The Second Coming of Christ...

[David in NJ]

LOL - this is too funny - thanks for the laugh

Yo

Interesting. You mentioned Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. All three are begotten, although not at the same time. Which means they can't be co-existent.

Therefore, claiming all three are co-existent is a false and inaccurate doctrine. Unless all three are begotten persons at the same time. Terah begat Abraham otherwise he would not exist. Abraham was begotten which means he was brought forth by Terah. Same with Isaac whom was begotten by Abraham and Jacob whom was begotten by Isaac.

Therefore, if Jesus was begotten, then he was begotten by someone who existed before he did. You don't beget something that already exists. It comes into existence. If Jesus was begotten, then at one time he was not.

Yo BroRando, What is it you cannot seem to grasp? Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are the 3 Patriarchs of FAITH of whom the nation of Israel was birthed - the twelve tribes. They are so important to us today in understanding who God is.

God told Moses this: Exodus 3:6 "I AM the God (Elohim; plural) of Abraham, the God(Elohim; plural) of Isaac, the God(Elohim; plural) of Jacob
Read Matthew 22:32

 

[David in NJ]

The created christ believers always argue with human reasoning. They apply humanism to all Scripture. So, if they can't comprehend it humanly, then it must not be so with God.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (John 1)

We are not called to believe only what we can comprehend, even as not to only believe by sight. We are called to believe what is written plainly in one place, and then be guided into all the truth of it elsewhere in Scripture.

And the best thing about God's Word, is that if we read it plainly, then we can certainly what is what: And the Word was God.

AMEN Brother - I am all about SOLA SCRIPTURA and just trusting what He told us.

 

[marks]

Yo


Yo BroRando, What is it you cannot seem to grasp? Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are the 3 Patriarchs of FAITH of whom the nation of Israel was birthed - the twelve tribes. They are so important to us today in understanding who God is.

God told Moses this: Exodus 3:6 "I AM the God (Elohim; plural) of Abraham, the God(Elohim; plural) of Isaac, the God(Elohim; plural) of Jacob
Read Matthew 22:32

And of course Jesus attested that they live to God, concurrently.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Do you SEE how the trinity is leading you away from what the Bible teaches? For one, if they are three separate persons that are co-equal, then why is Jesus handing the Kingdom over to his God and Father?

Obviously claiming God Almighty hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father is a false and inaccurate doctrine.

Your answer there is in Philippians 2, I'm sure you know about it. Jesus "took on the form of a servant", being found in fashion as a man. This is one of those places where understanding Who Jesus actually is will allow you to just read the verse "as is".

He "took on the form of a servant". Someone Who already has existance can "take on a form". In that this "taking on a form" is accomplished by "being found in fashion as a man", this Someone Who already exists does so prior to being found in fashion as a man. And that this One takes on the form of a servant, His form was not of a servant. Angels, for instance, are servants, ministering spirits to those inheriting salvation.

That He took on the form of a servant is why He is handing the keys to His Father.

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

The created christ believers always argue with human reasoning. They apply humanism to all Scripture. So, if they can't comprehend it humanly, then it must not be so with God.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (John 1)

We are not called to believe only what we can comprehend, even as not to only believe by sight. We are called to believe what is written plainly in one place, and then be guided into all the truth of it elsewhere in Scripture.

And the best thing about God's Word, is that if we read it plainly, then we can certainly what is what: And the Word was God.

Stating that three separates persons make up God and that three separate persons are really not separate is an oxymoron. Especially when confronted and exposed by scripture like "No man has seen God at ANY time" (John 1:18)

"Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power." (1 Corinthians 15:24)

A. Trinitarians make the claim God Almighty hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father.
B. Christians make the claim that Jesus Christ hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father.

 

[David in NJ]

And of course Jesus attested that they live to God, concurrently.

Much love!

Hey marks, Right on and keeping on - Thank You for that

 

[BroRando]

Your answer there is in Philippians 2, I'm sure you know about it. Jesus "took on the form of a servant", being found in fashion as a man. This is one of those places where understanding Who Jesus actually is will allow you to just read the verse "as is".

He "took on the form of a servant". Someone Who already has existance can "take on a form". In that this "taking on a form" is accomplished by "being found in fashion as a man", this Someone Who already exists does so prior to being found in fashion as a man. And that this One takes on the form of a servant, His form was not of a servant. Angels, for instance, are servants, ministering spirits to those inheriting salvation.

That He took on the form of a servant is why He is handing the keys to His Father.

Much love!

Yep, "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (Acts 27:23)

 

[David in NJ]

Yep, "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (Acts 27:23)

Yo BroRando, Why did Elohim(God) tell Moses to call Him God(Elohim) 3 times by 3 different individuals. These are the ONLY 3 men of the Old Testament by whom Elohim(God) refers Himself to.
Like WOW WOW WOW - How important are these 3 Men of Faith that Elohim(God) attaches His Name to.
Why did Elohim(God) do that ???

 

[marks]

Yep, "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (Acts 27:23)

A messenger of God . . . but not a servant prior to His Incarnation, rather, the Lord of Heaven. In these last days God as spoken to us by His Son.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yep, "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (Acts 27:23)

This is a deflection and does not address what I posted. Your answer is more like "yeah, but . . ." and doesn't address the point.

Jesus, YHWH, took on the form of a servant. Think it through, the logic is inescapable.

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

A messenger of God . . . but not a servant prior to His Incarnation, rather, the Lord of Heaven. In these last days God as spoken to us by His Son.

Much love!

You don't know that the I am is a messenger of God? Who was that messenger that recruited Saul? "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (Acts 27:23) εγω ειμι

 

[BroRando]

Yo BroRando, Why did Elohim(God) tell Moses to call Him God(Elohim) 3 times by 3 different individuals. These are the ONLY 3 men of the Old Testament by whom Elohim(God) refers Himself to.
Like WOW WOW WOW - How important are these 3 Men of Faith that Elohim(God) attaches His Name to.
Why did Elohim(God) do that ???

You might want to look up the scripture to SEE whom Moses was speaking with. (Exodus 3:2) εγω ειμι

"For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (Acts 27:23) εγω ειμι

 

[marks]

You don't know that the I am is a messenger of God? Who was that messenger that recruited Saul?

Again, you are dodging the point, misdirecting, and not giving a response. Why would that be?

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

Again, you are dodging the point, misdirecting, and not giving a response. Why would that be?

Much love!

Learn what εγω ειμι means... "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (Acts 27:23) εγω ειμι Acts 27:23 Interlinear: for there stood by me this night a messenger of God -- whose I am, and whom I serve --

 

[David in NJ]

the angel of God in Acts 27:23 is not the I AM -
"For there stood by me this night n angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve," - Acts 27:23

Angels were sent to both Peter and Paul in the book of Acts.
Angels are also sent to minister to us who are the heirs of salvation, even though we cannot see them.
Hebrews 1:13-14

 

[David in NJ]

Learn what εγω ειμι means... "For there stood by me this night an angel of the God whose I am, whom also I serve," (Acts 27:23) εγω ειμι Acts 27:23 Interlinear: for there stood by me this night a messenger of God -- whose I am, and whom I serve --

Yo BroRando, Why did Elohim(God) tell Moses to call Him God(Elohim) 3 times by 3 different individuals. These are the ONLY 3 men of the Old Testament by whom Elohim(God) refers Himself to.
Like WOW WOW WOW - How important are these 3 Men of Faith that Elohim(God) attaches His Name to.
Why did Elohim(God) do that ???

Can you please speculate on this

 

[BroRando]

the angel of God in Acts 27:23 is not the I AM -
"For there stood by me this night n angel of the God to whom I belong and whom I serve," - Acts 27:23

Angels were sent to both Peter and Paul in the book of Acts.
Angels are also sent to minister to us who are the heirs of salvation, even though we cannot see them.
Hebrews 1:13-14

Read the Greek for a word per word translation. Acts 27:23 Interlinear: for there stood by me this night a messenger of God -- whose I am, and whom I serve -- <~~~~ for there stood by me this night a messenger of God -- whose I am, and whom I serve

Doesn't Paul belong to Christ? "You look at things according to their face value. If anyone is confident in himself that he belongs to Christ, let him reflect again on this fact: Just as he belongs to Christ, so do we also." (2 Corinthians 10:2)

1 Corinthians 3:23
in turn you belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.

 

[David in NJ]

Read the Greek for a word per word translation. Acts 27:23 Interlinear: for there stood by me this night a messenger of God -- whose I am, and whom I serve -- <~~~~ for there stood by me this night a messenger of God -- whose I am, and whom I serve

Doesn't Paul belong to Christ? "You look at things according to their face value. If anyone is confident in himself that he belongs to Christ, let him reflect again on this fact: Just as he belongs to Christ, so do we also." (2 Corinthians 10:2)

1 Corinthians 3:23
in turn you belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.

Paul is not saying he belongs to the angel - He belongs to God - the angel is the messenger.

Yo Brando, my brother came to me with a message from my father to whom I belong. Both my brother and I belong to our father who begot us.

 

[BroRando]

Paul is not saying he belongs to the angel - He belongs to God - the angel is the messenger.

Yo Brando, my brother came to me with a message from my father to whom I belong. Both my brother and I belong to our father who begot us.

Imagine the Apostle Paul writing this to You...

1 Corinthians 3:23
in turn you belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.

 

[David in NJ]

OK, I agree fully with 1 Corinthians - all of it.
There are Three Persons whom God declares His Equal - the Father, the Son the Holy Spirit.
No one comes to the Father but through the Son and no one comes to the Son unless the Father calls them - the Holy Spirit will teach you all things.
Whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven.
You say "Jehovah is the true God, he is the living God, and everlasting King = this clearly speaks of the Lord Jesus Christ who is King of kings and Lord of lords and whom the earth will tremble at His Presence when He Returns for "the kings of the earth hid themselves ...and said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of His wrath has come." Revelations 6:15-17 Rev 17:14 Rev 19:11-16 Deuteronomy 10:17

"He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called the Word of God." Rev 19:13
" In the beginning was God..." Genesis 1:1
" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God... and the Word became flesh and we beheld His Glory." John 1:1-14

You can call Him Jehovah all you want - nothing wrong there but remember this - "there is no other name under heaven whereby we MUST be saved."

If you want Jehovah, God's, forgiveness you MUST come to the Son and worship the Son just as you would the Father.
"for everyone must honor the Son just as they honor the Father (Equality). He who does not honor the the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him(Equality). John 5:23
Read John chapter 5 and chapter 17