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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Keraz, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. Joseph77

    Joseph77 Well-Known Member

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    Even for people who are not so deceived, they may not see anything about Israel the way God sees and says.
    The ones who follow a false jesus, a jesus not Savior, not King, not Messiah, not God - it really doesn't matter what they think about Israel , or about Truth in God's Word, does it ? They are already following the lie, and will perish unless they each repent, as Jesus says (as in the parable of the tower of siloam).
     
  2. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    You'd better let GOD know, because HE's already purposed, planned, and provisioned their nation/state, with the Prophesied going forth of the Word in 1924, and their Prophesied International Recognition in 1948.

    What you don't know WILL harm you, as "teachers" have a greater accountability.
    Bobby Jo
     
  3. mjrhealth

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    Oh get over it, God made a promise to Abraham and Israel, Hes not going to change His mind because christains dont like it. Deceived he says... Oh look, the devil says, christians killed the Jews for me...
     
  4. Keraz

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    God hasn't changed His mind, He knows who His people are, Amos 9:8-9, and He will save them. However not all will enter the holy Land. Ezekiel 20:34-38
    The current inhabitants of a small part of the holy Land, are a mixture of many ethnicities, without any proof of descent from Judah. They; 99.9% reject Jesus. Only a remnant of them will survive. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 9:27
    The prophesy in Isaiah 66:7-9 does not apply to the Jewish State of Israel. The context proves that the real fulfilment will come after the Lord has cleared and cleansed all of the holy Land and only the faithful Christian people will live there. Jeremiah 12:14, then Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, Isaiah 62:1-5
     
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    Lets see, Egypt tried to remove the, rome tried to destroy them, and all the OT warlords. than it was Hitler, and all those countries tha thated them, but so easy for teh devil, christians are doing His work for Him, you stand against Israel you stand against God, your choice.

    Israel the Jews have being persecuted for 3876 years, christians a mere 2000. And they where and are still persecuted for His Name Sake
     
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  6. Keraz

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    So; is the Jewish State of Israel God's favorite? Are they doing what God requires of His people?

    God has no favorites, Romans 2:11, and God's people are told to spread the Gospel. Matthew 28:19-20
    Why then do you think they are any more special than any other people group? Just read Ephesians 2:11-18

    I know why; you have been fooled by the teaching that the Church, [you] will be raptured to heaven, while the Jews remain and pass thru tribulation and eventually become Christian.
    That this fanciful idea is not found anywhere in the Bible, should cause some consternation, but people who do believe it, seem to be incapable of understanding the scriptures that do tell us what God plans for our future.
     
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  7. Bobby Jo

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    You cite only 16 Verses plus one Chapter in the entirety of Scripture? I thought there were 66 Books, containing 1,189 Chapters, with 31,132 Verses. And you couldn't find any prophecies for GOD's provision of a 1948 Jewish Nation/State? Are you sure you've exhausted all the respective verses, -- or just the ones which don't apply?!?

    Bobby Jo
     
  8. Keraz

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    Your usual ranting, bereft of any scriptural support for your belief., just derogatory foolishness.

    The only verse that pertains to the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel is; Matthew 24:32-34 [Paralleled in Mark and Luke.] We have seen the 'fig tree budding' as the Jews make their Land blossom. And we are that generation who will see it all, culminating in the glorious Return of Jesus.
    Note; that Jesus cursed the fig tree and said it would never bear fruit. Matthew 21:19 They do not proclaim the Gospel.
     
  9. Bobby Jo

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    You don't know what you don't know, -- and apparently YOU REFUSE to find out the TRUTH. It's not the first instance, and probably won't be the last, but it's not for me to worry about. I've done my due diligence and your blood is on your own head.

    So go along your way in your stubborn ignorance, and receive your "reward".
    Bobby Jo
     
  10. Keraz

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    Because the Israelite Woman of Revelation 12 is living within the tribulation period, pre-tribulationists resort to changing her identity to bloodline Israel. But any Biblical symbol of Israel in the tribulation period cannot include bloodline Jews, for they are no longer Jews in the eyes of God. They are Jews only in the eyes of man, for the Bible teaches that a Jew in the eyes of God; is one only in the Spirit.

    There is Biblical support for the idea that non-Jewish Christians are citizens of God's Israel. They are Jews in a very real sense, by the Spirit. Since the Spirit counts for more than blood, Gentile saints are Jews more than the Jews who are such by blood but not through the King of the Jews. Paul, a Jew who once held a lofty position in the "synagogue of Satan," maintained this very principle without any gray area at all when he became a citizen of Christ's Israel: "A Jew is not one outwardly, but is a Jew in the hidden parts [of the spirit]..." (Romans 2:28,29). In other words, Israelis are Israelites only if they are part of the elect Christian Church.

    Just as the Law of Moses demanded that any Jew who grievously disobeyed it was to be cut off from the Israel, so also any Jew who rejects the word of God through Jesus shall be cut off. In fact, if rejecting Moses cut them off, rejecting Jesus will cut them off with so much more finality. This leads to the radical Christian position which we must uphold, at the bewilderment of the bloodline Jews. But NEVER must we persecute the bloodline Jews; this must be left to wicked powers chosen by God.

    Thus, while Jews of Old-Testament times were born into the Israel of God from their natural births, a Jew in New-Testament times has to be born into the Israel of God by an alternative, second birth. If a person born into Abraham's stock by their natural birth now rebels against Jesus and does not become born again in the Spirit, such a one would not technically be cut off from Israel, because such a person would never have been a part of Israel in the first place. And so the means of becoming an Israelite citizen has changed, but this does require a new Israel, as prophesied in Isaiah 62:1-5.

    Peter said, while repeating Moses, "And it shall be that every soul which does not listen to that prophet [Messiah] will be utterly destroyed from the people" (Acts 3:23). Thus, the Old-Testament Jews (e.g. the 12 Apostles prior to the Crucifixion) who did devote themselves to "that prophet" simply retained their citizenship in the new Israel.

    Do we Gentile Christians become citizens of Israel only when the Millennial Kingdom begins on earth? Do we consider our birth by blood to hold more priority than our re-birth by the Spirit? When we were born again in the Spirit, we were born into the Israel of God. So let's not view things from the natural perspective only since there exists the superior position of the Spirit.

    Try reading Revelation 12 by viewing the Woman as the one Israel of God covering both Covenants, and we can see why it's Christians that are called her "offspring" in verse 17. This picture is no different than Paul's picture of the tree of Israel with its Christian "branches" (Romans 11), where Jews who do not put on Christ are branches that fall off t
     
  11. Reggie Belafonte

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    If one was to claim to be a Blood decent Jew, how far removed would one have to be to not be regarded as one ? I would say only full blood would cut it, but then again it's not about the blood line that God is after in reality, it's his will that be done is the message for all back in the day.

    If one was to be able to prove to be a Hebrew of the flock back in Jesus day, then who are you of ?
    Lets look at the ones who missed the bus or the ones who got on with Jesus ? are they both Gods people ?
    I would go with the ones who went with Jesus is Gods people and the rest are a curse.
    So we can see one lot are of the promise and the other are not.

    If one nowadays is not truly born again that means you are not of Gods people, for you do not know him.

    If you claim to be a blood Jew can you prove it or does it matter at all ?

    Many deceptions are out and about that I have heard claimed by so called Christians that claim to be supporting the so called Jews, now I don't believe they are supporting the Jews at all in reality, they peddle verses as line grabs. they claim Don't say anything bad about the Jews or else ? verse X, Y, Z. So I have some religious who knows my Sir name is Jewish telling me to look out ! then again I have had such religious claim that I am not a Christian ? and demand that I am a Jew ? they do not listen to a word that I say at all. I have to follow them like some puppy dog !
    Could I pull rank on them ? well I have thought of pointing out what is truly what, but they would kill me for sure. I do not bother with them because I know I may as well be talking to a brick wall. they are all about mans works that is what they are obsessed about, even tho they say they reject mans works, they do it just the same, yet they can't see it is truly what they are doing. We are making the State of Israel ! :rolleyes: giving money propping it all up. if the State was left to God it would not exist in fact, how many $ millions does the USA tax payer hand over to this blight, it can not survive without mans works.

    Why do the Satanist so called Zionist want to create the State ? To dominate over the whole world. it's Rothschild's creation in fact, to bring in the Anti-Christ who we all know comes before the second coming.
     
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    The Satanist make claims of the rapture, from this point I can see this point is about deluding people that they will not go through the Hellfire, this is peddled by the Satanist, so they can peddle to bring on the days ? Only the gutless moron will abide in such rubbish, oh if it was not for the lie of being raptured up before the Hellfire where would they stand ? they are standing on very thin ice.
    One can not do wrong in order to do right.
    They make the rules as to who goes to Heaven or Hell :rolleyes: they demand that they are going to Heaven o_O fact is such is only up to Jesus Christ in fact. No person can make such a claim before God !

    Now the days as Bible points out has to do with the Society failing has to do with a society turning it's back on God in fact but if it was not for the falling away, one would not have a Hellfire to deal with at all.

    So the Satanist leadership peddles all such works to cause delusions, we see them deceptions clearly nowadays in it's workings, Gay pride, Gender bending and all the rest of the deranged nonsense.

    The Devil is a master of delusions ! he even had a go at Jesus and that is an interesting subject to look into on it's own as to how Jesus deal with this Titch, It's well worth studying, because you may find the key that is at hand.
     
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    Swing the sword three times, terrible will be the slaughter.

    Ezekiel 21:1-7 This is the Word of the Lord: Face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. Say to that Land: I am against you, I shall draw My sword and make away with both righteous and wicked among you. I intend to destroy both good and evil people, from the Negev, [Southern Israel] Northward, all will know that it is the Lord who has acted. All courage will fail on that Day, it is coming, it will surely take place.

    This will be the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. There has not been any previous event, as described, in Israel. Ezekiel 20:47-48, Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 21:14.

    The righteous and wicked alike will be killed’. Jeremiah 10:18, Amos 2:4-5

    It will surely happen: the next prophesied event, which will clear the entire Middle East, thus enabling His people, true Christian Israelites, to gather in and live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 83, Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 2:12-22, Joel 2:1-11.

    Ezekiel 21:8-13 Prophesy: A sword is sharpened and polished, ready to kill. Should we respect the sceptre of Judah? No, the sword despises it. The sword of destruction is ready for the hand of the slaughterer. Cry aloud and lament, for testing will surely come upon My people and on all Israel’s leaders who are given over to be slain with My people. Mourn and wail, for what if the sceptre of Judah does not continue?

    The people currently occupying all of the Holy Land will be killed or displaced. Lament, for My people [Judah] too, will be slain. Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 16:35-41, Isaiah 22:14

    Ezekiel 21:14-17 Prophesy: Strike your hands together, swing the sword three times. It is the instrument of slaughter, whirling around. Their courage will fail and many will stumble and fall. Lightning flashes left and right – blocking all escape routes, terrible will be the slaughter. Then, I too, will strike My hands together, My wrath will subside. I, the Lord have spoken.

    Swing the sword three times” Refers to the judgement and dispersion of Judah. 1/ Babylon. 2/ Rome. 3/ to come. Zechariah 13:7-9, Jeremiah 19:11, Matthew 21:41, Luke 19:27. Is the third ‘swing of the sword’, the Holocaust? No, because that was just the worst of many pogroms and massacres of the Jews since 70-135 AD.

    Ezekiel 21:18-24 This is a fulfilled prophecy of how God led Babylon to attack and destroy Jerusalem. The House of Judah were taken into captivity in 586 BCE, because of their sins. 2 Kings 23:27.

    Ezekiel 21:28-32 Prophesy to the Ammonites.......you will be fuel for the fire, remembered no more. = Modern Jordan, “still living in the place of their origin “. ‘Their beliefs are a lie and for their insults against Israel’. Deuteronomy 32:41-43, Jeremiah 12:14, Amos 1:1-15 and Amos 2:1-5....I will send fire upon Judah....
    Ref: REB, NIV. Verses abridged
     
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    Why do you hate Jews?
    Your Thread is an open insult to the Spirit of God.
    God has been calling Jews back to their Holy Land for quite a long time.
    This will continue, no matter how you feel about it or teach against this truth.
     
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    Why would God call back anyone to the Land, we have Jesus Christ, is he not enough is that what you are truly saying, or don't you understand who Jesus Christ truly is, or is it that you don't have not enough faith in Jesus to truly believe in him.

    Most of the so called Jews in the State are Atheist in fact, or do not follow the OT at all if that.

    God vomited them out of the Land for a reason you know, now who would God forgive a blighted people who still reject him. who are hell bent on creating another so called Jesus of a worldly kingdom that is totally of mans works, not to mention totally rejects the true Jesus who is the Christ and the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Who are you accusing of hatred of the Jews?
    All I have done is reprint what the Bible Prophets wrote.

    Either withdraw your false accusation against me, or provide proper scriptural proofs that what they say is wrong.
     
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    My Home is in Israel.
    You state that my family are not "Legit" Jews.
    You are a Jew Hater, who abuses the bible to present your personal theology of bigotry and hatred toward the Jewish people, in public, on a Christian forum.
    = Pathetic.
     
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    Hi Behold,

    What keraz has done is lived for a while in Israel, and accepted that the English Translations are infallible in their message and content. He see statements like, "Land of Israel" as being factual, whereas if he understood the Hebrew text which has been translated wrongly, he would understand that God has promised to put the people of Israel in the "fertile soil of Israel" where Israel is a metaphorical description for Jesus and where he has seen "on the Mountains of Israel" he has assumed a literal understanding and ignore the metaphorical imagery that God will teach the Nation of Israel when He has gathered them to himself where they will remain living on the "religion of Jesus" where metaphorically the word "mountain" can be understood to have the meaning of "religion."

    Although people have tried to gently suggest to him the errors in his theories, he stubbornly will not budge from his own private understanding of the message content of the scriptures based on his belief that the English translations are not fallible.

    Shalom
     
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    Yes, thank you.

    The chain of Heresy is blinding to all those who are found to be lost therein..
     
  20. Keraz

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    I have reported you for hatred!
    Maybe your family are legit Jews. Do you have any proof of descent from Judah?

    You fail to provide proper scriptural rebuttal to the Bible prophesies I presented.
    When anyone starts questioning the veracity of our Bibles, then I know they have another agenda.
     
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