The Second Coming of Christ...

[BroRando]

The Second Coming of Christ...


For almost two thousand years, faithful followers of Jesus Christ have been in anticipation of his Second Coming. We are living at extremely exciting times as our Preaching Work comes to its end! According to Bible Prophecy, an allotment of two days of 2,000 years would need to lapse before the Second Coming is revealed to unbelievers. (Hosea 6:2, 2 Peter 3:8) Oh!! If only the ungodly would stop being stubborn, pay attention, listen, and gain the wisdom of understanding to keep on living into Christ's Millennial Reign... "Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)

Even though the Second Coming will be Invisible to the human eye, only faithful followers will perceive when Jesus became King of God's Kingdom. One more 'timed event' or prophecy would be fulfilled prior to the destruction of the wicked. Satan and his earthly kingdoms are entering their final hour since 2015 spewing demonic propaganda that they brought peace and prosperity to the earth by transforming our world by 2030, and the majority of the earth's population will be more than willing to capitulate. "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

It's imperative to build your faith now because the trigger for the Great Tribulation is an outbreak of peace. When Satan's world promotes that they achieved peace and prosperity in 2030, people will no longer have to follow any rules. Aborting unborn infant lives will become a common place as in offering up children sacrifices to their gods. No need to work. No need to pray. Government is your god in providing your wants and needs. Then comes the enforcement, perhaps a door to door check by a government agency to see if you bent your knee and have proof of your card to buy and sell. As in the Last Days of Noah, there were hybrid humans. Could their be hybrid humans today? It's possible as the Last Days of Satan's Rulership comes to an end, he would possibly be looking for a way to build his army.

Learning these things now can help you prepare for the coming events. It will take faith, but there is hope! Start preparing your heart and mind and apply the counsel from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ: "No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches. “On this account I say to you: Stop being anxious about your lives as to what you will eat or what you will drink, or about your bodies as to what you will wear. Does not life mean more than food and the body than clothing? Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are?" (Matthew 6:24-26)

"So never be anxious and say, ‘What are we to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or, ‘What are we to wear?’ For all these are the things the nations are eagerly pursuing. Your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you." (Matthew 6:31-33)

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[Curtis]

The Second Coming of Christ...
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For almost two thousand years, faithful followers of Jesus Christ have been in anticipation of his Second Coming. We are living at extremely exciting times as our Preaching Work comes to its end! According to Bible Prophecy, an allotment of two days of 2,000 years would need to lapse before the Second Coming is revealed to unbelievers. (Hosea 6:2, 2 Peter 3:8) Oh!! If only the ungodly would stop being stubborn, pay attention, listen, and gain the wisdom of understanding to keep on living into Christ's Millennial Reign... "Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)

Even though the Second Coming will be Invisible to the human eye, only faithful followers will perceive when Jesus became King of God's Kingdom. One more 'timed event' or prophecy would be fulfilled prior to the destruction of the wicked. Satan and his earthly kingdoms are entering their final hour since 2015 spewing demonic propaganda that they brought peace and prosperity to the earth by transforming our world by 2030, and the majority of the earth's population will be more than willing to capitulate. "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

It's imperative to build your faith now because the trigger for the Great Tribulation is an outbreak of peace. When Satan's world promotes that they achieved peace and prosperity in 2030, people will no longer have to follow any rules. Aborting unborn infant lives will become a common place as in offering up children sacrifices to their gods. No need to work. No need to pray. Government is your god in providing your wants and needs. Then comes the enforcement, perhaps a door to door check by a government agency to see if you bent your knee and have proof of your card to buy and sell. As in the Last Days of Noah, there were hybrid humans. Could their be hybrid humans today? It's possible as the Last Days of Satan's Rulership comes to an end, he would possibly be looking for a way to build his army.

Learning these things now can help you prepare for the coming events. It will take faith, but there is hope! Start preparing your heart and mind and apply the counsel from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ: "No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches. “On this account I say to you: Stop being anxious about your lives as to what you will eat or what you will drink, or about your bodies as to what you will wear. Does not life mean more than food and the body than clothing? Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are?" (Matthew 6:24-26)

"So never be anxious and say, ‘What are we to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or, ‘What are we to wear?’ For all these are the things the nations are eagerly pursuing. Your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you." (Matthew 6:31-33)

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The second coming is visible to all.

In Acts 1 Jesus ascends bodily and visibly on a cloud from Mount Olive, and an angel says this same Jesus will return in like manner as you have SEEN Him leave:

Act 1:9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.

Act 1:10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,

Act 1:11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

He returns in the same visible way He ascended, on a cloud, seen by every eye:

Rev 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

And in Matthew 24 Jesus tells us that any Messiah who appears anywhere on the earth, is a phony Messiah, unless he is SEEN coming to earth out of the sky, like lightning:

Mat 24:23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.

Mat 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

Mat 24:25 See, I have told you beforehand.

Mat 24:26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The Second Coming of Christ...
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For almost two thousand years, faithful followers of Jesus Christ have been in anticipation of his Second Coming. We are living at extremely exciting times as our Preaching Work comes to its end! According to Bible Prophecy, an allotment of two days of 2,000 years would need to lapse before the Second Coming is revealed to unbelievers. (Hosea 6:2, 2 Peter 3:8) Oh!! If only the ungodly would stop being stubborn, pay attention, listen, and gain the wisdom of understanding to keep on living into Christ's Millennial Reign... "Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)

Even though the Second Coming will be Invisible to the human eye, only faithful followers will perceive when Jesus became King of God's Kingdom. One more 'timed event' or prophecy would be fulfilled prior to the destruction of the wicked. Satan and his earthly kingdoms are entering their final hour since 2015 spewing demonic propaganda that they brought peace and prosperity to the earth by transforming our world by 2030, and the majority of the earth's population will be more than willing to capitulate. "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

It's imperative to build your faith now because the trigger for the Great Tribulation is an outbreak of peace. When Satan's world promotes that they achieved peace and prosperity in 2030, people will no longer have to follow any rules. Aborting unborn infant lives will become a common place as in offering up children sacrifices to their gods. No need to work. No need to pray. Government is your god in providing your wants and needs. Then comes the enforcement, perhaps a door to door check by a government agency to see if you bent your knee and have proof of your card to buy and sell. As in the Last Days of Noah, there were hybrid humans. Could their be hybrid humans today? It's possible as the Last Days of Satan's Rulership comes to an end, he would possibly be looking for a way to build his army.

Learning these things now can help you prepare for the coming events. It will take faith, but there is hope! Start preparing your heart and mind and apply the counsel from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ: "No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches. “On this account I say to you: Stop being anxious about your lives as to what you will eat or what you will drink, or about your bodies as to what you will wear. Does not life mean more than food and the body than clothing? Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are?" (Matthew 6:24-26)

"So never be anxious and say, ‘What are we to eat?’ or, ‘What are we to drink?’ or, ‘What are we to wear?’ For all these are the things the nations are eagerly pursuing. Your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you." (Matthew 6:31-33)

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Although humans today can be demon possessed today, God in the judgment given at the flood no longer allows demons to be able to impregnate humans bro. So the obvious answer to hybrid humans, or nephilim is no.

 

[Curtis]

Although humans today can be demon possessed today, God in the judgment given at the flood no longer allows demons to be able to impregnate humans bro. So the obvious answer to hybrid humans, or nephilim is no.

Jesus never got that memo - He “ignorantly” cast demons out of people many times.

Shalom Aleichem

 

[marks]

Even though the Second Coming will be Invisible to the human eye, only faithful followers will perceive when Jesus became King of God's Kingdom.

Um . . .

Matthew 24:23-27 KJV
23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25) Behold, I have told you before.
26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Although humans today can be demon possessed today, God in the judgment given at the flood no longer allows demons to be able to impregnate humans bro. So the obvious answer to hybrid humans, or nephilim is no.

Genesis 6:1-4 KJV
1) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4) There were giants (nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:33 KJV
33) And there we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

I'm curious . . . is this sufficient to change your mind on this? That there were nephilim after the flood?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Jesus never got that memo - He “ignorantly” cast demons out of people many times.

Shalom Aleichem

I think you are talking about possession and he is talking about impregnation.

Much love!

 

[Curtis]

Although humans today can be demon possessed today, God in the judgment given at the flood no longer allows demons to be able to impregnate humans bro. So the obvious answer to hybrid humans, or nephilim is no.

I know why you said that, it’s because God chained the angels who left their first estate in hell, so they can’t sire more angelic hybrids - but it’s apparent that more angels did the same thing after the flood destroyed the nephilim, because of all the cities of giants that lived in the promised land when the Israelites took possession of it - the most obvious examples being the post-flood existence of Goliath and king Og.

Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus never got that memo - He “ignorantly” cast demons out of people many times.

Shalom Aleichem

Demon possession and materialized angels taking wives is quite different Curt.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Genesis 6:1-4 KJV
1) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4) There were giants (nephilim) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:33 KJV
33) And there we saw the giants (nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

I'm curious . . . is this sufficient to change your mind on this? That there were nephilim after the flood?

Much love!

The sons of Anak were not hybrid offspring of demons Marks. But they like Goliath were a large people, spurning those spies to give the negative report to us. On a side point, Jehovah was so angry over this, that it was the last straw, He was going to exterminate them, however at the request of Moses Jehovah did not do so, but also did not allow them to enter the promised land.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I know why you said that, it’s because God chained the angels who left their first estate in hell, so they can’t sire more angelic hybrids - but it’s apparent that more angels did the same thing after the flood destroyed the nephilim, because of all the cities of giants that lived in the promised land when the Israelites took possession of it - the most obvious examples being the post-flood existence of Goliath and king Og.

Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Yes sir, but Tartarus is not a place, rather a judgment sir. We do not think those giants were nephilim, hybrid offspring of demons Curt.

 

[marks]

The sons of Anak were not hybrid offspring of demons Marks. But they like Goliath were a large people, spurning those spies to give the negative report to us. On a side point, Jehovah was so angry over this, that it was the last straw, He was going to exterminate them, however at the request of Moses Jehovah did not do so, but also did not allow them to enter the promised land.

There were nephilim in the world after the flood. You had said there were not, I think. So then, no, seeing it in the Bible was not sufficient for you. This is the word used there, nephilim, the sons of Anak.

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

There were nephilim in the world after the flood. You had said there were not, I think. So then, no, seeing it in the Bible was not sufficient for you. This is the word used there, nephilim, the sons of Anak.

Much love!

The 10 of the 12 spies sent out to scout the land of milk and honey gave a false report. That means they lied and bore false witness. (Mark 10:19) The report the 10 spies gave was intended to terrorize and cause fear.

"And there we saw the Nephʹi·lim, the sons of Aʹnak, who are from the Nephʹi·lim, and in comparison we seemed like grasshoppers, both to us and to them." (Numbers 13:33)

What was to happen to those who gave the bad report? "The men whom Moses sent to spy out the land and who caused the whole assembly to murmur against him when they returned with a bad report about the land, yes, the men who brought back the bad report about the land will be struck down and die before Jehovah." (Numbers 14:36-37)

 

[marks]

The 10 of the 12 spies sent out to scout the land of milk and honey gave a false report. That means they lied and bore false witness. (Mark 10:19) The report the 10 spies gave was intended to terrorize and cause fear.

"And there we saw the Nephʹi·lim, the sons of Aʹnak, who are from the Nephʹi·lim, and in comparison we seemed like grasshoppers, both to us and to them." (Numbers 13:33)

What was to happen to those who gave the bad report? "The men whom Moses sent to spy out the land and who caused the whole assembly to murmur against him when they returned with a bad report about the land, yes, the men who brought back the bad report about the land will be struck down and die before Jehovah." (Numbers 14:36-37)

OK. Your assertion then is the the spies lied about the nephilim. This is correct? You are basing this on them having given a "false report", citing Mark 10:19. There is of course a difference between an "evil report" and a "false report". I don't recall something about there there, but let's go see . . .

Mark 10:19 KJV
19) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

OK. This is for emphasis then, not to add information . . .

So, I've been reviewing this. Was there a part that actually says they were lying? I'm not seeing that. Are you sure you aren't just assuming that?

Numbers 13:27-33 LITV
27) And they reported to him and said, We came to the land where you sent us, and indeed it is flowing with milk and honey; and this is its fruit.
28) But the people that live in the land are fierce, and the cities are walled up, very great. And also we have seen the children of Anak there.
29) Amalek lives in the land of the Negeb, and the Hittite, and the Jebusite, and the Amorite live in the hills. And the Canaanite is living by the sea, and beside the Jordan.
30) And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, We will certainly go up, and we will seize it, for we are well able to do it.
31) And the men who had gone up with him said, We are not able to go up against the people, for it is stronger than we.
32) And they sent out an evil report of the land which they had spied out to the sons of Israel, saying, The land into which we passed, to spy it out, is a land eating up the ones living in it. And all the people we saw in its midst were men of stature.
33) And we saw the giants there, the sons of Anak, of the giants. And we were in our own eyes as grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes.

An evil report, perhaps BECAUSE they knew is was true, that the giants were there, the ones mentioned in Genesis 6, there were nephilim in the land in those days, and afterward. One must ask, afterward when? Here. This passage. The Bible points ahead to it in Genesis, and answers it here.

It sounds to me that your argument is to say, No, they were lying. But without evidence.

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

OK. Your assertion then is the the spies lied about the nephilim. This is correct? You are basing this on them having given a "false report", citing Mark 10:19. There is of course a difference between an "evil report" and a "false report". I don't recall something about there there, but let's go see . . .

Mark 10:19 KJV
19) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

OK. This is for emphasis then, not to add information . . .

So, I've been reviewing this. Was there a part that actually says they were lying? I'm not seeing that. Are you sure you aren't just assuming that?

Numbers 13:27-33 LITV
27) And they reported to him and said, We came to the land where you sent us, and indeed it is flowing with milk and honey; and this is its fruit.
28) But the people that live in the land are fierce, and the cities are walled up, very great. And also we have seen the children of Anak there.
29) Amalek lives in the land of the Negeb, and the Hittite, and the Jebusite, and the Amorite live in the hills. And the Canaanite is living by the sea, and beside the Jordan.
30) And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, We will certainly go up, and we will seize it, for we are well able to do it.
31) And the men who had gone up with him said, We are not able to go up against the people, for it is stronger than we.
32) And they sent out an evil report of the land which they had spied out to the sons of Israel, saying, The land into which we passed, to spy it out, is a land eating up the ones living in it. And all the people we saw in its midst were men of stature.
33) And we saw the giants there, the sons of Anak, of the giants. And we were in our own eyes as grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes.

An evil report, perhaps BECAUSE they knew is was true, that the giants were there, the ones mentioned in Genesis 6, there were nephilim in the land in those days, and afterward. One must ask, afterward when? Here. This passage. The Bible points ahead to it in Genesis, and answers it here.

It sounds to me that your argument is to say, No, they were lying. But without evidence.

Much love!

The Fallout is in Numbers Chapter 14. It shows how the LIE in the evil report defrauded the assembly of Israel out of the Blessing of the Land of Milk and Honey for delaying by falsely claiming they were Nephilim. Rather, they would receive a curse because of the LIE (false report) which caused them to murmur and the want to go back to Egypt. They would not only die but die a death of destruction.... with the exception of the two faithful spies Joshua and Caleb.

"In this wilderness your corpses will fall, yes, the whole number of you from 20 years old and up who were registered, all of you who have murmured against me. None of you will enter into the land that I swore to have you reside in except Caʹleb the son of Je·phunʹneh and Joshua the son of Nun." (Numbers 14:29-30)

"According to the number of the days that you spied out the land, 40 days, a day for a year, a day for a year, you will answer for your errors 40 years, for you will know what it means to oppose me." (Numbers 14:34)

In regards to “In those days, as well as afterward, there were giants [Heb., nephi·limʹ] on the earth, who were born to the sons of the gods whenever they had intercourse with the daughters of men; these were the heroes [Heb., gib·bo·rimʹ] who were men of note in days of old.” (Gen 6:4)

Those days is speaking of the time before Noah and as well as afterward to when Noah existed in the Old World. The Flood was brought for what purpose? Now, to claim the nephilim somehow survived the old world that was destroyed would have the same outcome as the ones who were at one time Saved, but now destroyed in the wilderness for their lack of faith. Read (1 Corinthians 10:10) Once saved always saved. Not true, it's another false report.

 

[BroRando]

The second coming is visible to all.

In Acts 1 Jesus ascends bodily and visibly on a cloud from Mount Olive, and an angel says this same Jesus will return in like manner as you have SEEN Him leave:

Act 1:9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.

Act 1:10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,

Act 1:11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

He returns in the same visible way He ascended, on a cloud, seen by every eye:

Rev 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

And in Matthew 24 Jesus tells us that any Messiah who appears anywhere on the earth, is a phony Messiah, unless he is SEEN coming to earth out of the sky, like lightning:

Mat 24:23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.

Mat 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

Mat 24:25 See, I have told you beforehand.

Mat 24:26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Matthew Chapter 24 is an extremely long answer to his four disciples if his Second Coming was to be a physical and fleshly return. You would think Jesus would have summed up his Second Coming with something like, When I come every eye will see me. However, I must admit many of the scriptures you quoted are actually Strong Counsel given from Jesus Christ in what not to do in an expectation a Physical and Fleshy return.

• Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ Do Not believe it.
• So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ Do Not go out.
• If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ Do Not believe it.

Jesus Christ's return would not be fleshly but an invisible one, since he plainly gave his faithful followers Signs to look for, his return would come in three phases.

• The greek word parousía is translated “presence”
• The greek word epipháneia is translated “manifestation”
• The greek word apokálypsis is translated “revelation”

Jesus eloquently gave a plethora of Signs that made up a Composite Sign that would occur in marking when his second presence would occur. “Furthermore, when you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified. For these things must take place first, but the end will not occur immediately.”

• Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
• There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;
• and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.” (Luke 21:9-11)
• “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,
• and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14)

 

[Curtis]

• Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ Do Not believe it.
• So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ Do Not go out.
• If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ Do Not believe it.

So you are actually trying to cite that passage from Matthew 24, to claim it means Jesus won’t visibly and bodily return? Seriously?

Because the CONTEXT is Jesus warning that FALSE MESSIAHS will come, but that any messiah who is found anywhere on earth, without being seen COMING OUT OF THE EAST AS LIGHTNING, is a fake messiah!

Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


You deny His coming in Matthew is visible, YET HE SAYS HIS COMING IS VISIBLE!

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

In short, your claim is absolutely wrong, and easily disproven by the very scriptures you claim supports your assertion!

Jesus returns visibly and bodily, just as the angels in Luke and Acts said, just as He himself said.

Shalom

 

[Robert Gwin]

There were nephilim in the world after the flood. You had said there were not, I think. So then, no, seeing it in the Bible was not sufficient for you. This is the word used there, nephilim, the sons of Anak.

Much love!

Yes the word was used there, we submit in comparison to, not sons of demons. We are either correct in our interpretation or not. The word was used to indicate very large people in that instance, and in the preflood world in the same way, however with the added meaning of the offspring of those angels who forsook their proper dwelling place. Gen 6:2,3

 

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Yes the word was used there, we submit in comparison to, not sons of demons. We are either correct in our interpretation or not. The word was used to indicate very large people in that instance, and in the preflood world in the same way, however with the added meaning of the offspring of those angels who forsook their proper dwelling place. Gen 6:2,3

I see!

So then while it used the same word, it didn't mean the same thing.

This seems to be a standard answer in many debates.

"While it says THIS, it really means THAT."

Personally, I follow the rule of interpretation for accepting what the Bible says. But not all do that I know.

Much love!

 

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The Fallout is in Numbers Chapter 14. It shows how the LIE in the evil report defrauded the assembly of Israel out of the Blessing of the Land of Milk and Honey for delaying by falsely claiming they were Nephilim. Rather, they would receive a curse because of the LIE (false report) which caused them to murmur and the want to go back to Egypt. They would not only die but die a death of destruction.... with the exception of the two faithful spies Joshua and Caleb.

"In this wilderness your corpses will fall, yes, the whole number of you from 20 years old and up who were registered, all of you who have murmured against me. None of you will enter into the land that I swore to have you reside in except Caʹleb the son of Je·phunʹneh and Joshua the son of Nun." (Numbers 14:29-30)

"According to the number of the days that you spied out the land, 40 days, a day for a year, a day for a year, you will answer for your errors 40 years, for you will know what it means to oppose me." (Numbers 14:34)

In regards to “In those days, as well as afterward, there were giants [Heb., nephi·limʹ] on the earth, who were born to the sons of the gods whenever they had intercourse with the daughters of men; these were the heroes [Heb., gib·bo·rimʹ] who were men of note in days of old.” (Gen 6:4)

Those days is speaking of the time before Noah and as well as afterward to when Noah existed in the Old World. The Flood was brought for what purpose? Now, to claim the nephilim somehow survived the old world that was destroyed would have the same outcome as the ones who were at one time Saved, but now destroyed in the wilderness for their lack of faith. Read (1 Corinthians 10:10) Once saved always saved. Not true, it's another false report.

I'm sorry, I'm not really finding your answer here. Can you simplify this for me and show me the place that says they were lying? Because I can't find this.

Are you certain you aren't just adding in your own assumption, and going from there?

BTW . . . I'm not saying this . . . "Now, to claim the nephilim somehow survived the old world that was destroyed". I'm simply quoting the passage which says there were in the world then, and afterward.

This isn't just "big people", they had other words for that.

Much love!