justbyfaith
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Chapter and verse, please.Did you know that God's seal is embodied in the Sabbath Commandment?
I'm not saying you're wrong; I just want to be the Berean and do the study for myself.
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Chapter and verse, please.Did you know that God's seal is embodied in the Sabbath Commandment?
In another thread this was the discussion I though deserved its own thread.
@justbyfaith made some unbiblical claims against Jesus below in response to Watersong.
@WaterSong said
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2: 27-28 If anyone had a right to "work" on Sabbath day it was he.
In doing this he demonstrated doing the work of God did not violate Sabbath.
@justbyfaith responds below:
That's right, He did not violate the spirit of the sabbath day laws; although He did violate the letter.
That is plain for all to see.
Exo 20:10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Jhn 5:16, And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Jhn 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jhn 5:18, Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
I consider that verse 18 is the estimation of the apostle under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Again, Romans 7:6 is paramount to our understanding here.
As well as Hebrews 7:12 and context.
Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
And here is my response to justbyfaiths unbiblical claims:
jbf has no idea of what the sabbath day means nor what work means in the commandments. Here are my top 10 reasons why below:
1- you shall not do any work- as in the same work of the other 6 days of the week
2- the Priest's " worked " in the temple on the sabbath
3- that day was a break for man from his work to devote to God
4- doing Gods work on that day is not a violation of the sabbath
5- Jesus healing the man was doing Gods work hence no violation.
6- turn your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable, and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words (Isaiah 58:13)
7- honoring and worshipping God on the sabbath is not a violation but indeed is a command which Jesus was obeying.
8- Jesus healing on the sabbath was fulfilled the Sabbaths design not breaking its command
9- Jesus answers His self righteous critics- "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment" (John 7:23-24).
10- This is how one should look at Scripture with understanding and proper exegesis understanding its context.
BTW- Jesus did not violate the letter of the law- He fulfilled the law perfectly down to the very letter of the law. To say otherwise is to accuse Jesus of sin just like the Pharisees who were religious hypocrites did numerous time to the Son of God. He is Holy and Perfect just like the Father which is why He said My Father is working and so am I working and I only say and do what I hear and see My Father saying and doing.
hope this helps !!!
All comments, thoughts appreciated by forum members. Thanks !
Absolutely since He was the One Who made the Law in the first place.I've always understood this passage as saying that He was the ultimate arbiter of what actually constituted work on the Sabbath.
And it only substantiates my viewpoint that Jesus re-defined the law (Hebrews 7:12) so that we are not any longer bound by the letter but will be obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).Absolutely since He was the One Who made the Law in the first place.
Thank you for your curiosity jbf.Chapter and verse, please.
I'm not saying you're wrong; I just want to be the Berean and do the study for myself.
THE Sabbath was instituted at Creation.....as was Marriage (btw, interesting connection)I'm not sure what Paul was getting at, but I do know there are different sabbaths.
It shall be "A" sabbath to you.. this is not the 7th day Sabbath.
You have to go back to the "law" of Moses and the "Levitical" laws to find them.
Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Exo 12:40 Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.
Exo 12:41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.
Exo 12:42 It is a night to be much observed unto the LORD for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: this is that night of the LORD to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.
Exo 12:43 And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
Exo 12:44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Jesus removed the part about strangers.. uncircumcised.. being able to take part in the, ultimately the resurrection.
Which is what the Resurrection is, our being free from the bondage and slavery of sin. The night you came out of Egypt.
What Paul is saying is,
No one has the right to say you can't be partakers in the Passover or any of the Holy Days just because you are a Gentile or uncircumcised.
But somebody twisted it all and now they say there are no more Holy Days..
We made NEW Holidays...
well God got something to say about those as well..
Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Notice he doesn't say MY, he says YOURS,
Just saying...
I am neither Jew nor Gentile.
I belong to the Lord.
Amen
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That's correct. I already pointed this out to him, but do you think he learns any lessons?jbf has no idea of what the sabbath day means nor what work means in the commandments.
That's correct. I already pointed this out to him, but do you think he learns any lessons?
no- is unteachable and refuses any correction.That's correct. I already pointed this out to him, but do you think he learns any lessons?
Colossians 2:16In another thread this was the discussion I though deserved its own thread.
@justbyfaith made some unbiblical claims against Jesus below in response to Watersong.
@WaterSong said
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2: 27-28 If anyone had a right to "work" on Sabbath day it was he.
In doing this he demonstrated doing the work of God did not violate Sabbath.
@justbyfaith responds below:
That's right, He did not violate the spirit of the sabbath day laws; although He did violate the letter.
That is plain for all to see.
Exo 20:10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Jhn 5:16, And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Jhn 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jhn 5:18, Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
I consider that verse 18 is the estimation of the apostle under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Again, Romans 7:6 is paramount to our understanding here.
As well as Hebrews 7:12 and context.
Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
And here is my response to justbyfaiths unbiblical claims:
jbf has no idea of what the sabbath day means nor what work means in the commandments. Here are my top 10 reasons why below:
1- you shall not do any work- as in the same work of the other 6 days of the week
2- the Priest's " worked " in the temple on the sabbath
3- that day was a break for man from his work to devote to God
4- doing Gods work on that day is not a violation of the sabbath
5- Jesus healing the man was doing Gods work hence no violation.
6- turn your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable, and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words (Isaiah 58:13)
7- honoring and worshipping God on the sabbath is not a violation but indeed is a command which Jesus was obeying.
8- Jesus healing on the sabbath was fulfilled the Sabbaths design not breaking its command
9- Jesus answers His self righteous critics- "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? Do not judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment" (John 7:23-24).
10- This is how one should look at Scripture with understanding and proper exegesis understanding its context.
BTW- Jesus did not violate the letter of the law- He fulfilled the law perfectly down to the very letter of the law. To say otherwise is to accuse Jesus of sin just like the Pharisees who were religious hypocrites did numerous time to the Son of God. He is Holy and Perfect just like the Father which is why He said My Father is working and so am I working and I only say and do what I hear and see My Father saying and doing.
hope this helps !!!
All comments, thoughts appreciated by forum members. Thanks !
And Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. It all points to Him in the O.T.Colossians 2:16
This scripture does indeed show that we are not to let anyone judge us in regard to a sabbath day; which indicates that any judgment of us in regard to a sabbath day is unfounded.Colossians 2:16
And Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. It all points to Him in the O.T.
Jesus said the OT was about Himself
Luke 24:25-27
25 And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 " Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
John 5:39-40
39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Luke 24:44-45
44Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
hope this helps !!!
If that were true he would not be telling Christians that they were mere shadows, and that the reality is Christ. Paul was definitely not a hypocrite.Paul was still keeping the Sabbath and the feasts and the Holy Days.
With God there is no such thing as a "new understanding". So there would be none for the God-Man Christ....according to His new understanding as both God and man.
The mere shadow was Gentiles being judged for keeping the Holy Days.If that were true he would not be telling Christians that they were mere shadows, and that the reality is Christ. Paul was definitely not a hypocrite.