John Caldwell
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I agree. Scripture is the test. That does not justify elevating Scripture over God sending His Son. Nor does that justify rejecting the power and work of God.
The Scriptures are God's Greatest Gift to Mankind
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you do not find Paul saying any such thing in Romans 1, or Romans 10:9-17
He indicates they have to hear the word preached and taught.
God will save every elect sheep,He is not willing that any of them perish.
Agios
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So why don't you set up all the rules for the entire world that we must follow in order to "get saved", and don't forget to let God know what those steps are, too so He doesn't miss anyone.
The Apostle Paul Used scripture all the time when presenting the gospel. And acts 17 he found people that were not familiar with scripture so he spoke of God as creator sustainer , Redeemer,and judge and he just put it in regular terms but when anyone knew the scripture he used it all the time.
In 1 cor 9, He explained he was all things to all men that he might win .
When people knew scripture he used it when he met people at work not familiar with scripture he put it in his own language but still based all of his testimony and witness on what was revealed truth revealed in scripture
In 1 cor 9, He explained he was all things to all men that he might win .
When people knew scripture he used it when he met people at work not familiar with scripture he put it in his own language but still based all of his testimony and witness on what was revealed truth revealed in scripture
God has already done that in scripture. I don't have to set up any rules.
God has given a great commission to the church and we are to go out and preach the gospel to all creatures discipling them and bring them into Kingdom life as God uses us as instruments to accomplish his will
Agios
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It sounds to me like you're making up your own rules.
Are you a New Christian? If you are not familiar with the great commission read Matthew 28
Agios
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No, I'm not a new Christian. I am referring to your post about having to hear the word of God in order to be saved. God is bigger than this, what if a person was deaf and blind? But He instinctively knew there was a God and loved what He did know about God, God can reveal Himself regardless if someone has heard or read the Bible.
Helen Keller was a prime example. She was taught how to read with her fingers so that she could have access to the gospel.
Others have been healed by the Lord so that they might hear the truth.
There is no one that seeks or knows God by himself. God has determined to save a multitude in his son and hes going to save each and every person elected to be saved.
of course God is able to save people in the womb or retarded persons or whatever but that normal way that people are saved as through preaching and teaching of the word the going above and beyond that is God's business but that's not what we're discussing .
people or perishing without the word of God and that's what they need.
Agios
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God has great mercy and millions of people have perished over the past 2,000 years, and they all knew He existed, per Romans, you would condemn them to hell?
Rom 10:13, For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14, How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15, And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:14, How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15, And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
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The unbelieving world is condemned because of their sins.jn3:17-18.
Millions have perished in their sins without knowing about Jesus.
What a holy privilege to be able to reading the Scriptures!
Psalm 119.105; John 17.17
Psalm 119.105; John 17.17
Yes.He has a single focus on the great gift of scripture that gives him all that pertains to life and godliness.
Most likely as he enjoys delighting in the scripture he is joyful in rejoicing in the promises of God,not only in this life and time, but that which is to come.
This can be an indication of grace working itself out in the life.
Those graceless professors who always find fault and speak out of both sides of their mouth never seem to realize they are still estranged from the life of a true believer.
Something is wet ,and dry at the same time!
Scripture is good but scripture is an idol?
They believe man is spiritually dead, but he did not die spiritually at the fall?
Gods wrath is revealed, but on no one at all?
A substitute is provided,but does not actually take the penalty?
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways!
John Caldwell
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Obviously Scripture is vital in the life of the believer. They are God's words to us, to His people. The epistles are addressed to the church (to the "bride"). Revelation is addressed to the churches. We cannot devalue Scripture.
But at the same time Scripture itself denies that it is the greatest gift God has given to mankind. Scripture tells us over again that the greatest gift is love. And the greatest example of this love is laying down one's own life. God is love and God loved mankind by giving His Son (and Christ by giving Himself). Christ has preeminence in all things. He is the greatest gift to man - not Scripture, not even salvation - but God Himself.
Scripture, per Scripture, is given to God's people. Even the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. Without the gifting of God Scripture would be meaningless.
The testimony can never be greater than the One of Whom it testifies.
The hypocrisy of denying Scripture to iconize Scripture is astounding. It is not only circular reasoning but it is foolishness as it denies what is written in order to make Scripture an icon. In so doing it renders the Bible meaningless, just an idol to venerate.
We have to treat Scripture as God's words, not as God Himself but as the words of a God who is eternally greater than His revelation to man. Scripture tells us about God, but it does not contain God. As Such Scripture is one of the most important gifts God has given His people. But the Bible should never be made into an idol. That is not its purpose.
But at the same time Scripture itself denies that it is the greatest gift God has given to mankind. Scripture tells us over again that the greatest gift is love. And the greatest example of this love is laying down one's own life. God is love and God loved mankind by giving His Son (and Christ by giving Himself). Christ has preeminence in all things. He is the greatest gift to man - not Scripture, not even salvation - but God Himself.
Scripture, per Scripture, is given to God's people. Even the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. Without the gifting of God Scripture would be meaningless.
The testimony can never be greater than the One of Whom it testifies.
The hypocrisy of denying Scripture to iconize Scripture is astounding. It is not only circular reasoning but it is foolishness as it denies what is written in order to make Scripture an icon. In so doing it renders the Bible meaningless, just an idol to venerate.
We have to treat Scripture as God's words, not as God Himself but as the words of a God who is eternally greater than His revelation to man. Scripture tells us about God, but it does not contain God. As Such Scripture is one of the most important gifts God has given His people. But the Bible should never be made into an idol. That is not its purpose.
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Agios
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You are not the judge and executioner (thankfully). Not everyone was privileged enough to have a Bible written in their language or even lived long enough to learn about Jesus. Men are quick to send people to hell.
Mercy is GREATER than judgement.
Strangely I never said I was.
You appear to be arguing from emotion and not scripture.
Try reading scripture and see what God has said about it.
On a thread that rejoices in scripture, try availing yourself of it.
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