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In answer to the question...which law?...I reply, that the law in holy scripture is the entirety of moral teachings in all of scripture...for it shows man that he is a sinner in need of the Saviour.
All the Sins Of Believers are on the Cross.......Forgiven and Forgotten
When the Accuser brings up my Multitude Of Sins, God will say , “ WHAT Sins?”
The Law If The Lord “IS” Perfect.....the Problem is NOT the Law .....the Problem is US ....we can’t keep it Perfectly , and that is what one must do to “ Merit” a Justification That will Save you...
If God ever Commanded anybody to Keep the Law Perfectly 24/7.....that would have been asking the impossible.....God knew it could not be done and that was the entire reason for Sacrifices around the clock.....
CharismaticLady
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How do we "merit" a justification that will save us?
Why did Jesus die on the cross? Was it to save the lives of bulls and goats from being sacrificed? Did He just take our punishment while we have no power to keep from sinning? That last sentence is what I've heard on the forums. Are they right?
If we have no power to keep from sinning, how are we ever to "merit" justification?
Gods Law???, for what purpose did God need laws before mans fall, God is Love, Christ is love, Love is not a law it is who God is, it is who Christ is, it is why we where created, it is why God had a plan in place before our fall, it is why God sacrificed His only son, it is why Jesus went to the cross, it is why Grace is by faith, not by our works it is all Love, what part of love dont you understand. Are you going to spend you whole life opposing God and putting yokes around the necks of men.
The law was put in place by Moses, because if it wasnt, Jesus could never be condemned, for where there was no law there is no judgement, it served its purpose it Killed Jesus, do you want to die too, it is the law or faith, which is it going to be... choose the law and you are already dead in your sins.
PS where did I claim to know your heart, if your heart is convicting you maybe its time to question your beliefs.
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First of all, I think you are confused about the reason for sacrifices. When Israel first came out of Israel, before they rebelled, there was no need for animal sacrifices.
Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Got that? If Israel had obeyed the Voice of God, all would have been well for them without any animal sacrifices being required. Do not say God asked the impossible. Do you think Satan is so powerful it is impossible for men to obey God? Are men nothing except puppets of Satan -- perhaps they are if they hearken to the voice of the serpent, but must men listen to the serpent?
The people of Israel later got the wrong idea about animal sacrifices, perhaps the same idea you hold. God was not pleased.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
You seem to believe God is unreasonable, asking the impossible from people. Was it possible to keep the law perfectly? It seems that perhaps it was.
Genesis 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
God was not joking when He spoke to Abraham:
Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
And what of Job?
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
It is up to each of us whether we hear every word that comes from the mouth of God and then obey -- or whether we "hearken to the serpent." God gave us that choice. Do not say it's not possible. With God all things are possible.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Do not say it is impossible to choose life.
Sa,
Same here! I don't think I smiled like that since a kid, lol.
"What does it mean to you fully that Jesus died "for our sins"? What happens to sin in the life of Christian?"
Hmmm....well, Jesus died in our place, FOR OUR sin He remembers our sin NO MORE, and REMOVES them as far as the East is to the West. And if indeed, you have the Spirit of God in you, then you will no longer desire to sin. At least not without much regret. :)
To “Earn” a place in Heaven , one must keep the entire Law , all 613 Commandments 24/7 from the time you are Born until the time you die— in other words, you would have to be just like Jesus. That, of course , is an impossibility .That was the point I was trying to make. Justification via the Law is an impossibility . I have been “ imputed” with the Righteousness Of Christ because I REST in the Gospel Of Grace....That would be Paul’s Gospel ( That is correct— google it ) found in 1 Cor 15:1-4......
Where did you get these ideas? That's not what the Bible teaches in the Old Testament. If someone sinned and repented, God forgot about his sins.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Even those who were sticklers for the law did not keep the law in Paul's day (Galatians 6:13). The scripture hath concluded all under sin so that the promise through faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe (Galatians 3:22). For all have sinned and come short (present tense) of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).
It is indeed not possible to keep the law perfectly so that a man might not be cursed as one who is seeking to obtain salvation through law-keeping (Galatians 3:10).
This is not to say that salvation (or choosing life) is impossible.
Because salvation, while one method of obtaining it might be to keep the law perfectly from conception into throughout eternity; and that method will always utterly fail;
There is another method: because God became a Man and lived a perfect life on this earth and then died on the Cross in your place. So, His perfect life is imputed to your account if you believe that He did that for you; if you receive Jesus Christ and His gift of salvation that He provided through the Cross. All of your sins were laid on Him and He took the penalty, He paid the price for your iniquity. He suffered and died in your place; all of God's justice and wrath concerning your sin was meted out to Him in order that you might go free.
This is the gospel of Jesus Christ and the teaching of the New Testament. These concepts are also hidden in the Old Testament, they can be extracted from certain things therein.
Job may have been considered perfect and upright in Job 1:1; but by the time you get to the end of the book, you find out that Job's sin was that of self-righteousness; that of justifying himself rather than God when it came down to the nitty-gritty. And it has been said that Abraham pimped Sarah out to the king of Egypt; so I doubt that we can say that he was without sin. Jesus was the only One who ever was. Abraham and Job both needed Jesus and His sacrifice in order to be redeemed. And I believe that both of them obtained this salvation through faith in Jesus; for they looked forward to the coming of Christ and believed all that the prophets spoke concerning Him.
It is indeed not possible to keep the law perfectly so that a man might not be cursed as one who is seeking to obtain salvation through law-keeping (Galatians 3:10).
This is not to say that salvation (or choosing life) is impossible.
Because salvation, while one method of obtaining it might be to keep the law perfectly from conception into throughout eternity; and that method will always utterly fail;
There is another method: because God became a Man and lived a perfect life on this earth and then died on the Cross in your place. So, His perfect life is imputed to your account if you believe that He did that for you; if you receive Jesus Christ and His gift of salvation that He provided through the Cross. All of your sins were laid on Him and He took the penalty, He paid the price for your iniquity. He suffered and died in your place; all of God's justice and wrath concerning your sin was meted out to Him in order that you might go free.
This is the gospel of Jesus Christ and the teaching of the New Testament. These concepts are also hidden in the Old Testament, they can be extracted from certain things therein.
Job may have been considered perfect and upright in Job 1:1; but by the time you get to the end of the book, you find out that Job's sin was that of self-righteousness; that of justifying himself rather than God when it came down to the nitty-gritty. And it has been said that Abraham pimped Sarah out to the king of Egypt; so I doubt that we can say that he was without sin. Jesus was the only One who ever was. Abraham and Job both needed Jesus and His sacrifice in order to be redeemed. And I believe that both of them obtained this salvation through faith in Jesus; for they looked forward to the coming of Christ and believed all that the prophets spoke concerning Him.
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The Bible does not talk about the Laws ......it refers to all 613 rules as The Law.....its all or nothing.....when Paul says that the Law is “ weak and useless” , He is referring to ALL of it..... If I am “trampling it” , Paul did a better job of “ that” than I ever dreamed.....He said the Law was given so that Sin would increase.....like I say—- you never hear “ that” in church! I Wonder why.....
quietthinker
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I see you like using the term 'weak and useless' when referring to God's Law; dismissing the context in which it was said even asserting that Paul is on your side in putting the Law down. Your error can hardly be worse.
Your efforts serve only to highlight a very poor understanding of both Paul and the Law. Your attempts at joining the dots results only in a scrambled picture.
Keep in mind that a time is coming where you will need to give account of all your words where you will discover that 'bearing false witness' has anything but been done away with, let alone weak and useless.
Rom 5:9, Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
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KJV Psalms 119
126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
We are not under that Old Covenant that God was displeased with .....He came up with a better One.....The Cross changed many , many things and Paul reveals them in his writings......Read Romans and Galatians to familiarize yourself with the Mysteries That God kept secret for Millenia.....Essentially , God changed a Covenant That said “ Do” to a Covenant That said “ Done”—— it’s not called “Good News” for no reason....if you learn about what all is different, this side of the Cross, “ YOU” will be the one to benefit! God bless....
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