bbyrd009]

When you're watching a movie, NOT a Christian movie,
and someone says "JESUS!".

You think they're calling on His name for help???
You're smarter than that.

i dunno, i would say that "calling on His Name for help" might be a good characterization, most of the time?

(Best guess for this image: catherine zeta jones darling buds of may)

 

[bbyrd009]

My point was that if they said "MOHAMMUD!" they'd be in fear for their lives.

ha imo most ppl are obsessed with that fear anyway, so...

Jesus, said in a secular movie, is always intended as a curse or exclamation. In either case, it's taking the name of God in vain.

so you say

People are people.
I'm not talking about individual people, I'm talking about muslims as a group.

ah, i dunno any group Muslims, i avoid them i guess

 

[GodsGrace]

i dunno, i would say that "calling on His Name for help" might be a good characterization, most of the time?

(Best guess for this image: catherine zeta jones darling buds of may)

Yeah. Catherine is my gal.
I look like her.
Or so I'm told.

And no, it's not a good characterization !

 

[GodsGrace]

ha imo most ppl are obsessed with that fear anyway, so...
so you say
ah, i dunno any group Muslims, i avoid them i guess

What do you mean
"so you say"???

Isn't that the 3rd commandments???

 

[bbyrd009]

What do you mean
"so you say"???

Isn't that the 3rd commandments?

hmm, i suggest that we have been given a false definition of "taking the Lord's Name in vain," but this is a personal choice that one should make for themselves. i said "so you say" there bc you have apparently found an absolute truth, and i am hardly in a position to budge you from it, it is true for you right, so what else can i say? Bc personally i do not know

 

[Marymog]

Well, for one, Joseph Smith believed he was speaking to demons, there is a written letter by him proving it.
Charles Russell was a liar and a thief, spent time in prison, and could never in a court of law even recognize one letter from the Greek Alphabet.
Don't know about the others, but a person's Christian character is recognized by the fruit he bears.
Tough to do online but not impossible.
The closer you draw to God, the more you recognize in others.

Hi Rollo,

As a student and teacher of history I have never read that letter or read anything about a letter that states that Joseph Smith believed he was speaking to demons. Can you provide me a (reliable) link to a website that talks about this?? A book it is in? Please?? I like to always expand my historical knowledge.

Charles Russell met YOUR criteria: thought that God was dwelling in him and the people that followed him have done many good/Christian things (beared good fruit). I guess we can't use that criteria.I thought Charles Russell would have qualified.

Who/what sets up this criteria? Are there any passages from scripture you can give me that would help?

Mary

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Hi Rollo,

As a student and teacher of history I have never read that letter or read anything about a letter that states that Joseph Smith believed he was speaking to demons. Can you provide me a (reliable) link to a website that talks about this?? A book it is in? Please?? I like to always expand my historical knowledge.

Charles Russell met YOUR criteria: thought that God was dwelling in him and the people that followed him have done many good/Christian things (beared good fruit). I guess we can't use that criteria.I thought Charles Russell would have qualified.

Who/what sets up this criteria? Are there any passages from scripture you can give me that would help?

Mary

Mary, In 1986 I believe, there was a full page article in the Boston Globe with a copy of the letter.
It was big news.
The letter was given to the Mormons and who knows where it is today.
No one at the time denied it's validity.

I'll see if I can look it up.

 

[Marymog]

OSAS is only dangerous if you don't take your faith seriously, which could easily add up to not being really saved.
Ray Boltz, the great song writer, singer, musician, after many years of hit songs and fame, finally admitted he could no longer hide his homosexualism and had to tell the world about it.
He then disappeared from recording Christian songs, found a group of so-called Christians in a so-called Christian church and became one of them.
He still writes and performs what he calls Christian music but his audience is gone.
The heart breaking question that everyone asked, "how could a man who wrote such beautiful Christian songs give it all up to be a homosexual?
This is at the heart of OSAS.
Either he was never saved or God will get him back in the end.
One or the other.

Oh goodness. You have me really confused.

I can believe I am saved, but I may not really be saved because I haven't taken my faith seriously even though I thought I was taking my faith seriously?

Ray Boltz thought he was saved and everyone else thought he was saved but when he admitted he was a homosexual we found out he really wasn't saved but he could possibly be saved in the future? That is if God decides to "get him back in the end"? It's not really up to Boltz; it's up to God? Have I got it now?

I guess the moral of the story is never assumed your saved? Live each day as if you are NOT saved because we are never assured that once we THINK (and everyone else thinks) we are saved, we may not really be saved.

What are your thoughts on Charles Templeton?

Mary

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Hi Rollo,

As a student and teacher of history I have never read that letter or read anything about a letter that states that Joseph Smith believed he was speaking to demons. Can you provide me a (reliable) link to a website that talks about this?? A book it is in? Please?? I like to always expand my historical knowledge.

Charles Russell met YOUR criteria: thought that God was dwelling in him and the people that followed him have done many good/Christian things (beared good fruit). I guess we can't use that criteria.I thought Charles Russell would have qualified.

Who/what sets up this criteria? Are there any passages from scripture you can give me that would help?

Mary

Mary, it may have been a fake.
Not talking about this for many years, I never had a reason to follow up on it.
Here's a link

Salamander letter - Wikipedia

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Oh goodness. You have me really confused.

I can believe I am saved, but I may not really be saved because I haven't taken my faith seriously even though I thought I was taking my faith seriously?

Ray Boltz thought he was saved and everyone else thought he was saved but when he admitted he was a homosexual we found out he really wasn't saved but he could possibly be saved in the future? That is if God decides to "get him back in the end"? It's not really up to Boltz; it's up to God? Have I got it now?

I guess the moral of the story is never assumed your saved? Live each day as if you are NOT saved because we are never assured that once we THINK (and everyone else thinks) we are saved, we may not really be saved.

What are your thoughts on Charles Templeton?

Mary

Are you confusing this on purpose?
It sounds like it.

Charles Templeton is before my time.
Talk to Billy Graham about that.

 

[Marymog]

Mary, it may have been a fake.
Not talking about this for many years, I never had a reason to follow up on it.
Here's a link Salamander letter - Wikipedia

Hi Rollo,

LOL....MAY have been a fake? Did you read the link your provided????

Now that you know the letter was fake and your reason for disregarding Joseph Smith has evaporated have you changed your mind about him?

Thank you.....I have never heard of this before. You have expanded my knowledge and I thank you for that.

Love, Mary

 

[Marymog]

Are you confusing this on purpose?
It sounds like it.

Charles Templeton is before my time. Talk to Billy Graham about that.

Dear Rollo,

You are unable to clearly explain your theory to ME; that is why I am confused. Maybe others can understand it but I can't. I can't even find anything in scripture that supports the OSAS theory. It appears you are done trying to make it clear so I digress.

Charles Russell and Joseph Smith were before your time also but you gave your opinion on them.;)

IHS...Mary

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Dear Rollo,

You are unable to clearly explain your theory to ME; that is why I am confused. Maybe others can understand it but I can't. I can't even find anything in scripture that supports the OSAS theory. It appears you are done trying to make it clear so I digress.

Charles Russell and Joseph Smith were before your time also but you gave your opinion on them.;)

IHS...Mary

well, Jesus Christ was before my time to.
I guess you don't want to hear what I have to say about him either.

 

[Marymog]

well, Jesus Christ was before my time to.
I guess you don't want to hear what I have to say about him either.

Dear Rollo,

You made a comment about someone before your time. You then refused to make a comment about someone before your time. For you to suggest that I don't want to hear what you have to say about Jesus because YOU refuse to make a comment is....well....bizarre.

Just because you can't defend your obvious double talk please don't try to place the blame on MY shoulder by saying. "I guess you don't want to hear what I have to say about...."!

I hope you have a blessed day....Mary

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Dear Rollo,

You are unable to clearly explain your theory to ME; that is why I am confused. Maybe others can understand it but I can't. I can't even find anything in scripture that supports the OSAS theory. It appears you are done trying to make it clear so I digress.

Charles Russell and Joseph Smith were before your time also but you gave your opinion on them.;)

IHS...Mary

I guess you didn't read my OP.
And the only person that refuted my OP did not receive your support.So before you continue with your false claims, you should try reading the thread and not just the last page.

Also, if you feel that Charles Russell and Joseph Smith were good Christians, then you need to go to church and take up Bible study 101 and start asking questions.
Don't take my word for it and I don't need your insults.

I talk about a doctrine called OSAS and you want me to tell you about Charles Templeton.
I'll say this, if he didn't receive Jesus on his death bed, then he was probably never saved and is out there is limbo somewhere.
He spoke poorly of the Christian church but he never spoke poorly of Jesus.

Luke 9:49-50;
"Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in Your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not accompany us.” 50“Do not stop him, Jesus replied, “for whoever is not against you is for you.”

Charles Templeton did this for a long time and Jesus did not stop him.