The Sabbath Day

[Robert Gwin]

Amen Barn, when everlasting life is on the line, there are no stupid questions sir. In fact I truly appreciate your asking me, and allowing me to bear testimony for my God on those concerns.

I may not agree with everything you offer, but I like your attitude.[/QUOTE]


Posted to the wrong guy Brake, maybe he will see it, but you might want to post it to him

 

[Robert Gwin]

Not according to the Bible. "For we consider that a person is declared righteous by faith apart from the works of the law." Romans 3:28

"For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would inherit the world was not fulfilled through the law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith." Romans 4:13

"Therefore, since we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Romans 5:1

"Now it is clear no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous one will live by faith." Galatians 3:11

"Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith." Galatians 3:24

"But my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, I take no pleasure in him." Hebrews 10:38

"By faith Abel offered God a greater sacrifice than Cain, and through his faith he was commended as righteous, because God commended him for his offerings. And through his faith he still speaks, though he is dead." Hebrews 11:4

"By faith Noah, when he was warned about things not yet seen, with reverent regard constructed an ark for the deliverance of his family. Through faith he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith." Hebrews 11:7

Clearly, what one does is what not what makes one righteous. Righteousness is by faith.

So, why do you work for God Jim? You do realize the Bible states that Abraham was declared righteous by works correct? You see Jim, there were a growing number of people in the faith that were reading into what the scripture really teaches as you are doing, so James, Jesus own brother was inspired to pen God's words to us to make it fully understood. It is not hard, do you get the sense of this:
(James 2:21-23) . . .Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,” and he came to be called Jehovah’s friend.

That my friend, is the real truth. In these last days true Christians live the faith Isa 2:3, literally walking in God's paths.

 

[Brakelite]

When I posted this my friend, it was to you, and I meant every word

I may not agree with everything you offer, but I like your attitude.

The other section was something you said to Barney, which he was quoting. Yeah, I know, it was a little confusing. But my initial statement stands.

 

[Jim B]

While we are not under the Laws of Moses (the 613), or the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, etcetera (Romans 6:14) (Colossians 2:16) (Acts of the Apostles 13:39) (Acts of the Apostles 15:1) (Acts of the Apostles 15:5) (Acts of the Apostles 15:24), we do have to live holy (and keep the commands of Christ and His apostles) after we are saved by God’s grace. (1 Corinthians 9:21). Paul himself said he was not without the Law of God and that he was under the Law of Christ. To say so otherwise goes against the words of Jesus and His followers.

Paul says,

“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,…” (1 Timothy 6:3-4).​

James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

To deny holy living for salvation means one can live like the devil and be saved. If no holy living of any kind plays a part in salvation, then a person can be a porn star, an axe murderer, a thief, and be saved all because they have a belief alone in Jesus as their Savior. This is what you are promoting (even though you are double minded and you try to double talk your way out of it by saying the believer is changed and lives holy against their free will; But you really don’t believe they will live holy because you think 1 John 1:8 is a banner flag of how the believer must sin either daily, weekly, or monthly the rest of their life). For if a child heard your message and you never seen them again, they could turn out to be the next George Sodini who was a Once Saved Always Saved believing Christian who killed a bunch of people and then took his own life (thinking he was saved). Remember what Jesus said about if you lead a child into sin? That is what your doctrine does, dear sir. It justifies sin and evil under God’s grace. But God’s grace is not a license for immorality (Jude 1:4 NIV). Paul asks, shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul says, God forbid (Romans 6:1-2). But your doctrine allows you to continue in sin so that grace may abound.

(1 Timothy 6:3-4).

<snip> Your post is truncated to fit the size requirements of my reply, not to edit it.

While I agree with you in principle, the Bible says that Christians are led by the Holy Spirit, who Jesus gave us to be our guide. We are not saved by our works, but the doing of good works comes naturally as a result of the Holy Spirit's guiding. Romans 2:14-16 expresses this perfectly: "For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, these who do not have the law are a law to themselves. They show that the work of the law is written in their hearts, as their conscience bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or else defend them, on the day when God will judge the secrets of human hearts, according to my gospel through Christ Jesus." We are never led by the Holy Spirit into doing evil. Everyone sins, but that is different from intentional sin.

I don't agree with the idea of following commandments, as they are external. The OT law instructed the (unsaved) Israelites about how to behave, and those laws actually apply to all the unsaved (because they are all under sin). However, since we have been given the Holy Spirit, the need for an external control is no longer there.

When you walk into a store, do you need to be told by a sign "do not steal"? If you having dinner with your neighbors, do you need to be told not to lust after your neighbor's wife? If you have a dispute with someone, do you need to be told not to commit murder? There are people who do steal, commit adultery, and commit murder, but clearly they are not guided by the Holy Spirit.

You wrote that "Paul himself said he was not without the Law of God and that he was under the Law of Christ". He also wrote, "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God." Romans 7:4 and "Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?" Galatians 3:5 and "For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.” Now it is clear no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous one will live by faith. But the law is not based on faith, but the one who does the works of the law will live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us (because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”) in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we could receive the promise of the Spirit by faith." Galatians 3:10-14

Finally, I think you're "going overboard" when you write "To deny holy living for salvation means one can live like the devil and be saved. If no holy living of any kind plays a part in salvation, then a person can be a porn star, an axe murderer, a thief, and be saved all because they have a belief alone in Jesus as their Savior." Holy living comes naturally to those given the Holy Spirit. Even if one sins (which we all do), that doesn't mean that s/he is a porn star, an axe murderer, or a thief.

Christians have been given an internal guide to how we should live and most of us do our best.

 

[Jim B]

So, why do you work for God Jim? You do realize the Bible states that Abraham was declared righteous by works correct? You see Jim, there were a growing number of people in the faith that were reading into what the scripture really teaches as you are doing, so James, Jesus own brother was inspired to pen God's words to us to make it fully understood. It is not hard, do you get the sense of this:
(James 2:21-23) . . .Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,” and he came to be called Jehovah’s friend.

That my friend, is the real truth. In these last days true Christians live the faith Isa 2:3, literally walking in God's paths.

That is simply your opinion, not "the real truth" and I disagree with it. I have news for you: you are not the embodiment of truth!

Paul wrote this to the church at Ephesus: "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:7-9

So, I believe what Paul wrote, not your opinion. Period. One's behavior may be a sign of their being led by the Spirit, but nobody gets any "points" from God, by doing "works".

Here is more: "Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded! By what principle? Of works? No, but by the principle of faith!" Ephesians 3:27

"What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has discovered regarding this matter? For if Abraham was declared righteous by works, he has something to boast about—but not before God. For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation. But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous, his faith is credited as righteousness. So even David himself speaks regarding the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works" Romans 4:1-6

"Not only that, but when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our ancestor Isaac— even before they were born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose in election would stand, not by works but by his calling)" Romans 9:10-11

"So in the same way at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if it is by grace, it is no longer by works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace." Romans 11:5-6

You should read this from James' epistle: "But if you fulfill the royal law as expressed in this scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show prejudice, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as violators." You are clearly showing prejudice. Works don't save you!!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Free 'IF' the sword of Damocles dangles over one's head?

If that is what you think- that is your issue.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Where did you get these definitions? Here is one that I found online...

Liberal Christianity is the faith practiced by most mainline Protestants, including adherents of the United Church of Canada, the United Church of Christ (U.S.), Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and others. In addition, many Roman Catholics in North America are liberal Christians, given their open-minded interpretation of church teachings.

... that describes my faith.

I am a liberal; I believe that...

1. Scripture is the Word of God.
2. I do not discriminate against anyone because of their sexual preference. Do you approve of adulterers or people who watch porn? You didn't mention them. Jesus said to love your neighbor and didn't mention homosexuality even once.
3. I am "pro-choice", as I don't believe that the government should interfere in any person's medical decisions. I don't approve of women (or teenagers) having their lives threatened by dangerous pregnancies, e.g., ectopic pregnancies, nor do I approve of women being forced to give birth because of rape or incest.
4. There is only one way to salvation: Jesus Christ.

As I said, I am a liberal. You can believe me or what you read online.

Suppose that I said that you approve of unlimited gun ownership, even if it results in mass murder of grade school children. Would that be accurate? (Same principle!)

Well I am not the morality police. people in the world are not my concern. but if one calls themselves a believer and they practice homosexuality, fornication, adultery, pedophilia, bestiality or are an unrepentant porn watcher, they need to change their mind or be removed from the church! There is no room for compromise here. If one is struggling and recognizes the sin in these, we are to come alongside and help them grow out of these.

Outside of a pregnancy where the mother will die if she carries to term ( my wife had a tubal and had to have an abortion) Aborting a baby for any other reason is murder. Rape and incest are horrific crimes and sin, but murdering the baby inside the womb only adds sin of murder to the conscience of the already damaged soul of the woman.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, you just can't tolerate the Bible.

You have a set belief system, that is steeped in church teaching that contradicts God's Word, and you can't manage to part from that.

That's all.

Lying is so unbecoming on you!

I love teh Word and I teach from gods Word as written, not reinterpreted from men.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You answer—Give me a break.
'Copy and paste' is more like it, and then shout a pre-pubescent line or two.
Accuse me of the exact thing you're doing. Playground stuff.
Why should I answer the same verses twice?
If you're just gonna phone this stuff in maybe we should call it a day.
What I'm seeing is the garden-variety hit-and-run on the Sabbath.
I don't see any splinter in anyone's eye; we're talking about the manner of discussion here.
I'm not accusing anybody of any moral failure.
Enough with the crybaby routine, already (I suppose this will precipitate an emotional crisis).

Wow you need some help.

I didn't know you were posting under two names. Seeing as I was posting to "Q" and not you . Have you been desginated their public defender?

Well I copy and paste verses, get over it. I asked "Q" to respond not you . but why don't you answer those verses as you have not answered them to me as of yet if you want to whine about it.

 

[BarneyFife]

Wow you need some help.

I didn't know you were posting under two names. Seeing as I was posting to "Q" and not you . Have you been desginated their public defender?

Well I copy and paste verses, get over it. I asked "Q" to respond not you . but why don't you answer those verses as you have not answered them to me as of yet if you want to whine about it.

So then you do not eat shellfish?
You do not wear mixed fabrics?
You do no labor on Saturday?
You do not eat pork?
Nor scaleless fish?

or any of the other 613 commands god instructed to Moses for Gods people to obey? After all these are Scripture as well and the only Scripture available in Pauls time! Either Gods Word is settled in heaven or it is not! so do you obey all those other Laws?

But as for the command written in stone? Paul had this to say about them:

2 Corinthians 3:7-12
King James Version

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:


He said the laws in stone is a ministration of death!

ALSO:

Romans 14
King James Version

14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.



So Sorry, but the church has no Sabbath.

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I don't eat creeping things and unclean things because I don't want to waste away miserably for years in assisted care because, by overdosing on cholesterol, parasites, and arachidonic acid, I effectively committed slow suicide on the layaway plan.

The mixed fabrics and all the other odd things people like to bring up to object to Sabbath-keeping are about ceremonial purity, which was fulfilled in Christ.

I do no labor on the Sabbath except that which is necessary to sustain life, health, and spirituality.
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The 613 "Mitzvot" thing is bogus because even the Jewish rabbinical order can't agree on what constitutes it.

I hold fast to that which is good and rely on the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ alone for the ministration of my title to citizenship in the Kingdom of God.

Do "New Covenant" evangelicals adhere to the 1050 commands given in the New Testament (Covenant)?
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If you can demonstrate to me an exegetical reconciliation of 2 Corinthians 3 with the same penman's words in Romans 7 and Romans 8 concerning the writing on tables of stone, I'll be glad to discuss this passage with you.
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Romans 14 is about judging and despising, neither of which I'm of a mind to do.

But sin is to be made plain to the sinner (which is simply an application of the Golden Rule—I would want someone to tell me if I were sinning out of ignorance). It is the transgression of the law, the 4th article of which is:

Exodus 20
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

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The church has had a Sabbath for 6000 years. That is why folks can almost nowhere enter a bank or post office on Sunday. Why deny reality and obvious evidence? All of this general anti-Sabbath sentiment is a post-modern construct. The idea of the church being out of the loop on their duty to God as regards the 4th commandment for nearly 2000 years is simply ludicrous.

That is our goal to show we are righteous because of christ!


But what say you about Paul's dictate on the laws written in stone?

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
King James Version

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Or Paul talking about observing a day?

Romans 14
King James Version

14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

And please don't say it is about feast DAYS! I think god is smart enough to make the word day plural when He inspired it to be written.

Wow you need some help.

I didn't know you were posting under two names. Seeing as I was posting to "Q" and not you . Have you been desginated their public defender?

Well I copy and paste verses, get over it. I asked "Q" to respond not you . but why don't you answer those verses as you have not answered them to me as of yet if you want to whine about it.

I don't understand what's going on here, Ron.
This is nonsense. You're just trolling.

 

[BarneyFife]

I never met David, but we had a very good common friend in NZ until he passed away a few years ago with cancer. He used to take David fly fishing, but our friend was also an exceptional Bible student. I can imagine he and David having some great conversations.
I have a friend here who every day sends me at least 2 sermons from Audio verse. But I never knew that resource existed until 2 years ago. What a wealth of writers and preachers we have had, and still have. We have no excuses for neglecting so great salvation.

Have you seen this?

American Christian Ministries - aka American Cassette Ministries

 

[GEN2REV]

I love teh Word and I teach from gods Word as written, not reinterpreted from men.

Ron, buddy, you teach only traditions of men.

 

[Brakelite]

Have you seen this?

American Christian Ministries - aka American Cassette Ministries

No. Now added to homescreen.

 

[BarneyFife]

Like pastor Bohr???

God on Trial

Secrets Unsealed - Anchor School Of Theology

 

[Robert Gwin]

When I posted this my friend, it was to you, and I meant every word

The other section was something you said to Barney, which he was quoting. Yeah, I know, it was a little confusing. But my initial statement stands.

Well then thank you very much for your kind comment sir.

 

[Robert Gwin]

That is simply your opinion, not "the real truth" and I disagree with it. I have news for you: you are not the embodiment of truth!

Paul wrote this to the church at Ephesus: "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:7-9

So, I believe what Paul wrote, not your opinion. Period. One's behavior may be a sign of their being led by the Spirit, but nobody gets any "points" from God, by doing "works".

Here is more: "Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded! By what principle? Of works? No, but by the principle of faith!" Ephesians 3:27

"What then shall we say that Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh, has discovered regarding this matter? For if Abraham was declared righteous by works, he has something to boast about—but not before God. For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation. But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous, his faith is credited as righteousness. So even David himself speaks regarding the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works" Romans 4:1-6

"Not only that, but when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our ancestor Isaac— even before they were born or had done anything good or bad (so that God’s purpose in election would stand, not by works but by his calling)" Romans 9:10-11

"So in the same way at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if it is by grace, it is no longer by works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace." Romans 11:5-6

You should read this from James' epistle: "But if you fulfill the royal law as expressed in this scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show prejudice, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as violators." You are clearly showing prejudice. Works don't save you!!!

Not me I am trying to promote Jim, and you are absolutely correct I am far from the embodiment of truth, yet still an infant in the truth, so I certainly wouldn't believe me on face value, however the Bible is the truth sir, and it can overturn strongly entrenched beliefs, you believe very strongly that faith is all that is needed, and I agreed that you cannot work your way into salvation, yet you work, I see you bearing testimony, which is the assigned work of Christians sir Mat 28:19,20; therefore I have to assume you have some kind of grasp on the need for obedience in relation to salvation. I posted you the inspired writings of James that he presented to very ones who were claiming what you are, and Jehovah through him made it to be easily understood, but it seems that you do not want it that way. I can say no more sir, as I will say one last time, capable ones must observe Gods commandments 1 Jn 5:3; and I believe like the verse says, they are not burdensome.

 

[Brakelite]

Not me I am trying to promote Jim, and you are absolutely correct I am far from the embodiment of truth, yet still an infant in the truth, so I certainly wouldn't believe me on face value, however the Bible is the truth sir, and it can overturn strongly entrenched beliefs, you believe very strongly that faith is all that is needed, and I agreed that you cannot work your way into salvation, yet you work, I see you bearing testimony, which is the assigned work of Christians sir Mat 28:19,20; therefore I have to assume you have some kind of grasp on the need for obedience in relation to salvation. I posted you the inspired writings of James that he presented to very ones who were claiming what you are, and Jehovah through him made it to be easily understood, but it seems that you do not want it that way. I can say no more sir, as I will say one last time, capable ones must observe Gods commandments 1 Jn 5:3; and I believe like the verse says, they are not burdensome.

It is no accident that a NT maxim says... The doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:13

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[Jim B]

Well I am not the morality police. people in the world are not my concern. but if one calls themselves a believer and they practice homosexuality, fornication, adultery, pedophilia, bestiality or are an unrepentant porn watcher, they need to change their mind or be removed from the church! There is no room for compromise here. If one is struggling and recognizes the sin in these, we are to come alongside and help them grow out of these.

Outside of a pregnancy where the mother will die if she carries to term ( my wife had a tubal and had to have an abortion) Aborting a baby for any other reason is murder. Rape and incest are horrific crimes and sin, but murdering the baby inside the womb only adds sin of murder to the conscience of the already damaged soul of the woman.

Do you understand the principle of reductio ad absurdem? To whom are you referring when you describe believers who "practice homosexuality, fornication, adultery, pedophilia, bestiality or are an unrepentant porn watcher"? Do you know any such person or do they simply exist in your fertile imagination? I don't believe you when you write "If one is struggling and recognizes the sin in these, we are to come alongside and help them grow out of these', as you are clearly judging and condemning them instead of loving them (as Jesus commanded).

Your concept of abortion outside of a mother dying is naive. (BTW, if your wife's fetus was aborted, isn't that murder? If not, what other exceptions are okay with you?) Have your ever heard of fetal anomalies in which the fetus, when born, has zero chance of survival? For example, a fetus that has lungs which will never function normally? Would you like to witness that baby struggle for breath until it dies within a few minutes? How about a fetus with an abnormal heart that guarantees certain death?

What you're doing is implying that the woman and her physician are murderers, so demonic that they are incapable of making difficult decisions for all concerned. Should a girl/woman be forced to give birth to and raise a child that is the result of rape or incest?

Who made you and others judge and jury?

 

[Jim B]

Not me I am trying to promote Jim, and you are absolutely correct I am far from the embodiment of truth, yet still an infant in the truth, so I certainly wouldn't believe me on face value, however the Bible is the truth sir, and it can overturn strongly entrenched beliefs, you believe very strongly that faith is all that is needed, and I agreed that you cannot work your way into salvation, yet you work, I see you bearing testimony, which is the assigned work of Christians sir Mat 28:19,20; therefore I have to assume you have some kind of grasp on the need for obedience in relation to salvation. I posted you the inspired writings of James that he presented to very ones who were claiming what you are, and Jehovah through him made it to be easily understood, but it seems that you do not want it that way. I can say no more sir, as I will say one last time, capable ones must observe Gods commandments 1 Jn 5:3; and I believe like the verse says, they are not burdensome.

Okay, goodbye then!