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rapture scriptures
Christ comes for His own (
John 14:3;
1Th. 5:28;
2Th. 2:1).
Christ comes in the air (
1Th. 4:17).
Christ claims His bride (
1Th. 4:16-17).
Removal of believers (
1Th. 4:17).
Only His own see Him (
1Th. 4:13-18).
Tribulation begins (
2Th. 1:6-9).
Saved are delivered from wrath (
1Th. 1:10;
1Th. 5:9).
No signs precede rapture (
1Th. 5:1-3).
Focus is Lord and Church (
1Th. 4:13-18).
World is deceived (
2Th. 2:3-12).
Believers depart the earth (
1Th. 4:15-17)
Unbelievers remain on earth.
No mention of establishing Christ’s Kingdom on earth.
Christians taken to the Father’s house (
John 14:1-3).
Imminent—could happen at any moment.
Precedes the career of the man of sin. (
2Th. 2:1-3).
2nd coming scriptures
Christ comes with His own (
1Th. 3:13;
Jude 1:14;
Rev. 19:14+)
Christ comes to the earth (
Zec. 14:4;
Acts 1:11).
Christ comes with His bride (
Rev. 19:6-14+).
Manifestation of Christ (
Mal. 4:2)
Every eye shall see Him (
Rev. 1:7+).
Millennial Kingdom begins (
Rev. 20:1-7+)
Unsaved experience the wrath of God (
Rev. 6:12-17+)
Signs precede Second Coming (
Luke 21:11,
Luke 21:15).
Focus is Israel and kingdom (
Mat. 24:14)
Satan is bound so he cannot deceive (
Rev. 20:1-2+)
Unbelievers are taken away from the earth (
Mat. 24:37-41)
Believers remain on earth (
Mat. 25:34)
Christ has come to set up His Kingdom on earth (
Mat. 25:31,
Mat. 25:34).
Resurrected saints do not see the Father’s house (
Rev. 20:4+)
Cannot occur for at least 7 years.
Terminates the career of the man of sin (
Rev. 19:20+).
these are all scriptures concerning the rapture and the second coming(also called the day of the Lord). if you have questions let us discuss them without disregarding them out of hand. i still don't know much so maybe we can all learn something.
Since those Scriptures are being offered within a Pre-trib secret Rapture doctrinal of man sense, I'm going to address them from the start, until I get tired of how wrongly they are used by 7angels...
Christ comes for His own (
John 14:3;
1Th. 5:28;
2Th. 2:1).
John 14:2-3
2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
(KJV)
Starting at Ezekiel 40, God's House is described in detail; it's about the Millennium Sanctuary that's to manifest when Jesus returns. That's WHERE those "mansion" are, for the Greek word for "mansions" is 'abodes', i.e., dwellings. Those dwelling areas are within the Ezekiel Millennium Temple layout for the priest's abodes. That's what our Lord Jesus was talking about. And per the Ezekiel 40-49 Scripture, those "manisons" are ON EARTH, in the Holy Lands of promise. How many realize that has yet to manifest on earth today? So 7angels's listing this John Scripture proves nothing to support a Pre-trib Rapture.
1Thes 5:28
28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
(KJV)
7angels must have missed-quoted, because that 1 Thess.5:28 verse reveals nothing to support a Pre-trib Rapture view. So scrap that reference from his post.
II Th 2:1
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
(KJV)
That sole verse by itself does nothing to establish a Pre-trib Rapture theory either. So far, none of the Scriptures 7angels listed has given any support for a Pre-trib Rapture view.
Christ comes in the air (
1Th. 4:17).
1Thes 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(KJV)
Once again, that verse does not prove a Pre-trib Rapture position. It's simply about our gathering to Christ Jesus at His coming. It doesn't say WHEN in that verse, doesn't even allude to when there.
Christ claims His bride (
1Th. 4:16-17).
1Thes 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(KJV)
7angels just got done quoting the 1 Thess.4:16 verse, and now all he's done is add the 16th verse with it. That 16th verse does nothing to support a Pre-trib Rapture view either. The WHEN of Christ's coming and our gathering to Him still cannot be determined with any of the verses 7angels has listed so far. Adding the 16th verse with the one he just listed show what? Filler, to try and make his list SEEM as if there's a lot of Scripture support for his Pre-trib Rapture position. Not only that, but do you see anywhere in those verses where the word 'bride' is even mentioned? That idea doesn't even come from that Scripture example.
Removal of believers (
1Th. 4:17).
Well, that's kind of obvious by now, once again with 1 Thess.4:17 being quoted, a 3rd time! Who doesn't know Paul was speaking about Christ's Church there? But where's support for the Pre-trib Rapture theory there? It just ain't there.
Only His own see Him (
1Th. 4:13-18).
1Thes 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
(KJV)
And yet another repeat of the 1 Thess.4 Scripture. Just where is his view that only Christ's own will see Him? Do you see that idea anywhere written in those verses he quoted??? Nope! It is not there. As a matter of fact, that idea that "Only His own see Him" is not written anywhere in The Bible at all! Instead, per Rev.1:7, Jesus revealed ALL eyes will see Him at His coming!
So who do you think those like 7angels is listening to which drove him to do that with God's Word??? It certainly was not God nor His Christ that led him to do that, but the doctrines of men that caused him in ignorace to push that idea which comes from outside... the written Scripture.
Well, I think that's enough to show how believers on the Pre-trib Rapture theory are deceived by men's doctrines, and allow themselves to be deceived, and really are NOT... studying The Scripture for theirselves, but are just regurgitating ideas and doctrines they've been taught by men. Wanting an idea to be true just doesn't get it in God's Word. We have to stay with what He said in His Word, and not be concerned about pop traditions of men, nor even their methods to persuade. If one really want to know the Truth, then they will learn to depend DIRECTLY upon God for it, and not man.