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Why do you mock what God commanded?ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Maybe it's why God commanded to love, not know it all.Episkopos said:
Abel knew because the spirit witnessed that he was accepted and forgiven; Cain did not receive that witness of forgiveness.Episkopos said:
What type of blessing are you talking about? Can you explain that a bit more?
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Like walking in the light...or some other spiritual experience...the joy of the Lord! In any case fire will come down from heaven in some form that will reward the faith that has touched God.
Rom.8:32...." If God did not spare His Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also FREELY gives us ALL things? (NKJ). Do we really give God all of anything? We receive all from God freely by faith. If by "all" you are referring to the acceptance of His blessings by faith, then no problem. Paul asked the Galatians if they received the Spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith. He did not mention the word "all". Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Like I said before, it is a bit of an abstract term to therefore determine that Abraham gave all of his belief. How can anyone prove this?Episkopos said:
As you quoted from James 1:6, we ask God without wavering. This is the terminology we can find in scripture. Why change the wording? Did James say "with all unwavering" ?
Ultimately what we are to give God is our faith. We are to accept Him at His word and accept that He is good and gives all things freely by grace. We are not to waver, as the Galatians did.
One thing that is different about our religion is grace. Life is a free gift. Another thing that is different about our religion is a personal relationship with our creator through the indwelling of His Spirit. And yes, there are many who go about not having this relationship. Our message to them is not to give all, but to accept His offer. Our message is to receive, not to give. The emphasis is to be on what God is giving, not what we are giving. We are not the givers. We are the receivers.
As far as being prepared for good works, that is another subject. Do we give all? Not everyone. In terms of our life, I doubt anyone can give all 24/7...365..all the time. It is a good thing for us that the measure of our works has nothing to do with our salvation.
Cheers, Howie
'Walking in the light' can be a subjective experience; all religions lead to 'some other spiritual experience' and some type of joy.Episkopos said:
It sounds like you consider experience to be the witness of the spirit. Perhaps your giving 100% really means that you give until you get the experience you need.
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. We need empowerment to be holy as God is holy....so you can call overcoming sin a religious experience if you wish...but obedience to God can only happen when we receive grace from heaven. You will never stop being the carnal man until you indeed walk in the Spirit the way Jesus and all the saints did on earth.
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Just read the bible without any religious indoctrination or denominational slant and you will see that miraculous power is what the gospel is all about! The power of a new life IN Christ.
What do you do with all the verses I posted? Do they not apply to you? Or maybe just left-handed plumbers from Romania perhaps? ;)
I would venture to say most people don't understand what the gospel of Christ even is........ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
They make it all about them - "my salvation".
Christ empowers us, to do His will, provides grace to keep from sinning.
1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
The ability to not sin and endure comes out of 'my salvation'. They are not mutually exclusive... but then you weren't really clear what you meant by 'my salvation'.Levi said:
So you do believe we endure and can remain sinless!!!!ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Now you're getting somewhere! :)
Those verses apply to me and I don't deny them. I don't have any religious or denominational slant because I didn't learn what I know from any organization or denomination.Episkopos said:
Define sinlessLevi said:
completely mature.ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
James refers to this:
James 1:4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
Yes! This is exactly what God has said we should be!Episkopos said:
Holy doesn't preclude sinfulness. The priests who attended the altar were holy, yet sinful beings.Episkopos said:
Well obviously the people to whom James was writing weren't perfect (mature), otherwise he wouldn't have directed them to persevere so that could be perfect.Levi said:
Are you completely mature?
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