The things I am concerned about as a believer now that Biden/Harris are the presumed elect.

[aspen]

Not to say there may not be exceptions, but I seriously don't believe we'd see anything even remotely resembling the violence from the left if it's declared for Trump.

If Biden is certified, I don't think we'll see much violence at all. But if Trump is certified I think we'll have nationwide rioting and looting and burning.

I'd love to be wrong, but look at history.

Much love!

Well, I know the difference between trumpeters rioting and dems - trumpster have a false/weak excuse - just look at their reasoning for blocking Obama from appointing Garland and their hypocrisy appointing a judge during this past election. Packing the court is justified, btw and you know McConnell would not waste time doing so if it was reversed

 

[Heart2Soul]

Here is something to ponder....very educational and worth listening to....it's a little over 7 minutes.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I am not trying to prophesy here. But God raises up rulers and sets them down according to His will. Trump did much good for America and allowed us follwers to worship in quiet and confidence.

But I am convinced we are a nation under divine judgment. We have had more light of the gospel than any other Gentile nation in hsitory and we have forsaken god as a nation for secularism and hedonism. I believe God will allow Biden to step upi for the purposes of finalizinf the judgments long past due for this once godly nation whose light hasd dimmed so greatly.

Judgment comes to the church first.....all nations.

 

[amigo de christo]

It seems like many Christian's faith is in Trump, not God.

That is super scary my friend . OUR FAITH , HOPE and TRUST must only be in GOD , In Christ .
And on that reminder , LET THE GLORIOUS LORD BE PRAISED .

 

[aspen]

It's just the political process. Both parties have appointed judges and justices during the ends of their terms. Presidents are elected for 4 years, and are responsible to represent the people who elected them for those full 4 years. So Trump would have been remiss to NOT nominate a judge for SCOTUS, and the Senate would be remiss to NOT hold hearings.

As a voter who voted for Pres. Trump, I specifically want him to install conservative justices whenever possible. It's something I specifically wanted him to do when I voted for him.

Now. If the senate is the other party, and able to block an appointment if that's what they think they should do, that's in representation of those people who put them into office, and I think they are responsible to do just that.

The ONLY reason Obama didn't was that the Senate was against him.

But again, that's all part of our political process. Why should we be asked to suspend that process so that someone can have their preference contrary to the current duly elected administration and congress?

Should Biden be certified as winning the election, and should the senate achieve a democratic majority, does anyone think that they wouldn't do the very same thing given the opportunity? And wouldn't they be responsible to those who elected them to do that very thing?

I read something the other day that since Biden signalled his intention to "pack the court" as a way to counter Trump's appointment, that this renders the act unconstitutional. According to this lawyer, you can reform the court, but not for partisan political purposes.

Much love!

it has actually never been apart of the political process until now. Well, I hope the gloves are off and Biden expands the court - a process that has happened before. Indeed, I want as many liberal, gender neutral, young judges as possible and for the new court to change the nature of how Supreme Court judges are nominated and to ruled against ever packing the court in the future - perhaps we could appoint Michael Moore after Obama is seated - No worries, I am sure Michael has watched a few episodes of Law and Order.

and as far as being constitutional or not, it appears doing the questionable thing first and asking forgiveness later seems to be the way it has been modeled by McConnell and Trump

 

[aspen]

You may be correct, there may be violence on the Right. However, we already know that the Left is violent. At least acknowledge that your party is willing to use violence to get their way.

antifa is an unorganized terrorist group - they are against all forms of government - they are violent. BLM has been destructive. All large groups of people protesting in the streets have the potential for violence. I am against violence from all groups

 

[amigo de christo]

Judgment comes to the church first.....all nations.

And come it surely will . But no matter what comes against the lambs , OUR GOD is with us .
Whether we suffer , lose all and are even killed , WE HAVE ALL HOPE . PRAISE the GLORIOUS KING .

 

[Heart2Soul]

And come it surely will . But no matter what comes against the lambs , OUR GOD is with us .
Whether we suffer , lose all and are even killed , WE HAVE ALL HOPE . PRAISE the GLORIOUS KING .

Amen....I need judgment on my heart...I know there are things there that need to be purged. He has revealed some deep hidden ones and I repented and was delivered and set free. I just know there is more. I can feel it...I just can't identify it. I ask Him to reveal it and He will in His timing I suppose.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen....I need judgment on my heart...I know there are things there that need to be purged. He has revealed some deep hidden ones and I repented and was delivered and set free. I just know there is more. I can feel it...I just can't identify it. I ask Him to reveal it and He will in His timing I suppose.

One thing also . Read the bible even more . Often things get revealed that way too . But YES , GOD will GROW our FAITH
in persecutions . And things need to be burned out of us . You are loved my friend . Let us be praying for one another .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen....I need judgment on my heart...I know there are things there that need to be purged. He has revealed some deep hidden ones and I repented and was delivered and set free. I just know there is more. I can feel it...I just can't identify it. I ask Him to reveal it and He will in His timing I suppose.

I have heard wonderful testimonies . When folks in iran , began going under persecutions .
They say things like they used to trust in money and possessions . BUT when GOD stripped them of all that
THEY GREW TO TRUST ONLY IN HIM . YEP . Persecutions and trials work to our Good , IF we take them paitently .

 

[Heart2Soul]

One thing also . Read the bible even more . Often things get revealed that way too . But YES , GOD will GROW our FAITH
in persecutions . And things need to be burned out of us . You are loved my friend . Let us be praying for one another .

Thank you, yes, amen pray for one another!

 

[amigo de christo]

Leap up and PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD . WORTHY OF ALL PRAISE and ALL THANKSGIVINGS .......HE IS .
PRAISE the Glorious LORD .

 

[quietthinker]

Maybe, but I see it as believers hoping that God will keep Trump as POTUS so that this nation may return to a shadow of its former godliness. It is a misplaced faith, but I believe a hope in God nonetheless.

Hmmmm, interesting!...'former godliness'.....I wonder how that is seen?.....the displacement of native peoples?......the enslavement of foreign peoples?......maybe there's something I missed?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Hmmmm, interesting!...'former godliness'.....I wonder how that is seen?.....the displacement of native peoples?......the enslavement of foreign peoples?......maybe there's something I missed?

The past mistakes made way for the changes in our Constitution and it was Christians who pursued these changes the most. What was then is not what is now.

 

[Seven of Nine]

Hmmmm, interesting!...'former godliness'.....I wonder how that is seen?.....the displacement of native peoples?......the enslavement of foreign peoples?......maybe there's something I missed?

My sentiments exactly. I was thinking the same thing as well. Displacement is a polite way to say the U.S. government forcibly took land away from the indigenous tribes either by violating treaties and forced removals (the Trail of Tears is an example) or by merciless slaughter, such as massacres like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee. Finally, I would like to re-post what I've said on this particular subject in an older thread.

We must honestly examine American history for what it really was and that includes nearly two centuries of racism, segregation, subjugation and discrimination against people of color. IMHO, it is unconscionable to deny this history in a concentrated effort to insist America was founded as a Christian nation when this country spent nearly two centuries denying POC human rights, civil rights, and equality to white people. It's as morally indefensible to me than the Manifest Destiny belief among many Christians, who invoke God's name in an effort to justify the inhumane atrocities and injustices that were committed against POC in this country. The United States of America is not a genuine Christian nation under God and it never has been. It is a nation that was founded upon infringed treaties with indigenous tribes and deep-rooted racism against people of color.

The United States of America was initially founded on the bigoted ideals that white people are racially superior to people of color. It is this belief that was sown into the very fabric of this nation and it manifested itself for nearly two centuries through legalized discrimination and segregation against POC. Despite the declaration that "all men are created equal..." the U.S. Constitution included the Three-Fifths Compromise. Despite the declarations of freedom, liberty and justice for all, the enslavement of black people was legal until the 13th Amendment was ratified by Congress in 1865. Black people, indigenous people, and other POC were denied equality until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. POC were denied suffrage until the Voting Rights Act of 1965. There were the Jim Crow Laws and "separate but equal" in public establishments. POC were not allowed to eat at the same counter with white people in a restaurant. POC were not allowed to use the same bathroom or water fountain with white people. A black person was legally required to give up their bus seat to a white person. Black children were forbidden to attend the same public school as white children until the National Guard was deployed in Little Rock to enforce the desegregation of schools in 1957. Interracial marriage was illegal until 1967 when the Supreme Court ruled that the laws outlawing interracial marriage were unconstitutional. That being said, I have yet to include all the injustice and atrocities that were committed against the indigenous tribes who were already living on the land where America now resides.

 

[kcnalp]

Yes, there is racism in America. And it works both ways. I have never been racist but BLM is trying to convince us that whites are the only racists. I am white and I have been severely mistreated by blacks, but you didn't hear me screaming RACISTS!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Judgment comes to the church first.....all nations.

Well the church has been under judgment for a while now. God is dividing believer from apostate. America once was a nation dedicated to teh glory of God but is no more, that is why the judgment of this nation is going to be fierce! We have had more light of teh gospel than any other gentil nation on the planet.

1. we have more C-19 cases than anyother nation
2. we have more deaths than any other nation
3. These are both in raw numbers and % of population
4. Our economy is in a depression and the worse is still yet to come

America has declined like the roman Empire did. But we did it on steroids and much faster speed.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hmmmm, interesting!...'former godliness'.....I wonder how that is seen?.....the displacement of native peoples?......the enslavement of foreign peoples?......maybe there's something I missed?

No one ever said America was perfect. The govt. has done much evil, but the peoples of America had a very strong godly heritage. The treatment of the indians was the worse.

We fought a war to end slavery
the internment of the Japanese was by a godless president.

Alex deTouqueville reamrked on how great America was in his book. He said it was not becuase of our political institutions or our business institutions but because the American people were good. He saw the godly heritage that was America!

Despite our lack of perfection, America rose more people out of poverty than any other nation.
For decades was the #1 nation to aid foreign nations in natural disasters or corrupt govts.
Led the world in innovation
Freed the world from the stranglehold of socialism both in WW2 and then in the cold war
rebuilt Europe after WW 2
Sent more missionaries around the world than any other missionaries.

More people try to illegally enter America than any other nation. Not only to escape corruption and poverty but because of the opportunity that AMerica once stood for.

Can you name any other world power in any time in history that can match the generosity of the American people?

 

[quietthinker]

No one ever said America was perfect. The govt. has done much evil, but the peoples of America had a very strong godly heritage. The treatment of the indians was the worse.

We fought a war to end slavery
the internment of the Japanese was by a godless president.

Alex deTouqueville reamrked on how great America was in his book. He said it was not becuase of our political institutions or our business institutions but because the American people were good. He saw the godly heritage that was America!

Despite our lack of perfection, America rose more people out of poverty than any other nation.
For decades was the #1 nation to aid foreign nations in natural disasters or corrupt govts.
Led the world in innovation
Freed the world from the stranglehold of socialism both in WW2 and then in the cold war
rebuilt Europe after WW 2
Sent more missionaries around the world than any other missionaries.

More people try to illegally enter America than any other nation. Not only to escape corruption and poverty but because of the opportunity that AMerica once stood for.

Can you name any other world power in any time in history that can match the generosity of the American people?

Babylon had Daniel, Egypt had Joseph and so on.... Systems it seems, no matter how honourable the intent of some, result in oppression. If there is any liberation it is to God working through individuals who deserves the glory.

 

[quietthinker]

America, the greatest country in the history of the world! Nevertheless, America has fallen from grace recently, from the 1960s forward. Mostly, in the past four years, America has changed. KKK has every right to exist, as does Luis Farakahn. But, recently, all Republicans are being spoken of like they are 100% racist and deserving of ostracism. The morals have changed in America and around the world; if you are not a supporter of Global Warming, then you are immoral, and if you don't support abortion, then you are immoral. Also, if you say anything against the LGBTQs, you are now an immoral person in the eyes of the world.

These changes do concern me as an American. However, these changes do not concern me as a Christian. This is not my world, nor is God the Lord of this world. These changes mean that Christians will have the opportunity to be persecuted for God's sake (something that has been missing from the lives of most Christians). We should rejoice that God has chosen American Christians to be attacked for their beliefs, persecution (if it is exacerbated) will provide us with greater treasures in Heaven. The wisdom of God is foolish to men.

Also, the immorality of America may signal that the tribulation is near, which means Jesus may be returning soon. Rejoice and be glad that God may be withdrawing His grace from America ("Resist not evil."). It means America is transforming into the Babylon of Revelations. Lucifer's reign may soon be coming to an end, even if it means that Christians will suffer greatly. Jesus suffered greatly before his crucifixion, and He suffered greatly on the cross. We, too, may have the opportunity to suffer greatly for Christ's sake. If America turns evil, we can only be happy that that great day is approaching.

I wonder if morality is measured by my preferences?