The rabbit hole called Christian nationalism.....

[marks]

The Church is exactly where God expected it to be. He is sovereign? Or did that slip your mind.

This is why I don't appreciate more "The Church Has Failed" threads.

Who is it who says God is not able to sanctify, not able to disciple, and who instead sits in judgment over God's children?

?

Not me, that's for certain!!!

Much love!

 

[BarneyFife]

Some need to realize that we should not dictate the way non-Christians live.

Instead we are meant to be shining lights on the hills, setting good examples for others to follow, that they too may turn to Christ as a result.

And not to be biased, but this is the truth, the 2020 Presidential election has brought out ugliness from both sides to the surface, if you read the comments on social media, nasty comments are coming from both sides of the political spectrum. Even Mike Pence's Facebook page, right at this very moment, go read the comments section, and you will find heaps of nasty comments....

And Christians keep forgetting to pray for their leaders. Unfortunately some even choose to pray against them, which is not our job as New Testament Christians.

The nasty comments need to stop, especially from many Christians, these comments are not shining lights upon the hill, it's more like sticking out like sore thumbs, Christian nationalism is dangerous, and it can turn into love one and hate the other..... Instead we need to love one another, we need to pray for all people, including enemies.

And we do not do that by calling people satanists, who aren't satanist, we do not do that by labelling Democrat Christian voters "demonrats."

Look at how split the Church is, especially in USA, a huge majority of white Evangelical Christians voted for Trump and I mean it was in the high 80s-90%, while a huge majority of around the same percentages of black Christians voted for Biden, why are many Christians alienating them and even saying nasty things towards them?

Christians also seem to be forgetting that God has allowed people to make a decision between right and wrong.

Religious liberty is on it's way out.

Liberty Magazine

 

[Gideons300]

You do realize, that there is a significant body of evidence, only that due to legal process, none has had the opportunity to be presented to the courts.

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You do realize that we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness, right? The post is not about picking sides as to who is right and who is wrong. It is about loving ALL men of all political persuasions and leading all to the only light that can set men free from the evil found in their old nature.

blessings to you, Mark

Gideon

 

[Gideons300]

This is why I don't appreciate more "The Church Has Failed" threads.

Who is it who says God is not able to sanctify, not able to disciple, and who instead sits in judgment over God's children?

?

Not me, that's for certain!!!

Much love!

He is most certainly able to, but at the same time will not force us to bow our knee to Him, admitting our desperate need to have Him cause us to will AND to do of His good pleasure.

God will not set our affections on things above fo us, with us kicking and screaming. He asks us to do that willingly. Sadly, many seem to be struggling with that concept.

blessings,

Gids

 

[marks]

Yet, no one has ever presented any to any of the courts or judges,

If you were to look at the list of cases presented, and why they were not heard, all were for process reasons. No evidence has been presented to a court because none have given the opportunity, not because there is no evidence.

Evidence has been cited in a number of legislative chambers including our congress.

This is actually quite a bit of evidence.

How far will some have to proceed down the rabbit hole before you finally have no choice but to admit it has all been orchestrated, not by the deep state, but by spiritual principalities and powers, thoroughly amused by how easily God's people can be misled when they are not anchored in Christ, walking as sojourners, seeking to be harmless in a world getting closer and closer to mayhem like we cannot yet even imagine.

This is being perpetuated by all those voices telling the citizens of this nation to shut up and accept what is happening.

Why do you see this as a church issue, that if we are being responsible citizens of our country that there is something defective in our Christianity?

Much love!

 

[marks]

The hour is late and we as His corporate body are far from ready to meet Him,

If you are looking for some way to "be ready" aside from being immersed into Christ, what is that?

Much love!

 

[marks]

If you can't see that Biden's regime is ushering us into a Marxist, One World Government, then you have no discernment.

The current regime is clearly antichrist.

But go back to sleep . . . nothing to see here!

Much love!

 

[marks]

The reason I have focused on Christian nationalism is that there are multitudes who have had their focus on 'fixing' the country rather than on figuring out the how of walking in true obedience, so that they can then be used to help others, both Democrats and Republicans, to bow the knee to the only ruler who has their best interest at heart.

As if these were mutually exclusive?

If you can gain your freedom, use it. Will you willing walk from liberty into slavery? That's what the people of this nation are doing if they do not resist this theft of our nation.

To you, "true obedience" means abandoning your fellow countrymen to be further drawn into again, slavery?

When you might otherwise have the opportunity to prevent this?

While you deny being in support of the democratic party, yet your words argue otherwise.

It's like there's a gunman holding a family hostage, and you just want to say, there's no evidence, and hey, this isn't supposed to be our problem! So let's be good Christians and go away and do something else.

A crime is being committed. Who cares?

Much love!

 

[Enoch111]

Yet, no one has ever presented any to any of the courts or judges, whether they be Republican or Democrat.

You are completely mistaken. The biased judges in various states refused to even consider the cases seriously, and the Supreme Court dismissed the lawsuit brought by NINETEEN STATES against four states in an extremely cavalier and flippant manner, claiming that the states had "no standing"! Which was a load of hogwash.

So when you are not even fully acquainted with the facts, you should not be getting on your high horse and spouting off about the state of the Church. Law-abiding Christian citizens who voted lawfully had a legal and constitutional right to have all the evidence carefully, properly, and fully examined by the Supreme Court. And it was A TON OF EVIDENCE.

And since your are apparently quite comfortable with a criminal pretender being in the White House, it would appear that you are now siding with the powers of darkness. It is Satan who ultimately put usurper Biden on the *throne* (since his actions show that he is a little tin-pot dictator and an enemy of the people). Every EO from Biden is a violation of that which is right, moral, or just. And that is Satan's agenda.

 

[Gideons300]

Maybe you and Amadeus have different a different definition of honesty...So you guys can answer these question if you dare.
What is your position on abortion?
Your position on homosexuality?
Your position on drug use?
Your position on free speech?
Your position on the leftist form of communism?
Your position on law and order?
Your position on law enforcement?
Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?
Your position on shutting down churches in democratic run states?
Your position on school prayer?
Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?
Your position on Christian monuments?
Your position on the removal of national monuments?
Your position on illegal aliens and secure borders?

If nothing else is may clear up some misunderstandings. And give you an opportunity express your beliefs.

You simply do not get it. It would most likely shock you if I took the time to answer your questions, but I assure you, most likely, they would line up closely with yours.

BUT.... our desire must first be to get the evil out of US, for many are being led away from their own steadfastness by being earthly-minded, which will lead to spiritual death. Listen to what Peter tells us:

"Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,

wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 Peter 3:11-14,17-18

 

[marks]

Exhort brethren to put their eyes on Jesus and seek pureness of heart and these words are interpreted as 'leftist tactics'.

Rather a misdirection, don't you think?

Is that honest?

 

[Gideons300]

As if these were mutually exclusive?

If you can gain your freedom, use it. Will you willing walk from liberty into slavery? That's what the people of this nation are doing if they do not resist this theft of our nation.

To you, "true obedience" means abandoning your fellow countrymen to be further drawn into again, slavery?

When you might otherwise have the opportunity to prevent this?

While you deny being in support of the democratic party, yet your words argue otherwise.

It's like there's a gunman holding a family hostage, and you just want to say, there's no evidence, and hey, this isn't supposed to be our problem! So let's be good Christians and go away and do something else.

A crime is being committed. Who cares?

Much love!

Again, looking at things from an earthly perspective, you only see the possibility that if one is not "with you", they must be against you. This mindset can only be countered by putting off ones old nature by faith, to clearly see what our battle is, and what it is not.

Our job is to come to the point we HATE our old nature, and therein lies the rub. Most want to stay in their old nature and still think they can please God by their political leanings. It simply is a lie. God offers us brand new natures that CAN love, that CAN obey, but until we come to despise our carnal self, no progress will be made. We will simply end up running laps in the wilderness, ever learning and never able to come to the truth.

blessings,

Gids

 

[Grailhunter]

You simply do not get it. It would most likely shock you if I took the time to answer your questions, but I assure you, most likely, they would line up closely with yours.

BUT.... our desire must first be to get the evil out of us, for many are being led away from their own steadfastness by being earthly-minded, which will lead to spiritual death. Listen to what Peter tells us:

"Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,

wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 Peter 3:11-14,17-18

Anything but the truth. And the sad thing, you do not realize that it is so obvious for those to see.

 

[Gideons300]

Repent from trying to save your brother? Repent from attempting to stop the murder of 100's of thousands?

That's what the democratic party, the globalists have done when they, for purely political reasons, denied life saving treatment to millions of people worldwide, treatment that was known, and is now admitted to be a major life-saver.

How many millions died SOLELY as a result of Trump Derangement Syndrome? Orange Man Bad, let them DIE!!!

So you're OK with this, and promote this sort of thing? That's your idea of holiness? Stop telling the truth, and just ignore the evil? Aren't we told to expose evil? Reprove evil? Isn't that the Word of God?

Or is it just once again telling everyone how lousy they all are. That's how it seems to me.

Much love! And hopefulness!

Mark, one cannot reprove evil until the evil inside oneself has been dealt a death blow. To do otherwise leads to hypocrisy.

blessings,

Gids

 

[Gideons300]

I am off to bed. Good night all.

G

 

[marks]

Again, looking at things from an earthly perspective, you only see the possibility that if one is not "with you", they must be against you. This mindset can only be countered by putting off ones old nature by faith, to clearly see what our battle is, and what it is not.

Of course that's not what I'm saying.

It's not, "us and them". That's your wording, not mine, and not my thought.

Love the sinner, but hate the sin. Isn't that what we do?

It sounds like you are suggesting that if we are to love the sinner we have to ignore the sin, regardless of how aggregious, or how horribly it impacts so very many people.

Much love!

 

[Josho]

You are completely mistaken. The biased judges in various states refused to even consider the cases seriously, and the Supreme Court dismissed the lawsuit brought by NINETEEN STATES against four states in an extremely cavalier and flippant manner, claiming that the states had "no standing"! Which was a load of hogwash.

So when you are not even fully acquainted with the facts, you should not be getting on your high horse and spouting off about the state of the Church. Law-abiding Christian citizens who voted lawfully had a legal and constitutional right to have all the evidence carefully, properly, and fully examined by the Supreme Court. And it was A TON OF EVIDENCE.

And since your are apparently quite comfortable with a criminal pretender being in the White House, it would appear that you are now siding with the powers of darkness. It is Satan who ultimately put usurper Biden on the *throne* (since his actions show that he is a little tin-pot dictator and an enemy of the people). Every EO from Biden is a violation of that which is right, moral, or just. And that is Satan's agenda.

Biased judges? There are currently 4 liberal judges and 5 conservative judges I believe, it was pretty fair.

 

[marks]

Our job is to come to the point we HATE our old nature, and therein lies the rub. Most want to stay in their old nature and still think they can please God by their political leanings.

Most? Who again are these "most" whom you speak for?

Again . . . being a mature Christian makes us better citizens, and allows us to better fulfill all our eartly duties.

We are to care for ourselves, so we are not burdensome to others.
We are to care for our families.
We are to care for our neighbor. Who is our neighbor? And how should we care for them?

What about . . . saving them from death if we are able? Saving them from slavery if we are able?

As a Christian, are these important to you?

Much love!

 

[Bobby Jo]

@Gideons300
How many deaf ears and blind eyes will read this?

I can name two who are deaf and blind. -- And it's not Elam and me ..


Does that help?
Bobby Jo

 

[Enoch111]

Biased judges? There are currently 4 liberal judges and 5 conservative judges I believe, it was pretty fair.

Fairness means a passion to get to the truth of the matter.

Highlight from Today’s Wisconsin Supreme Court Hearing on Election Fraud – Two Judges Claim Trump’s Post Election Strategy Was Racist

Calling Trump racist is totally false but very effective with Leftist racists.

“The Democrats Are Lying. I Don’t Know About the Judges” – Rudy Giuliani Discusses Today’s Response from Third Circuit Court of Appeals (Video)
"The Democrats Are Lying. I Don't Know About the Judges" - Rudy Giuliani Discusses Today's Response from Third Circuit Court of Appeals (Video)

And the so-called conservatives on the Supreme Court are pretenders, like Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett. They not only betrayed their oaths of office, but they also betrayed Trump and America.