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1 Thessalonians 1:10
and wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Paul writes to the Thessalonians describing this event. Yes the word "rapture" is never used, but what is termed is "caught up." Something similar is described in the book of Acts that happened to Phillip, Acts 8:39 yet this is a bit different.
Now some discredit this, and say we will endure the tribulation, yet from 1 Thessalonians 1:10 1 Thessalonians 5:9 we do know we are not destined for God's wrath.
Now it does say in John 16:33 "In the world you have tribulation..." Yet to keep this in context, Jesus was speaking about the realities of this planet, and the hardships they must endure until He retrieves them.
Revelation 6:16-17
and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
This is echoed in Luke 23:30 and Hosea 10:8
Notice in verse 17 the great day of their wrath has come. This is spoken at the opening of the sixth seal. I understand the church must be gone before any of God's wrath comes upon them if we are to believe Paul and his writings.
Now what post tribulation proponents say is the order of the seals, trumpets, and bowls are not sequential, and they stack them together, meaning they happen all at the same time. John's description does not present them that way, and in fact discredits that entirely.
Revelation 8:1-2
When He opened the seventh seal, there was a silence in heaven for about a half an hour. And I saw seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
Clearly after opening the seventh seal, about a half of an hour goes by, and seven angels are given seven trumpets. They do not have trumpets at the first seal through unto the sixth seal. The seals do not parallel the trumpets.
Now to be sure, all of the bowls are God's wrath. If the bowls parallel the seals then we will endure God's wrath, and Paul is contradicted, which I reject.
Revelation 16:1
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth."
The rapture is a real event, in fact the Thessalonians believed they had missed it in relation to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Paul assures them they did not miss anything.
Shalom
and wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead-Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Paul writes to the Thessalonians describing this event. Yes the word "rapture" is never used, but what is termed is "caught up." Something similar is described in the book of Acts that happened to Phillip, Acts 8:39 yet this is a bit different.
Now some discredit this, and say we will endure the tribulation, yet from 1 Thessalonians 1:10 1 Thessalonians 5:9 we do know we are not destined for God's wrath.
Now it does say in John 16:33 "In the world you have tribulation..." Yet to keep this in context, Jesus was speaking about the realities of this planet, and the hardships they must endure until He retrieves them.
Revelation 6:16-17
and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
This is echoed in Luke 23:30 and Hosea 10:8
Notice in verse 17 the great day of their wrath has come. This is spoken at the opening of the sixth seal. I understand the church must be gone before any of God's wrath comes upon them if we are to believe Paul and his writings.
Now what post tribulation proponents say is the order of the seals, trumpets, and bowls are not sequential, and they stack them together, meaning they happen all at the same time. John's description does not present them that way, and in fact discredits that entirely.
Revelation 8:1-2
When He opened the seventh seal, there was a silence in heaven for about a half an hour. And I saw seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
Clearly after opening the seventh seal, about a half of an hour goes by, and seven angels are given seven trumpets. They do not have trumpets at the first seal through unto the sixth seal. The seals do not parallel the trumpets.
Now to be sure, all of the bowls are God's wrath. If the bowls parallel the seals then we will endure God's wrath, and Paul is contradicted, which I reject.
Revelation 16:1
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth."
The rapture is a real event, in fact the Thessalonians believed they had missed it in relation to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Paul assures them they did not miss anything.
Shalom