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  1. Earburner

    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    101G,
    I have informed you earlier, that the book of Daniel was for the people of Israel, AS THE book of Revelation, is now for the church of Christ. At the moment, you are not hearing what I am saying.
    However, the differences in our understanding, is due to the fact that I am teaching the Amillennial view.

    Earburner's reply to "101G":
    1. In Dan. 12:2, the angel is speaking about the people of Daniel: "thy people", during the time when Israel once was the KoG on this present earth
    Please notice that the angel in Dan. 12, does not say that all (thy people) shall awake, but rather only "many", which is to say that they who are not of that many, did not awake, but rather remain dead in their graves.

    We see that prophecy fulfilled in Mat. 27
    [ 50 ] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
    [ 51 ] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
    [ 52 ] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
    [ 53 ] And came out of the graves after his resurrection , and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

    The "many of them (thy people)" that are mentioned in Dan. 12, are the "some", who died in faith believing of the Messiah to come, but had died before the time that Jesus did come, and were awakened (resurrected) in Christ's Resurrection, Who himself is "the First Resurrection".

    2. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the [symbolic] thousand years [of God's Age of Grace] were finished.
    "The first resurrection", who is Jesus, involves:
    A. The many of the OT Saints who slept, "arose" in the first resurrection, being that of Jesus.
    B. All the Saints, since Pentecost, who have recieved the Gift of His Holy Spirit, is the SEAL OF PROMISE, assuring us that we are spiritually "risen with Christ", and also shall be resurrected bodily.
    We, the church of God's Age of Grace, are the very people, who are the rest of the dead, who will not live again, until the symbolic thousand years of God's Age of Grace are finished.

    3. Q. What shall come to pass, that shall reveal that the Age of God's Grace (symbolic 1000 years) will have become "finished"?
    A. It is now being revealed, that many people are proving to be void of simple faith in God, "to believe that God is". Most people now believe in "Evolutionism", being opposed to "Creationism".

    In the 1800s two major developments took place, the "increase of knowledge", for technical wonders, and "the Great Awakening", giving the rise to many false prophets and false teachers, causing many to "fall away". 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
    1 Timothy 4 [ 1 ] Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter time s some shall depart from *the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
    (*note- "the common faith"- Titus 1:4)

    Simply put: before the Lord can or shall return in all His Glory, in flaming fire, "
    that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,...", of which we are now in!
    2 Thessalonians 2:3

    4. Yes! "The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years (of God's Age of Grace) are finished.
    5. On the contrary, it appears that you may be the one who is lacking!
    6. I have explained it in the above.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    If you believe in amillennialism, you believe the millennium started after Christ's ascension, right? Well, scripture also teaches that during the millennium, Satan will be bound. That is far from true, isn't it?
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    Absoutely not! First one has to understand is from what nation is satan is "bound" from decieving.
    Here are two KJV scriptural truths to think on:
    1 Peter 2:9
    Matthew 24:24
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    ^ And yes, the symbolic 1000 years began on Pentecost.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Symbolic?
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Hi Earburner,

    Nation singular?

    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

    After satan is no longer bound, then he will deceive the nations.

    Much love!
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    That is my point! Satan has been decieving the nations, all except one, the universal and invisible "nation" of Born Again Christians (BAC), who are peppered in all the churches, that profess that Jesus is "the Lamb of God, that taketh away (removes) the sin of the world" .
    But now, ever since the 1800s, satan's ability to decieve, has now entered the visible churches, but Matthew 24:24 shall remain firm for the BAC until Jesus returns in flaming fire!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    to gather them together to battle:

    I guess we have a lot different idea of what this means.

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Does this mean that you are of the view that satan is no longer bound? Millennium over?
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    2 Peter 3[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    [8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    > And the REASON for speaking of "a thousand years" etc., is because
    1. No one knows when Jesus shall return. Even Jesus Himself did not know, only the Father.
    2. Verse 9 below:
    [9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    > IOWs, God has set no date for when Jesus shall be sent in His return, but He did provide the event that shall bring it about. Please see KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:3

    > And what shall be the results of when Jesus returns in all His Glory?
    [10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    [11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    [12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    [13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
    > So then, my question to you and all is this:
    Are you looking for and hastening for the TRUTH of
    2 Peter 3:10-13, or are you looking for the LIE of a religiously concocted false belief, of a "Millennium"
    on earth with disobedient, "flesh and blood" people, who supposedly and miracurously "escaped" the wrath of 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, of whom cannot ever be saved?
     
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    The words I have made red in your quoted post below are in error:
    First in [red]: A thousand years with men is not what it is with the God. The term is rather a figure of speech translating the timeless things of God into terms that men can relate to, but spiritually means "forever."

    Second: The kingdom of God had not come upon the earth until Christ came in the flesh.

    Third: We the church are not the rest of the dead, but are "those who are alive and remain", those who have [already] "passed from death to life."

    Fourth: It is not just now or even in the 1800s that the falling away has occurred, but since the fall of all mankind. It is rather in that timelessness of God, that all men fell in one man, and also raised in One man...even before the foundation of the world, that is before time. Thus, making true "the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." All in the One begotten Son.
     
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    Earburner Well-Known Member

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    You are not hearing what I am saying.
    Yes, satan is, and has been gathering the nations of the world to battle, but not that one "holy nation" that IS NOT of this world, who are known as Born Again Christians.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Actually, Earburner, I am hearing what you are saying. Why do you say otherwise? Because I have a different view I'm deaf?
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    OK, but this is a compex question which renders it impossible to correctly answer, and therefore does not advance the discussion. You really aren't saying much more than that I either agree with your view or I'm a fool, purposely choosing what I know is a lie.

    Right.

    Jesus returns. Israel is gathered. Jesus sits on His throne. The nations are gathered. Jesus judges the nations. The unrighteous - those who did not care for the Jews - are sent away. The righteous - those who did care for the Jews, are welcomed into the kingdom. These are they who repopulate the earth in the 1000 year kingdom

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Hi Earburner,

    I'm curious what actual Biblical evidence you see for the 1000 years in Revelation 20 NOT being an actual 1000 years.

    Let me ask you . . . IF God DID want to say there would be a kingdom upon the earth that would last 1000 years, how do you suppose He would say it?

    Much love!
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    FALSE. There can be no symbolism regarding this since "a (one) thousand years" (Gk chilia ete) appears SIX TIMES IN SEVEN VERSES.

    As to "rest of the dead" it is simply a reference to the unsaved dead, who will experience the resurrection unto damnation.
     
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    There is a great misunderstanding with this thousand year term, that should not be so. Peter clarified the matter...it is not the same meaning for God as it is for men.

    God has been speaking to children, in the best words for children to understand. But because His thoughts of eternity and forever are so much higher than that of children's ability to grasp, He has use a figure of speech. The subject in all of those six times you mentioned, is: forever. In our maturity, we are not to go against Peter's counsel and consider a thousand years literally a thousand years. We are rather, to become more like Him, to decrease in our childish ways and understanding, and mature and increase in our understanding of what was first spoke to children. The end of which leaves all things in the context of "forever." It's time we understood that.
     
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    That is not correct. Such would even condemn "the dead in Christ."

    Those who "believe" but die physical death, are not condemned. The "rest of the dead" are rather (simply), those who are not dead, but asleep; those that were not apart of the first resurrection, and those who are not "alive and remain."
     
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    We are to rightly divide the Word of Truth, which means we are to know when a number is to be taken literally, and when it is to be taken metaphorically. The sequence of events in Revelation 20 compels us to take 1,000 years literally.

    REVELATION 20

    THERE IS A LITERAL BOTTOMLESS PIT
    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

    SATAN IS BOUND AND CONFINED FOR 1000 YEARS
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    SATAN WILL NOT DECEIVE MEN FOR 1000 YEARS
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    CHRIST AND THE SAINTS WILL REIGN FOR 1000 YEARS
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    THE UNSAVED DEAD WILL BE RAISED AFTER 1000 YEARS
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    THE SAINTS WILL CERTAINLY REIGN FOR 1000 YEARS
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    SATAN WILL BE LOOSED AFTER 1000 YEARS
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    THE BATTLE OF GOG AND MAGOG WILL FOLLOW
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Here are "the rest of the dead":

    And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Rev 20:12)
     
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