The reasons for and against BACs being habitual sinners

[07-07-07]

I guess you know this refers to habitual sin (with no repentance).
The occasional sin is covered by confessing and repenting (stopping)..

Did God remove Adam and Eve from Paradise for habitual sin or one willful sin? The Saints of God do not willfully sin because God's Word abides in their hearts. Should they willfully sin, they have fallen from Grace; but, restoration is possible through sorrowful repentance.

Let this music video bless you about this matter.

BTW, did you have a reason for omitting the critical verse 10?

[10] In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[Nondenom40]

Did God remove Adam and Eve from Paradise for habitual sin or one willful sin? The Saints of God do not willfully sin because God's Word abides in their hearts. Should they willfully sin, they have fallen from Grace; but, restoration is possible through sorrowful repentance.

Neither. God removed them so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life and live forever in a fallen state.

Gen 3:22-24

22 Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" — 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life. NASB

The born again believer has had his/her certificate of debt nailed to the cross; Col 2:14. When we read and understand Romans 5 we realize our salvation is secure in His hands. If He died for you while you were His enemy is He really going to kick you out for future sin? Romans 5:1...we have peace with God. People should meditate on that.

 

[07-07-07]

Neither. God removed them so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life and live forever in a fallen state.

You're correct, but missed the point. They were removed for one willful sin, not habitual sin.

The born again believer has had his/her certificate of debt nailed to the cross; Col 2:14. When we read and understand Romans 5 we realize our salvation is secure in His hands. If He died for you while you were His enemy is He really going to kick you out for future sin? Romans 5:1...we have peace with God. People should meditate on that.

Willful sin can't get into Heaven no more than willful sin could remain in Eden.

 

[Nondenom40]

You're correct, but missed the point. They were removed for one willful sin, not habitual sin.



Willful sin can't get into Heaven no more than willful sin could remain in Eden.

Jesus takes our sin when we are born again....2 Cor 5:21. We have his righteousness.

 

[07-07-07]

Jesus takes our sin when we are born again....2 Cor 5:21. We have his righteousness.

Not if we willfully sin. God will not allow a willful sinner to contaminate Heaven no more than he would allow willful sinners to eat of the Tree of Life in Eden. The wages of sin is death.

 

[Giuliano]

Haha!! I didn't know either...it took me while to work it out.
How much easier if it had just been mention in actual words...

Maybe some people have to catch trains or something, so need to hurry so have shortcuts in their posts.. lol

When I googled it, I got something about "bacon-avocado-cheddar" sandwiches. ROFL

 

[Nondenom40]

Not if we willfully sin. God will not allow a willful sinner to contaminate Heaven no more than he would allow willful sinners to eat of the Tree of Life in Eden. The wages of sin is death.

How do you contaminate being in Christ? Read James 1 or Romans 7. What James and Paul describes is willful sin. Are they in heaven?

 

[Helen]

When I googled it, I got something about "bacon-avocado-cheddar" sandwiches. ROFL

I know the feeling!!

 

[Helen]

Neither. God removed them so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life and live forever in a fallen state.
The born again believer has had his/her certificate of debt nailed to the cross; Col 2:14. When we read and understand Romans 5 we realize our salvation is secure in His hands. If He died for you while you were His enemy is He really going to kick you out for future sin? Romans 5:1...we have peace with God. People should meditate on that.

Good word.

 

[07-07-07]

How do you contaminate being in Christ? Read James 1 or Romans 7. What James and Paul describes is willful sin. Are they in heaven?

How are you in Christ if you willfully sin? You can't have sin and Jesus too because you'll love the one and despise the other. What's more, Romans 7 is a chapter describing Paul's inability to overcome sin when he was under the Law because it's of the flesh. Romans 8 goes on to give the remedy to overcome sin. And, since you mention James, he affirms that the wages of sin is death.

James 1
[12] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
[13] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[Nondenom40]

How are you in Christ if you willfully sin? You can't have sin and Jesus too because you'll love the one and despise the other. What's more, Romans 7 is a chapter describing Paul's inability to overcome sin when he was under the Law because it's oUmf the flesh. Romans 8 goes on to give the remedy to overcome sin. And, since you mention James, he affirms that the wages of sin is death.

James 1
[12] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
[13] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Um, the Holy Spirit lives in sinful people. Our sin is forgiven, our certificate of debt is nailed to the cross but we still sin. We aren't slaves to sin, we have been given His righteousness, He has cleansed us from all unrighteousness....shall i go on? Yes on this side of heaven it is possible to be saved, and sin. Our ultimate deliverance will be when we are glorified; Romans 8. Are you saying you don't sin? Ever? I have a few verses for you if you think you don't sin at all.

 

[Zachary]

... restoration is possible through sorrowful repentance.

RE: sorrowful repentance, ever met anyone who appreciates 2 Cor 7:8-10?
.

 

[Zachary]

Jesus takes our sin when we are born again....2 Cor 5:21.
We have his righteousness.

Yes, Jesus takes our PAST sins when we are born again!

“… forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NLT)
The other translations agree …
old sins (NKJV, RSV) ✸ former sins (NASB, ESV) ✸ past sins (NIV, HCSB)
.

 

[Nondenom40]

Yes, Jesus takes our PAST sins when we are born again!

“… forgetting that they have been cleansed from their old sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NLT)
The other translations agree …
old sins (NKJV, RSV) ✸ former sins (NASB, ESV) ✸ past sins (NIV, HCSB)
.

If youre saved, how many of your sins were in the future when Jesus went to the cross?

 

[Nancy]

If youre saved, how many of your sins were in the future when Jesus went to the cross?

Ha, you sound like a teacher I love, Andrew Farley...he say's that all the time!

 

[Nondenom40]

Ha, you sound like a teacher I love, Andrew Farley...he say's that all the time!

Thank you. Sometimes its the simple explanations huh?

 

[Nancy]

Thank you. Sometimes its the simple explanations huh?

For sure!

 

[07-07-07]

Um, the Holy Spirit lives in sinful people. Our sin is forgiven, our certificate of debt is nailed to the cross but we still sin. We aren't slaves to sin, we have been given His righteousness, He has cleansed us from all unrighteousness....shall i go on? Yes on this side of heaven it is possible to be saved, and sin. Our ultimate deliverance will be when we are glorified; Romans 8. Are you saying you don't sin? Ever? I have a few verses for you if you think you don't sin at all.

There's a difference between willful sin and ignorant sin. The latter can be purged as we are sanctified, which is a process, but the former is not acceptable to God.

 

[07-07-07]

If youre saved, how many of your sins were in the future when Jesus went to the cross?

It sounds like you're trying to find a side door into Heaven. If God allowed willful sinners into Heaven, it would quickly become contaminated like earth; that would be no Heaven at all. But thanks be to God that willful sinners are not allowed in. If God spared not the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment, we need not think that He will spare us.

2 Peter 2
[4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
[5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
[6] And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
[7] And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
[8] (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
[9] The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: