The taken and the left

[PinSeeker]

Like with fervent heat...

Ah, wellllllll.... yes, buuuuuuuut.... <smile> Our God is a consuming fire.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Ah, wellllllll.... yes, buuuuuuuut.... <smile> Our God is a consuming fire.

Grace and peace to you.

Yeah, but He's not going to burn Himself up! ;)

 

[PinSeeker]

Yeah, but He's not going to burn Himself up! ;)

Can fire burn itself...? <chuckle>

Right, of course not, but nothing in all of creation is going to literally burn up, either. <smile> I think of the "fire," 1stCenturyLady ~ and I say we all should ~ in the sense of God purifying all of creation... making it new... as He says in Revelation 21:5.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I'm ready. It doesn't matter how Scripture is interpreted or plays out. But are you? You only see escape, and are counting on it. So are you preparing yourself that you may be wrong? It sure doesn't look like it. After all, Rev. 12:17 shows Christians here during the GT.

Shows they were briefly left behind.
Then martyred and in heaven.
They had to wash their dirty foolish virgin robes.
But since your faith is not with the bride, but the arrival of the AC, we are waiting at the same train station.
You await the evil one.
I await Jesus the groom.
You remind me of Peter." I will never deny you".
Did not play out well at all.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I see you believe in the second coming of Jesus. When will you be raised from the dead? Will Jesus destroy this earth?

Amen.
He is coming and vividly portrayed in Rev 19.
There are 2 resurrections.
The dead in Christ rise BEFORE the living.
You have the dead in Christ RISING AFTER THE LIVING HARVEST of rev 14;14....(which is during the trib.)
That makes what? 5 or 6 IMPOSSIBILITIES of a postrib rapture.
The bible rules.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yep! You're shaking in your boots. You're not prepared to loose your head and die for Christ. You'll probably take the mark for sure.

I always know that postribber hatred of bible hounds is crouching and ready to strike once the bible gets in the picture.

The hatred is in every single one of you.
Sad.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Actusally Scripture explained Scripture and it scared you to death!

When I showed you Jesus interpretation of the tares parable was opposite of your spin, it did concern me somewhat.

I am "afraid" your teachers have duped you.

Yes indeed.

Bible = thread killer.
Lol

 

[PinSeeker]

I'm ready. It doesn't matter how Scripture is interpreted or plays out. But are you? You only see escape, and are counting on it. So are you preparing yourself that you may be wrong? It sure doesn't look like it. After all, Rev. 12:17 shows Christians here during the GT.

Neither God nor Jesus ~ Who says, "in this world you will have tribulation" and "lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age" ~ ever promises to remove Christians from trouble, or tribulation, or trial, but to walk with them... us... through it, to deliver them/us. Over and over again. This is what Noah's flood shows us, this is what the Exodus shows us, and this is what the Gospels, the epistles, and John's Revelation shows us.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Shows they were briefly left behind.
Then martyred and in heaven.
They had to wash their dirty foolish virgin robes.

I read this and was going to give you a gold star as not many recognize the "dirty robes" as I have myself, and I was happy to see that you do too! You may have even learned that from me as I have already given by interpretation of Scripture many times on the forums.

But then you kept writing with not only immature fruit but wormy fruit and proved you will be left behind unless you grow more to be conformed into the image of Christ and his love. I read the rest of your numerous posts, and without a shred of evidence of what I know made wild conjectures.

I'm ready, and will be raptured if the rapture is pre-trib. I'm a Philedilphian, and my fruit is mature and I try to help the immature Christians who are full of themselves to ask themselves questions to choose God now, before it is too late. The other three church types must make a choice that they may not be ready for when they get left behind unprotected by God. They must prove their love is for God or just for themselves at which point they will take the mark and will burn in hell. If really for God they will prove themselves by willingly being martyred. Either way it would have been better to be a Philadelphian and obey Christ's last command now and grow up.

If the rapture does happen to be post-trib. I know I will be protected by God if I'm still alive and may even see all the end time traumas, secure in Jesus and alive and remain till I see Him face to face.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Neither God nor Jesus ~ Who says, "in this world you will have tribulation" and "lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age" ~ ever promises to remove Christians from trouble, or tribulation, or trial, but to walk with them... us... through it, to deliver them/us. Over and over again. This is what Noah's flood shows us, this is what the Exodus shows us, and this is what the Gospels, the epistles, and John's Revelation shows us.

Grace and peace to all.

All these promises are for the Philadelphian type Christian. But there are three other types that don't automatically receive the Philadelphian promises you spoke of. Thyatira is even warned if they don't stop giving homage to Jezebel with their idols and rosary to her they will go through great tribulation. Jesus said of Sardis to those at the beginning of the Reformation, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are DEAD." And the lukewarm Laodecians are naked and don't even have a robe to get dirty to wash in Christ's blood.

 

[PinSeeker]

I read this and was going to give you a gold star as not many recognize the "dirty robes" as I have myself, and I was happy to see that you do too! You may have even learned that from me as I have already given by interpretation of Scripture many times on the forums.

But then you kept writing with not only immature fruit but wormy fruit and proved you will be left behind unless you grow more to be conformed into the image of Christ and his love. I read the rest of your numerous posts, and without a shred of evidence of what I know made wild conjectures.

I'm ready, and will be raptured if the rapture is pre-trib. I'm a Philedilphian, and my fruit is mature and I try to help the immature Christians who are full of themselves to ask themselves questions to choose God now, before it is too late. The other three church types must make a choice that they may not be ready for when they get left behind unprotected by God. They must prove their love is for God or just for themselves at which point they will take the mark and will burn in hell. If really for God they will prove themselves by willingly being martyred. Either way it would have been better to be a Philadelphian and obey Christ's last command now and grow up.

If the rapture does happen to be post-trib. I know I will be protected by God if I'm still alive and may even see all the end time traumas, secure in Jesus and alive and remain till I see Him face to face.

1stCenturyLady, regarding Revelation 12 ~ specifically verses 13-17, this is what we should "see," along with John:

Having failed to destroy Christ (Revelation 12:4-5), the Dragon (Satan, of course) tries to destroy the people of Christ. He uses his mouth, representing his deceit (Revelation 12:15, 9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10). When deceit fails, he tries persecuting power (Revelation 12:17-13:10). The woman flies to the desert, an image that speaks of the powerful and supernatural care of God active on behalf of his people. No one is "left behind," but His people experience powerful protection even in circumstances where it may seem impossible that they would be delivered:

“For nothing is impossible with God” (Luke 1:37)​

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"Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life..." (Psalm 23).​

By speaking of the desert and the period of three and a half years, Revelation here expands on the earlier summary in verse 6. The protection applies to the entire inter-advent period, the period between Christ's first coming (His life, death, and resurrection) and His second coming (His return). The earth comes to the help of the woman. The very structure of God’s created world restricts and frustrates Satan’s plans. Since Satan cannot wipe out the church as a whole through his deceit, he tries another plan: to war against the rest of her offspring. Revelation 13:1-18 exposes the character of this war, indicating that it involves raising up earthly instruments of persecution. This is what Paul speaks to in Ephesians 6 when he exhorts us to:

"...be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God..."​

There is no "rapture" in the sense of what many think it to be. When Jesus comes, He will seize... "harpazo" ...what is His, once and for all, and... after the final Judgment, heaven will come down to us, and all will be made new, as I said. No one will be "left behind," but the wicked, the unrepentant, unbelievers, will depart, at Jesus's command, to... <shudder> Um, well, away from here, away from the One Who is life (Jesus, of course), away from the New Heaven and New Earth.

All these promises are for the Philadelphian type Christian.

Hmmmm, yeah, about that... <smile>

The seven churches addressed in the first few chapters of Revelation... As Christians, we can fall into all of those... categories... at any given time during this present age. So in all of these addresses, Christ speaks to us all. Revelation 1:4 is relevant, here, of course; John is addressing all seven churches at once. Christ shows care for the churches by addressing each one according to its needs, with encouragement, rebuke, exhortation, and promise. He shows detailed knowledge of their condition (“I know”). Each of the messages contain allusions to circumstances or traditions of the city, some of which we are doubtless still unaware of. At the same time, all the churches are caught up in a universal calling to faithfulness and endurance until the promises reach their fulfillment in the heavenly Jerusalem. Their struggles contrast with the peace and satisfaction pictured in Revelation 21:1-22:5. The exhortations are reinforced in all but one case (Laodicea) by an opening allusion to some element of the majestic vision of Revelation 1:12-20. The exhortations therefore have universal bearing. Moreover, the churches in view number exactly seven, the symbolic number of completeness. They stand for all the churches of that time and ours. In fact, the triumphs and failures and struggles of these churches are a kind of miniature catalogue of the sorts of things that we can expect to find in other churches throughout history. Yes, some interpreters have (erroneously) assigned the seven churches to seven successive ages of church history in order. But Revelation gives no warrant for this; according to God’s point of view, not all churches are equally healthy. Their faithfulness or laziness or complacency or tolerance of false doctrine are important to Him (of course), and make a difference both in how they should respond and how they are judged. We likewise need Christ-like discernment, illumined by the Spirit and by these examples, if we are to evaluate our own church situation accurately and respond faithfully.

Grace and peace to you.