The Third Woe

[Trekson]

You admitted no prophecy about the second coming ever mentions the feast of trumpets so this theory of yours has zero biblical support while the last trump being the 7th trump is an exact match.

The feasts of Israel are prophecies in type. The four spring feast were fulfilled by Christ to the exact days they were celebrated concluding w/ Pentecost 50 days after the end of the feast of weeks. It would be unwise to not believe the three fall feasts won't be fulfilled by Christ, the exact same way and times.

 

[Douggg]

I would love to, how do we do that?

Go to one of his post. And on his screen name to the left, click on that. A window will open that gives information about him. In that window (right below the points number), it gives the option "ignore". Click on that.

I just put him on "ignore" myself.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The 42 months are during the GT
The 1290 days are during the GT
The time, times, half times are during the GT

A portion of the 1260 days is during the GT.

The GT will last 1335 days until Jesus returns

Right, technically 3.5 years is 1278 days. so it's an estimate. I'm just not an adherent to the 70th week ( which I think was already fulfilled). No Gap, just the angels literal, unbroken time frame for Christ's 1ST coming. God didn't change his mind because man did or didn't do something.

The seven months of burying Gog's army will be right at the start of the 7 years.

Many Jewish believers, who when they come to enlightenment ( after the Rapture during and up til the end of the GT - day 1335), will die. According to Romans 11, a remnant will be saved.
And it will come about in all the land,” Declares the Lord, “That two parts in it will be cut off and perish; But the third will be left in it. Zech. 13:8
That's millions of Jews who if saved before they die, will need to be buried after the GT so that they can be part of the 2nd resurrection.
We'll see.

 

[The Light]

3. Woe - The appearing of the Lord Jesus with His angelic army. (Rev. 11: 15 & 19 with 19: 11 - 21)

You are correct about the 3rd woe.

 

[The Light]

The bible tells us when the third woe is and that is found in Rev. 12:12. Satan coming down to earth, that's it, that ends the third woe, but that doesn't end the a/c's rule of terror upon the church and the remnant.

This is not correct. The 3rd woe is the coming of Jesus at Armageddon as @Marilyn C has said.

 

[The Light]

The feasts of Israel are prophecies in type. The four spring feast were fulfilled by Christ to the exact days they were celebrated concluding w/ Pentecost 50 days after the end of the feast of weeks. It would be unwise to not believe the three fall feasts won't be fulfilled by Christ, the exact same way and times.

The spring and summer feasts will not be fulfilled until the dead in Christ and the alive that remained are raptured.

 

[Douggg]

You are correct about the 3rd woe.

Jesus's return is at the end of the third woe. When Jesus will have Satan cast into the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1-3).

 

[The Light]

Jesus's return is at the end of the third woe. When Jesus will have Satan cast into the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1-3).

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Not correct. The third woe is Jesus returning for Armageddon. It is the Day of the Lord. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Satan. You dream up a lot of stuff that has no scriptural support.

For example. The third woe is not Satan's wrath. and the third woe does not "encompass" woe 5 and woe 6. You are just making this stuff up. You should trash all your charts and start over using scripture.

 

[Douggg]

Many Jewish believers, who when they come to enlightenment ( after the Rapture during and up til the end of the GT - day 1335), will die. According to Romans 11, a remnant will be saved.
And it will come about in all the land,” Declares the Lord, “That two parts in it will be cut off and perish; But the third will be left in it. Zech. 13:8
That's millions of Jews who if saved before they die, will need to be buried after the GT so that they can be part of the 2nd resurrection.
We'll see.

I don't disagree that sadly 2/3 of the Jews will die during the great tribulation.

But that is not what the 7 months of Ezekiel 39:11-12 is about. Those 7 months are Israel burying the dead of Gog's army (verse11).

 

[Douggg]

For example. The third woe is not Satan's wrath. and the third woe does not "encompass" woe 5 and woe 6. You are just making this stuff up. You should trash all your charts and start over using scripture.

Satan's wrath against the inhabiters of the earth is in Revelation 12:12. His remaining time will be the time/times/half time of Revelation 12:14.

That time/times/half time will span (encompass) the time when the first and second woes take place.

 

[Trekson]

This is not correct. The 3rd woe is the coming of Jesus at Armageddon as @Marilyn C has said.

That's not what the bible says. Rev, 12:12 identifies itself by connecting to the exact language of Rev. 8:13. It's the last time the word "woe" is mentioned. How could God have made it any clearer? Satan coming to earth is the biggest woe of them all and the cause of all evil from that point on! How can y'all not see that !!!!!!!!!

 

[Trekson]

The spring and summer feasts will not be fulfilled until the dead in Christ and the alive that remained are raptured.

The spring feasts are irrelevant because Christ was the firstfruit! Those two items are part of the first fall feast, the feast of trumpets.

 

[Douggg]

The spring feasts are irrelevant because Christ was the firstfruit! Those two items are part of the first fall feast, the feast of trumpets.

Hi Trekson, were you able to "ignore" Spiritual Israelite ?

 

[Mosheli]

The Three Woes.

Rev. 8:13 - " And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"

The first woe is completed by the 5th trump as found in Rev.9:12 - "One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter."
The second woe is completed by the 6th trump and after the Jerusalem earthquake that destroys a tenth of the city and kills 7000 Rev.11:13-14. - "The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

The third woe sounds at the 7th trump ( the last time a “woe” is mentioned in Revelation in the KJ ) and is found in Rev. 11:15 - Just after the 7th trump sounds there is a short interlude in the narrative. The 7th trump completes the wrath of the Lamb and the angels are speaking forward in faith about what will come when the wrath of God is completed. Rev. 12:12 tells us what the third woe is" Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

This third and final time a woe is mentioned is connected to the originating verse, Rev. 8:13 by the phrase, “woe to the inhabiters of the earth” (This is also the last time that phrase is used in the KJ). Since this is the case, shortly after this verse we find in Rev. 12:14 - "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

We also see in Rev. 13:5 that the Beast out of the Sea (the a/c) is given the equivalent time of 42 months.

As we all know the underlined times given means 3 1/2 yrs. So, here is the inescapable conclusion. At least the first six trumpet judgments must be concluded before the middle of the 70th week.

I've come up with another question and a possible, tentative alternative for my fellow futurists.
Who said that all the seals must be within the context of the 70th week? I've always believed they were but is there any scriptural "proof"?

Here's my tentative alternative. Could WW3 as shown in the 2nd seal begin the 70th week and could the a/c make a covenant based on that war that begins the week? The 1st seal doesn't imply that is when the covenant is signed. The a/c will need some time to earn his rep, so to speak and he comes conquering by deception, not war. Some event has to put him in the limelight for the folks in Rev. 13:4 to say what they do!
What do you guys think?

Re WW3 in your last block, wouldn't that be the 3rd woe (3 woes, 3 world wars)? (There is also a similarity of 3 woes with www world wide web? (Plus www in Hebrew is 666.))
In this scenario the 1st woe 1st world war, the 2nd woe is 2nd world war: Abaddon would be Hitler and scorpion-locusts Aryans and 5 months 5 years, and the Euphrates would be Atlantic. The 3rd woe 3rd world war? We would be between the 2nd and 3rd woes. The temple in Rev 11 hasn't been built yet. Though its just a possible scenario, I guess it doesn't really fit exactly.

 

[Douggg]

Re WW3 in your last block, wouldn't that be the 3rd woe (3 woes, 3 world wars)? (There is also a similarity of 3 woes with www world wide web? (Plus www in Hebrew is 666.))
In this scenario the 1st woe 1st world war, the 2nd woe is 2nd world war: Abaddon would be Hitler and scorpion-locusts Aryans and 5 months 5 years, and the Euphrates would be Atlantic. The 3rd woe 3rd world war? We would be between the 2nd and 3rd woes. The temple in Rev 11 hasn't been built yet. Though its just a possible scenario, I guess it doesn't really fit exactly.

None of the woes have taken place yet. What the woes will be is in Revelation 9 and Revelation 12.

In Revelation 9, the first woe is described as some flesh tormenting locust creatures, that will torment men (that don't have the seal of God, verse 4) for 5 months.

The second woe is described in Revelation 9:13-20 as a third of men killed by a huge army of 200,000,000.

The third woe is described in Revelation 12:12 as being Satan having great wrath after he is cast down to earth. His wrath will last for a time/times/half time in Revelation 12:14.

 

[The Light]

That's not what the bible says. Rev, 12:12 identifies itself by connecting to the exact language of Rev. 8:13. It's the last time the word "woe" is mentioned. How could God have made it any clearer? Satan coming to earth is the biggest woe of them all and the cause of all evil from that point on! How can y'all not see that !!!!!!!!!

Just because the WOE is mentioned DOES NOT mean that they are the same event.

Revelation 12 is saying woe to the inhaviters of the earth for the DEVIL is come down to you. The three woes that within the 7th seal wrath of God...trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are Gods wrath on an unbelieving world.

Revelation 12
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

You need to rethink this brother. Armageddon is happening at the 7th trumpets. It's God wrath and the Day of the Lord.

 

[The Light]

Re WW3 in your last block, wouldn't that be the 3rd woe (3 woes, 3 world wars)? (There is also a similarity of 3 woes with www world wide web? (Plus www in Hebrew is 666.))
In this scenario the 1st woe 1st world war, the 2nd woe is 2nd world war: Abaddon would be Hitler and scorpion-locusts Aryans and 5 months 5 years, and the Euphrates would be Atlantic. The 3rd woe 3rd world war? We would be between the 2nd and 3rd woes. The temple in Rev 11 hasn't been built yet. Though its just a possible scenario, I guess it doesn't really fit exactly.

World wars are not Gods wrath.

 

[The Light]

The spring feasts are irrelevant because Christ was the firstfruit!

Irrelevant? Christ fulfilled the Feast of Passover and and the Feast Fruits as He is first fruits of those that sleep. Pentecost will not be fulfilled until the harvest occurs

Those two items are part of the first fall feast, the feast of trumpets.

Negative. The fall Feast of Trumpets is for the Jews. Why do you think that there are 144,000 first fruits from 12 tribes. If there are first fruits, there will be a harvest.

 

[The Light]

The third woe is described in Revelation 12:12 as being Satan having great wrath after he is cast down to earth. His wrath will last for a time/times/half time in Revelation 12:14.

Not correct Douggg. The 3rd woe is the Day of the Lord when Christ comes with the armies of heaven to Armageddon

 

[Trekson]

Hi Trekson, were you able to "ignore" Spiritual Israelite ?

Yes, thank you!